Exodus Chapter 14 Discussion



 
  • GiGi on Exodus 14
    .....continued.

    The pillar kept the two peoples apart all night. God stood between His chosen and the enemy. He does this for us. He's "got our back", He is at our sides, and goes before us. He is above us covering us with His protection in every way. The next time I am in a fix I will remember what the Angel of the LORD and the pillar did here.

    That night, Moses stretched out his rod and hands over the sea. God brought forth and strong wind from the east that caused the sea to stack up on two sides, exposing a land bridge for them to walk across. The wind was extremely strong and the land became dry for them to walk on. So, no mucking through mud or going down to the depths, but over a land bridge conveniently created by God in the past to be used at this specific time. The water was like tall walls on either side of the Israelites. God made a way where there seemed to be no way!

    But there is more! In the early morning watch (2:00-6:00 a.m.) God looked out from the pillar and "troubled" the Egyptians, by making the wheels of their chariots fall off. The Egyptians were fearful, admitting the God of the Israelites fought for them. Ol' Zephon-god of the sea and storm was no match for YHWH! The Egyptians turned around to run back to the west shore from where they came. By now all of the Israelites had crossed onto the other shore. God told Moses to stretch out his hand over the sea once more so that the waters would return to its place and drown the Egyptians. The text says that the waters were returned to their normal depths from west to east, causing the Egyptians to flee right into it! Not east to west to push them back to the western shore, but from west to east to engulf them as they ran away from what God was doing with Moses.

    It does not say that Pharaoh tried to cross after the Egyptians. Most likely he commanded from the shore. Every Egyptian that pursued them into the sea were drowned. The Israelites saw their dead bodies as they were washed ashore. Yeah!
  • GiGi on Exodus 14
    ..., continued

    God told Moses that Pharoh's heart will be hardened once more and that he will come to pursue them in order to recapture them. But God says that He will gain honor over Pharaoh. Perhaps meaning that he will humble Pharaoh and glorify Himself to the Egyptians and the Israelites.

    Pharaoh commented, "Why did we let them go?" He was not wanting to lose these people as servants so he got in his chariot and many went with him plus 600 choice chariots with the top soldiers and captains. They overtook the Israelites in their camp by the sea, striking fear in the Israelites. They cried out to YHWH and they complained to Moses saying that it would be better to stay in Egypt as slaves than to die in the wilderness. They had very little faith in Moses or God. They even said that they had told Moses to leave them alone so they can serve their Egyptian masters when Moses first came for them.

    But despite their unbelief and fear, Moses stood up and boldy proclaimed that YHWH will save them so do not be afraid. He proclaimed that they will never see the Egyptians again after they experience what YHWH will do for them that day. And in an admonition he said, "The LORD will fight for you, so hold your peace. Up until now God had not told Moses how He would save the Israelites, but Moses knew that God would indeed save them.

    God now instructs Moses on how He will deliver the Israelites from the Egyptians. He tells Moses to stretch out his rod over the sea and divide it. God says that the Israelites will cross the sea on dry land, but the Egyptians' hearts will be hardened and pursue the Israelites through the divide. I guess the Egyptians did not consider that the God of the Israelites had made the sea divide for the Israelites, not for them.

    At this point the Angel of the LORD and the pillar moved from the front of the Israelites to the back, between them and the Egyptians. The pillar made it dark upon the Egyptians and light upon the Israelites.
  • GiGi on Exodus 14
    Baal Zephon is on an island in the Straits of Tiran. It is a mountain worship center for Baal Zephon-the god of sea and storms. Migdol is a mountain watchtower west of these straits where Egyptians scouted out the land below. Along the western shore of the Sinai peninsula is a wide sandy shoreline that was used as a highway.

    So, the archeological sites I googled think that Pi Hahiroth was between the Migdol tower and the Straits of Tiran (Southeast tip of Sinai peninsula). They think that Etham a plain was north of Pi Hahiroth that dead ended with mountains all around and to the shoreline. the only way out was to retrace their steps south. The Red Sea has 2 arms. The western arm is the Gulf of Suez and the eastern arm is the Gulf of Aqaba. The sea around the southern tip of the peninsula is also called the Red Sea. So, these two archeological sites came to the same conclusion about the location of these named places and the most plausible place for the Red Sea crossing.

    The Israelites traveled day and night, God knew what Pharaoh would be thinking. It seems that spies must have sent back word of the Israelites meeting up with a dead end at Etham.

