Exodus Chapter 15 Discussion

  • GiGi - in Reply on Exodus 15:2

    Thanks. I did think of that after I posted my summary.
  • Suze - in Reply on Exodus 15:2
    Twelve wells and seventy trees , twelve apostles and the seventy disciples of Luke Ch 10 spring to mind , also Revelation Ch 21+22 . See for yourself and enjoy . May God bless you .
  • GiGi again on Exodus 15:2
    ... continued

    I wonder what it means for the water to be bitter or sweet? Here, Moses establishes some sort of statue and an ordinance, telling the people that they will not get diseases that the Egyptians had (either referring to the plagues, or disease that normally afflicted the land of Egypt) but only if they heed the voice and listen to commandments of the LORD and keep the statutes. It does not say what the statute and ordinance was that Moses introduced at that time. It is apparent that he is also talking of the giving of the Law that will come later. He must have had knowledge that the Law would be given later, even at this time. Moses calls the LORD: The LORD who heals.

    Next, they travel to Elim, a bountiful oasis with 12 wells and 70 trees. Here the LORD had led them to a place to pasture and water their flocks and abide safely for a while with an abundance of water. Where before, they had found no water and then the bitter water of Marah (with the miraculous change), this place has natural provision of water, shade, and space for the large group to rest, sleep, and have respite. It does not say how long they stayed at Elim. But they were not in danger of the Egyptians anymore and it appeared from any other group. This shows how merciful and benevolent God is, providing what is most needed for the people even though they grumbled and lost faith soon after the Red Sea deliverance.

    And so the Israelites are off on this wilderness journey that should only take a short number of weeks. But they still had much to learn about themselves, about Moses, and mostly about I AM WHO AM before getting to the promised land. It was important to value the LORD more than the land He promised them. The Israelites needed to learn this and so do we.
  • GiGi on Exodus 15:2
    This chapter shows the wonderful Victory Song Moses sand for the people extolling the LORD for delivering them through the Red Sea and destroying the Egyptians that followed in after the Israelites. The song not only praises the LORD, but recounts to God and the Israelites what God had done. This is a good example to us. When we face a situation where there seems to be no way out and the LORD makes a way in a miraculous way, she should stop and take the time on the "other side" to praise God and remind oneself and others what had just happened. This song is a new song, not one the Israelites had sung before. It was current and spoke to their present situation where they are now delivered. Before the crossing, God had told the Israelites that He would fight for them, and He did. The Israelites just needed to follow Moses through the sea on dry land. This took faith since the sea was divided into two extremely high walls on either side of the path. They had to trust that God would maintain the sea in that way until they ALL had made it to the other side.

    Moses also spoke prophetically in this song about the surrounding nations becoming fearful of them when these hear what God has done for the Israelites.

    Miriam took up the song with the women and led them in song and dance. She must have learned the song quickly or else under inspiration. This was a whole group response since the crossing event was experienced by every Israelite.

    After this celebration, the large group set out across the wilderness of Shur. Traveling for three days, they did not find any water along the way, and so the group grumbled to Moses about this. At Marah, there was water but to was too bitter to drink. Instead of bending a knee and seeking the Lord themselves, the Israelites complained. They had not learned yet that they could turn to God themselves and ask for what they needed. Moses placed a tree into the waters and miraculously the water became drinkable.
  • T Levis - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Thank you
  • Penny Mahlyn on Exodus 15
    Jehovah Rapha! The Lord that heals!
  • Richard H Priday on Exodus 15
    This chapter is mostly referring to a victory song; which Moses initiated and later Miriam continued with timbrel and dance (a sort of worship leader). This demonstrates that it is not just Psalms where music is indicated but it is here and in Deuteronomy as well. Of course within a few days murmuring already occurred after this event. The tree cast into the water in verse 25 is similar to the miracle in the book of Kings where Elijah made the poison of no effect from the gourd that was prepared; there were oats I believe tossed into it.