    The Israelites had backtracked to the mouth of a bay at the southern tip of Mt. Sinai facing the island where Baal Zephon was. The other side of the strait was Midian. There is a natural raised land bridge at this strait crossing from one side to the other coastline. There are other theories about the route and location of this point. One could read up on it to see what has been researched on this topic.

    Pharaoh heard that the Israelites were hemmed in. He thought that they must have been traveling without knowledge of the land and so got in a place where he could overtake them.

    The Israelites did not know about this peninsula, but Moses did. More than that, God knew every hill, valley, stream, etc. He directed them with the pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night. When the pillar stopped, they camped.
  • GiGi on Exodus 14
    This amazing chapter in Exodus shows us the awesomeness of God's ability to turn nature upside down to deliver His people.

    In the first few verses, we are told how YHWH instructed Moses to take a certain path into the wilderness. Moses most likely knew this area well in his 40 years away from Egypt. But YHWH was not going to have Moses decide the route. Sometimes our own knowledge seems best to follow, but it is always best to follow the directions of God. I was reading on a couple Christian archeological sites concerning the most likely route taken by the Israelites when they left Goshen and where the ities mentioned may be located. This was interesting reading.

    Many of us learned the "traditional" route of the Israelites and location of Mt. Sinai at the southern end of the Sinai peninusla. Many of us were taught that the Israelites crossed the sea as the freshwater lakes of reed in the Suez canal area (where they or the Egyptians could have just gone around them) or at a place south of Goshen along the western shore of the Gulf of Suez.

    In Chapter 11:37 it says that they traveled from Raamses in the Egyptian Delta to Succoth (believed to be east of Raamses but still in Egypt. In Exodus 13:17 it says that they came to a pass and the LORD would not let them go north through Philistia as it was near. So it makes me wonder if there was some type of pass over the mountainous terrain between Egypt and Philistia. The Bible says that this route was the shorter route. But YHWH was taking the Israelites by a circuituous route for a reason. Ex. 13:18 says that YHWH instead lead them around by way of the wilderness of the Red Sea. journeying from Succoth to Etham. In Etham they camped at the edge of the wilderness. Perhaps they camped along the shoreline were there was a sandy route between the sea and the wilderness going north and south.

    So God knew what Pharaoh was going to think ahead of time. Knowing this already, He lead the Israelites to a dead end.
  • Richard H Priday on Exodus 14
    The consummation of all the promised events; to fulfill God's covenant promises made 430 years before this event finally came during the events of this chapter. The plagues and the final pursuit of the Egyptians is certainly similar to Armageddon after the plagues (bowl judgments in particular) where blasphemy towards God is demonstrated by those suffering on earth. We see waters turned to blood; hail; and a final push against the Lord and His people much like that in Psalm 2. There were statements made by Pharaoh about wishing to be blessed; admissions of sin and the like but clearly they were disingenuous at best; as the continuing narrative indicates. As to a question on his death; it is unclear here whether he was included among the "hosts" in verse 28; or whether Pharaoh stood by the shore and observed all this from his vantage point. There is also a theory that King Tut was no other than the last Pharaoh who met an untimely death. There is also the evidence of hailstone imprints on the pyramids in Egypt indicative of that plague occurring.

    The Lord; as in the time an angel destroyed 144,000 Syrians in one night would fight for His people. This basically also will happen with the cruel servitude in the last days; when the "Assyrian" mentioned in Isaiah will be eliminated who rules with cruelty. We need to consider how the fear of those Israelites who crossed over the Red Sea was temporal; and how soon after they rebelled. They already complained in verse 12 despite all the miracles God did for their benefit in Egypt. God had vested the authority in Moses to use the rod to proceed in verse 16 after he was perplexed himself in verse 15. His humility may have made him overly cautious; but kept him from assuming that he could go ahead with plans when unknown sin was in the camp and this probably was because of never forgetting the lesson from killing the Egyptian 40years previously.
  • Tim legarie - in Reply on Exodus 14
    God bless Angela If you ask the father to guide you through Jesus Christ he will there are many people who can help in the comment section if you have trouble in real time.Keep seeking,keep asking,keep recieving.God be with you on your journey.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Ask GOD ALMIGHTY to help you understand. James 1:5,

    John 3:15-16,

    If you've accepted Jesus CHRIST as you're savior, there is a promise : John 14:26, Psalms 32:8, Psalms 86:11,

    Keep persisting,

    Hopefully this is helpful.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hi Angela.