    Verse 26 could have a dual meaning; it could mean that all illnesses in general that prevailed in Egypt would not enter the camp of Israel if they are obedient; and/or that the plagues causing boils and other pestilences on man and beast would not occur. The fact was; that no one can effectively follow all of God's commandments; however that starts from the first part of the verse hearkening or listening to God's voice. And it alludes to the First Commandment; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart; soul; mind and strength. As we continue on in Exodus and further scriptures; it is obvious that total obedience wasn't something even attempted; only Joshua and Caleb from that generation even made it to the Promised land-but all the children who were considered doomed did make it. These pathetic behaviours made a journey which should have been weeks long last for 40 YEARS!!! Even then; conquering the land was only to be in stages and never was completed to this day. It will be someday; in the 1000 year reign of Christ. The Lord is faithful to accomplish His purposes no matter what.
  • David - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Thanks Fred. May the Lord attend to the prayers of the believers from this place, and we continue to praise and glorify His name.

    God bless you and yours.
  • Fred - in Reply on Exodus 15
    The same spirit that lives in believers, will go forth convicting those who live outside in sin, the sin that so easily besets us! The power of this same spirit that lives in man ,would go forth and conquering the Goliaths of the world. Conquering even their hearts and minds, that they might see the truth. Opening the eyes of the blind, coming to the knowledge that we must live, excepting who we are and the differences in us! Growing in the knowledge that comes from having confidence in the creator of all things, both here and now, into eternity! That men would be chosen to lead, to guide in all wisdom, looking for the grace we all so vitally need! So help me God! In Jesus name. Amen and amen!
  • David on Exodus 15
    Thank you Lord for your Word. In our present situation- Afghanistan, co-vid 19, economic woes, political, social unrest- we are going through you; You have given us an "Elim" to rest and recover in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    We are surrounded by "bitter waters", but the Lord Jesus sweetens our situation by giving us strength and courage to continue on and lean on You. Isaiah 40: 31

    Help us to have the wisdom and courage to call on you to bless our leadership and give protection to our people still in harms way. Blind the eyes of the Taliban, and open doors for our citizenship, allies, and our armed forces.

    May President Biden find salvation in Jesus and thereby have the mind of Christ and courage to lead. Thank you Lord for hearing our cries.
  • Rod - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Hi Bridget,

    When you read the whole chapter of Malachi 3, nowhere is the word Sabbath mentioned, it's talking about Jesus return and the fight of good against evil and the Lord's words doesn't change Malachi 3:2 "But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:"

    just some scripture to support that whether we practice our common faith on a Saturday or Sunday it really doesn't matter, but what does matter is that we repent and believe in the salvation of the cross and that Jesus died for all who believe.

    Mark 2:24-28 "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

    Colossians 2:13-19

    13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    15 having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

    19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
  • Efazzi - in Reply on Exodus 15
    The Sabbath was made for "MAN" .. Quit trying to put your religious bent into that. Just rest one day a week. Some people work on a Sat or Sunday. Is it good to do good on a Sabbath. Jesus answered that !

    People were instructed to let portions of there land rest on the 7th year. You have to ask yourself why ???? Thus the Sabbath is for us. To rest, to replenish. Etc.
  • Seth Graham - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Daniel 7:11 & Revelation 19:20 are one in the same report from two different points of view.
  • Marianne on Exodus 15
    In Daniel 7:11 it says that the beast is slain, his body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

    Rev 19:20 we know that the anti-Christ is grown into the lake of fire alive.

    Could you please explain this?

    Thank you
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Hi Bridget,

    Just to give a little reply to your comment. Do you believe we are still under the Old Covenant?

    If you believe we are to live by every word in the Bible, Old Testament also, this would mean to still be sacrificing animals for your sins? Or stoning people and putting them to death for certain things? Maybe circumcising of the foreskin of the flesh?

    Maybe you mean this is only about the Sabbath being on "saturday"? The Ten Commandments. I really see no problem with that. If people want to keep the "saturday" Sabbath great. Lots of unbelieving Jews, of Jesus Christ, do also. Who stay away from the New Testament.

    We are under a New Covenant. This does not mean throw away the Old Testament. There is still much wisdom in the Old Testament. Though if you ONLY read the Old Testament you will have a vail over you as in 2 Corinthians 3:11-16. I very much enjoy reading the Old Testament. Though having the Spirit of Christ to guide me I can feel what is good and still applicable and things that are done away with say in the laws in the Torah. As nine out of the Ten Commandments are in the New Testament and many of the Mitzvot laws are still moral and good. Though now we in Christ are to be led by the Spirit, by grace, not every word of the law. We have God's law on our hearts. Which in one word is Love. Turn from evil and do good. Psalms 37:27, 1 Peter 3:11.

    Let us stay focused on following Christ with a pure heart. Be Holy 1 Peter 1:16.