    I would like to encourage you to get a reading program if you haven't already, and trust in the Holyspirit to reveal his truths.

    Along with that J vernon mcgee has a great collection of commentary. Or you can find him and several others on Blueletterbible video and audio commentaries.

    There's guys on this site that would love to help if you have questions.

    Any route you take there's no substitution to reading and studying all 66 books.

    Don't begin with topical studies or historical studies, let the Holyspirit work in your studies as it has done in the Church over 2000 years.

    God bless.
  • Angela Mason on Exodus 14
    I do have a question Is there anyone available who can teach me the King James Version?
  • Messenger - in Reply on Exodus 14
    You are replying to a comment by "Pst. Onyi Egbu"

    Hello Onyi,

    If the verse doesn't say we don't know.

    however, what we do know is in Exodus 6 Moses

    told Jehovah God ( psalm 83:18) that he was circumcised in lips.

    Moses felt that his speech was cut off. you can think of someone with a stuttering

    defect. sometimes in old age people voice is choppy or weak. especially some more then others at the age of 100 years old or more.

    What the bible does tells us is that Moses was 120 years

    old when he died. Deuteronomy 31:2,14; Joshua 1:2
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 14
    According to Exodus 7:7, Moses was 80 years of age at this time. Therefore, assuming that the ensuing plagues upon Egypt followed each other in quick succession & they left Rameses soon after, then their journey into the wilderness saw them go first to Succoth, then to Etham & onto Baal Zephon ( Exodus 14:1). So, I would say that Moses was a little over 80 years of age by a few months. It's interesting that Pharaoh only now chose to pursue them, believing them to be trapped at the Red Sea. Maybe, the death & destruction in Egypt under God's Hand took them quite a while to recover & gather themselves together to go after the children of Israel, as we read that once again God "hardened Pharoah's heart" ( Exodus 14:8), which made him foolishly pursue God's chosen.
  • Pst. Onyi Egbu on Exodus 14
    How old was Moses then?
  • Thelma Denson on Exodus 14
    God got all power show it to Moses.to get the people out of Egypt.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Eric ,have you not thought that the pharo might have had an older brother ? Maybe his older brother had already died ? That would mean that he was not the 1st born male of his house and thats why he didnt die at that time .
  • Hollywood and REAL LIFE - in Reply on Exodus 14
    I actually enjoy what the Bible says about that time; over Hollywood's depiction.

    When I watched the passion of the Christ. I had to pray. I knew Jesus was whipped with cruel weapons, and boxed, had really long thorns driven into his skull. The stripped his clothing off. The blood on his back would've been congealed on the fabric.

    Mel Gibsons, The Passion of the Christ, is beyond most humans comprehension of unbridled violence. Someone once said that the crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified, had become a Demon.

    The Bible says Satan was a created archangel. 4th in line to Gods Throne, because he was a covering cherub. Lower angels were called, sons of God (little "s") All satan was intent on was killing the Son of God. That war is shown in the book of Revelation.

    So..that movie shows how strong Jesus is. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. There could be no other outcome: victory complete. Satan thought he could beat and kill Jesus. Genesis 3:15 should've alerted Satan that he would lose the war. What do you think? Pride blinded Satan back in Genesis.

    He will lose. He's going to inflate the Antichrist with so much poison, that millions of people will be murdered. We do need to pray daily for the Peace of Jerusalem; as Jesus requested. They are going to endure 3 1/2 years of inhuman treatment. Some people are going survive to the end of the Tribulation.

    I pray that our praise of Jesus would rise above what "we usually do". We have to understand that Satan (ex-archangel in charge of praise and worship) DOES NOT WANT US TO PRAISE JESUS.

    That's why politicians in the Nations capital are so dead set on making it illegal to sing inside of Church. Legislate that Churches cannot be too big. Want the Christians to wear masks anyway because of the air we expel.

    What about the VENOM they expel? We need to take a look at our Congress through new eyes.

    Truly we are seeing the final moments of mankind as we knew it; and the emergence of evil.
  • Eric Patrimonio on Exodus 14
    So the Pharaoh also died?? Just want to clarify that cos in the Movie Ten Commandments the Pharaoh live.
  • Lauren - in Reply on Exodus 14
    look up "I am the righeousness of God in Jesus Christ" in the KJV window, main page. All goodness and righteousness is is of Christ, never of our own goodness. Even the good things Paul did he counted as loss in order to gain the righteousness that was his through Jesus Christ...... Your past is wiped clean, in Him. As you believe, God looks upon you and sees his Son, not your failures. I have made countless mistakes in my life, and every time I was aware of it, the realization of God's mercy melted me, and made me fall in love with my Lord even more..... Blessings to you Aaron, I had to lose my entire family at one point, and I became willing for that if it needed to be, but it is all being restored in Him......
  • What is Christendom - in Reply on Exodus 14
    The word Christendom encompasses the Medieval and Renaissance idea of the central place of Christianity in the lives of nations, countries, states, and individuals. The definition of Christendom is a group of people or nations under a Christian set of morals and values.

    You'll just have to do some googling on that question, and a bit of digging. I think it's similar to a word we use now: Christianity.
  • Shonna H on Exodus 14
    What is the difference between Christendom and Christianity? How can I find more info about Christendom?
  • Ron - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Donna, In the KJV Bible, no scripture says Job's wife was killed. She tells him that he should curse God and die, this possibly showed her feelings of pity and concern for what has happened. The children were killed in one of the brother's house, not in Job's house. There are writings outside of the Bible telling Job had two wives and even gives their names whether true or not the KJV Bible does not tell us.

    God bless your work, Ron
  • Satan killed Jobs children with a storm - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Read the Book of Job, slower. Make notes, is what I do.

    Jobs first children were killed in a storm sent by Satan. He also influenced Jobs wife to tell Job to curse God and die. I believe Jobs wife met with the same death, as did Rebekah in the Genesis story when she planned for Jacob to receive the firstborn blessing. She ended up mumbling and then died later.

    This is a good example why we should never curse others.

    Jobs faith in God was strong despite all the things Satan threw at him. Well meaning "friends" that vexed his soul. A wife who cursed him.

    He was rewarded for his faith. His 2nd wife bore Job more children. His first wife's children had all been killed.

    All his possessions were multiplied.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Thank you Steven. To bring that to a personal level: when we are led of God's Spirit, the wrist watch, diary or calendar are both unnecessary & irrelevant. We may need those things for our day-to-day activities & to keep appointments, but in God's economy His Spirit gives us both timing & direction.

    "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God"; the Spirit will always lead us, as God's children, but do we always obey His leading? Can we ever step outside that leading & that Will for us & not grieve the Spirit by doing so? As Jesus always sought His Father's Will in everything ( John 5:30), He fulfilled God's Plan for Him & Israel to the very last minute. How often we wonder whether we're in the centre of God's Will & might even become despondent in our circumstances - rather, we ought to be sure that there's nothing hindering the Spirit's Words & Work in our lives & that our ears are always inclined towards Him, rather than to the voices around us.

    And yes, the Jews ought to have known from the Scriptures that the Messiah had come to them & by the many proofs Jesus had shown them. But that knowledge mixed with human perceptions compelled them to reject Jesus.

    They would have asked, 'How could the Messiah oppose or contradict the very Law He should have rather fully supported & expounded on? A breaker of the Sabbath? Allowing an adulterous woman to live? A forgiver of sins? How could He claim to be God's Son - God is One? Joseph was a descendant from David, & Jesus was not Joseph's son - Mary's lineage wasn't considered - Jesus didn't fulfil Messianic prophecy? Where is the liberator from the Roman oppression; instead we get a humble, self-sacrificing holy Man?'

    As the Word says, "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." ( John 12:40; Isaiah 6:10). BUT He became the Saviour to all who would believe.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Amen Chris.

    Everything was to be done at the appointed time. Jesus knew they would try to Make him king before the appointed time.

    John 6:15. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone. But when the time came he didn't only allow himself to be presented as king he arranged it.

    Luke 19:30-31. Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

    And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

    And then...

    Luke 19:37-40. And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, ""THE WHOLE MULTITUDE OF THE DISCIPLES"" began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

    saying Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

    And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

    And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

    Fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

    A time the Jews should have known from the many prophesies. And he met all the criteria

    Daniel even gave them a time.

    Daniel 9:25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem UNTO THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE SHALL BE SEVEN WEEKS, AND THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    But they couldn't perceive. Matthew 13:14.

    as Ron stated.