    Like I've sated in a post before. I strive to keep every day Holy not just one a week. Always retaining God in my thoughts and living for Him not myself. Romans 6:11-14.

    Just like you stated Trust God and He will not lead you astray. Proverbs 3:5-6.

    Praise God He hath sent us His Son as His free gift of Salvation. The only way to the Father is through the Son. Jesus Christ our Lord.

    God Bless and have a wonderful day.
  • Bridget Brinson - in Reply on Exodus 15
    I have been trying to reply to Michael but get this every time.

    This site can't be reached wwwkingjamesbibleonline.org took too long to respond.


    Checking the connection

    Checking the proxy and the firewall

    Running Windows Network Diagnostics


    I was a Sunday keeper once so I am familiar with all of these excuses.

    To cut to the chase I should ask that I be provided with one bible text that calls Sunday the Sabbath. Just 1.

    Really, it is a matter of one's relationship to Christ. God is so wise he anticipated all of these reasons not to do as he commanded (not suggested).

    John 14:15

    If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    1John 2:3

    And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    1 John 2:4

    He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    You see the Sabbath is one of the commandments.

    Lots of people call themselves Christian but they do not meet the above criteria. God knew it.


    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name...

    Matthew 4:4

    But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Does it say by the New Testament only??

    There is safety in sticking to what is written in God's word.

    Truth can bear examination my mother taught me.

    Remember that God is omniscient. We are not smarter than He is.

    Trust God he will not lead you astray. Forget your opinion or my opinion and lean not to your understanding,

    I am busy, in the mean time I will refer you to Amazing Facts by Doug Batchelor where these questions are addressed and TV station 3ABN.

    When I am available I will come back to this discussion but please accept above in the mean time.
  • David on Exodus 15
    When God told Noah to build an ark and it rained for 40 days and nights to flood the world, God made a rainbow to show Noah his promise not to flood the world again. My question is was that rainbow truly the first rainbow to ever be seen? If so, how is that possible when science can explain why there are rainbows? Did that science not exists at that time until God invented it?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Hi Bridget,

    There is no need to reply to this comment. As I would like you see your replies to brothers Michael and Earl's comments to your post.

    I just wanted to address your comment on "no wonder the world is in mass confusion". I will just say that it is not, in my insight, just because people are not keeping "Saturday" Sabbath days. Which as Earl stated would be a lot of stuff we are no longer commanded to do anymore. To me the world falling into the state we're in, and I don't see it getting better, is mainly of how ungodly people have become. Which is a lot of stuff that I'm not going to try to fit in this post.

    Which is just a very simple statement from me. Only God knows everything about everything. Keep your faith and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. As you stated Malachi 3:6 in that God doesn't change. Like Hebrews 13:8.

    God Bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 15:15
    Moab at that time was located on the east of the Dead Sea. Moab was the son of the illicit union of Lot & his eldest daughter ( Genesis 19:30-38). The Moabites, as with the others inhabiting the land of Canaan, were those that Israel would eventually have to war with, to conquer & capture their lands, as promised by God. So the Moabites were already known by Moses, & Moses with the children of Israel, sang this song ( Exodus 15) remembering their flight from the tyranny of Pharaoh & the future dread by the inhabitants in Canaan as the Lord their God went before them. So the reputation of the "mighty (strong, fierce) men of Moab" would have been known to Moses but they went on in their march towards the promised land, knowing the Lord was with them.
  • Michael - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Hello Bridget,

    Thank you for your comments.

    You quoted Exodus 20:10 to say that we must observe the sabbath. However, you quoted from the Old Testament given to the ancient nation of Israel. Could you provide me a verse from the New Testament which commands the Church to keep the Sabbath? If not, why not? Why would the Apostles never instruct or remind the Christian Church to keep the sabbath if it was that important?

    You also quoted Malachi 2:6 that God never changes. But, then why did God change the law of circumcision? The Old Testament said you must be circumcised - a commandment of God at Leviticus 12:3. But, in the New Testament, we are told that circumcision is not necessary. See Galatians 5:2. Also, why does Hebrews 7:12 say the the priesthood was changed? I thought you said that God never changes. In the Old Testament, the priesthood was Levitical but in the New Testament, the priesthood is according to the order of Mechizedek - another change of God. See Hebrews 7:11.

    The Apostle Paul, at Galatians 4:10, scolds the Galatians for keeping the Old Testament rituals. The brackets are mine.

    Galatians 4:10

    "Ye observe (sabbath) days, and (lunar) months, and (festivals) times, and (sabbatical) years."

    No wonder the Apostle Paul asks the question at:

    Galatians 4:21 "Tell me, ye that desire to be under the (Mosaic Old Testament) law, do ye not hear the law?"

    Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

    I welcome your comments, Bridget.

    Good day.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Bridget, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    You quoted thatwe must keep Exodus 20:10

    Do you keep:

    Leviticus 25:4

    Leviticus 23:11

    Leviticus 23:15

    Leviticus 23:16

    Leviticus 23:24

    Leviticus 23:32

    Leviticus 23:39

    Exodus 35:3

    Leviticus 16:29-32

    Numbers 28:10

    Exodus 31:14

    Numbers 28:9

    These are ALL SABBATHS
  • Bridget Brinson - in Reply on Exodus 15
    God, my Bible, says the seventh day is the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10.

    Saturday, or the seventh day in the weekly cycle, is the only day in all of scripture designated using the term Sabbath.

    Constantine did think he changed the Sabbath. Daniel 7:25 ... .and think to change times and laws. Because he thought doesn't mean he changed it. On March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest from labor, stating: All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun.

    In Malachi 3:6, God says I am God I change not. Did God change the Sabbath? You admit that Constantine changed the Sabbath or thinks he did because so many people follow his supposed change.

    Acts 5:29 in my bible says we ought to obey God rather than man, this includes Constantine, kings, presidents, emperors, popes, etc.

    God who is omniscient, gave the days numbers which are constant. Sabbath is the seventh day in over 100 languages.

    No wonder the world is in mass confusion. A four year old can count from one to seven. Its not rocket science. Look at your standard every day calendar, Start with the first day count seven.

    My prayer is that we all come to unity on God's word, Not on my or your opinion.

    I am praying that all will believe the wisest mind in the universe GOD, JESUS Christ, THE HOLY GHOST.

    Will be praying for you all.
  • Robert Aiken on Exodus 15:15
    Who were the mighty men of Moab?
  • When is Sabbath - in Reply on Exodus 15
    When religious leaders accused JESUS of breaking the Sabbath because his disciples plucked some grain and ate it as they walked through a field, he said: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath" ( Mark 2:27-28)

    Constantine (Roman) set Sabbath on Sunday.

    Jewish tradition, Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday, and is attended on Saturday.

    My advise: Google this and read all the opinions. My choice is what Jesus said above.
  • Dawn - in Reply on Exodus 15
    The sabbath falls according to the moon cycles (gods time)

    The moon cycles four times a month.

    Sometimes sabbath day is on Sunday, sometimes on Saturday, occasionally Friday
  • Bridget Brinson on Exodus 15
    Which day of the week does the BIBLE say is the Sabbath?
  • Different Bibles - in Reply on Exodus 15
    There's a way to see all versions at a glance: Google a scripture (chapter:verse) and hit search. Google will display that verse in all major versions of the Bible.

    Teenagers might enjoy the NIV or New King James Bible.

    The Living Bible is paraphrased so it's more like reading a story.

    Most serious students of the Bible prefer the King James Version because it has less diversion from the original languages.

    For studying try a KJV Reference Bible. I prefer those that have the reference notes in center of each page columns.

    This website has a super fast SEARCH BOX. Say like you want to look up all verses in the Bible about "CAUGHT UP IN THE CLOUDS", or as others say Rapture, the search engine will fetch all of those verses. You can pare down the list by clicking Old Testament or just the New Testament.

    You can sort the verses in Bible order

    If you want to read Commentary on your verse, touch or click the verse; it will highlight yellow. Scroll down till you see your Commentary.

    Hope this helps.
  • Sean - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Hello, I recently "graduated" to the kjv from the niv and it's like reading God's Word again for the first time! My question is basically from my wife who asked me, " so are the other versions wrong?" While I did my own research and found that there are omissions in other versions compared to the kjv, which I have found to be enlightening, I'm unable to come to up with an answer that would suffice. Any thoughts?
  • Steven - in Reply on Exodus 15
    Thank you so much for that information Chris. Answered my question.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 15
    The Scriptures tell us that this is what happened: Exodus 14:4-8 and Psalm 136:13-15.

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