    And it seems they were held accountable in

    Luke 19:41-44.

    Goodmorning and God bless.
  • Carleton on Exodus 14
    Heard this thought today. Niceness is good but can be limited because it is often self protecting. To come closer in any kind of relationship, including with God we cannot come defended, we must come with our vulnerabilities exposed.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hi Chris ,i believe the Jews knew who Jesus was ,Mth ch 11 v2-5 ,there are lots of other verses to indicate they knew who he was ,the common people heard him gladly but the leaders didnt want to let go of their power and authority ,when Jesus is dying on the cross and he asks God to forgive them as they know not what they do ,i believe he is talking about the roman soldiers not the Jews .All things were done and accomplished exactly as God wanted them to be ,the only sign that the Jews kept asking for was the one thing Jesus wouldnt or couldnt yet do which was to restore the Kingdom to Israel ,that is yet to come ,thats what the leaders kept asking for even though Jesus did many awesome and beautiful things in their sight which they knew only God or the promised Messiah could have done .They wanted him to rid Israel of the romans and if he wasnt going to do that they werent interested in him .
  • Ron - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hey Don, if I may add to Chris and Jesse I hope you do not mind, everyone was looking for the Messiah to set up the kingdom then. Even the twelve apostles, no one knew he was going to be crucified even though Jesus told them several times, it was hidden from them, even Satan did not know the purpose of the crucifixion. When Jesus was resurrected the disciples still did not believe until Jesus appeared to them but they still asked Him if He was to set up the kingdom then. Acts 1:6 When they, therefore, were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    If Satan had known he would have stopped the crucifixion because that would have stopped the plan of Satan's demise. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. The reason was fulfilling prophecy. Mark.4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

    They were told the time when the Messiah would come in Daniel 9:25 but their time was up. and the old covenant was to be fulfilled and the new was not yet revealed. Jesus came the first time for the lost sheep of Israel and only the chosen by God was shown Jesus was the Messiah the Christ.

    All the others, Matthew 13: 14-16 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

    God bless, Ron
  • Jesse - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Yes Chris, and great thoughts indeed! I'm sure everything was all part of God's perfect plan and timing. It still amazes me how when Jesus rode into Jerusalem that the Jews still didn't know that He was their Messiah. Luke mentions the fact that when Jesus rode into Jerusalem and wept over Jerusalem, He told them that "If you had only known this your day, you would not have rejected me."

    So if somebody had a calendar going, they would have said "Hey, today is 173,880 day. Messiah is supposed to be here!" But they missed it, and Jesus rode into Jerusalem, the very day God had planned. Yes, we do have to wonder why Jesus couldn't have proved Himself to be their Messiah. We know He had the power to do so. Certain things just can't be answered I guess. Well, it's off to bed for me. Have a great evening (or day where you're at) my brother!
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hi Jesse. I do agree, as we see in Mark 1:41-45, that the people thronged Him & probably for the wrong reasons & this forced Jesus to withdraw from them & pursue the Father's Will in His Way & His Timing.

    I also see the oft used phrase, "My hour is not yet come" (as seen in John 2:1-5: Wedding at Cana; John 7:1-9: when urged to present Himself; John 7:25-30 & John 8:20: when about to be arrested). It seems that all Jesus' miracles, His talks, even the places He went to, were directed by His Father according to the Plan laid out for Him. The Plan being, that certain things had to happen (not sooner or later) for the duration of those 33 years He lived on Earth. Even though He was encouraged by His Mother, brethren & disciples to do more miracles or take advantage of the crowds that gathered, Jesus knew that the time appointed to Him would be violated by doing so & that all that was necessary for Him to do during those years were foreordained for a reason. And so He could finally exclaim: "that His hour had come" ( Mark 14:41, John 17:1) when He knew that His Work on Earth was nearing completion, culminating at the Cross.

    I wonder whether by making Himself more prominent or proving Himself as the Messiah in a greater more dynamic way, would have thwarted the Plan of God for His Life (from the cradle to the cross) and therefore would fail to bring on the full & proper results as the Father had ordained. Just a few thoughts to add to yours, Jesse.
  • Michael - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Genesis 5:4 "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:"

    According to this verse Adam begat multiple sons and daughters. Eventually, one of these daughters met up with Cain and married him.
  • Don - in Reply on Exodus 14
    That helps! Thank you!


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