Exodus Chapter 14 Discussion



 
  • Eric Patrimonio on Exodus 14
    So the Pharaoh also died?? Just want to clarify that cos in the Movie Ten Commandments the Pharaoh live.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Eric ,have you not thought that the pharo might have had an older brother ? Maybe his older brother had already died ? That would mean that he was not the 1st born male of his house and thats why he didnt die at that time .
  • Hollywood and REAL LIFE - in Reply on Exodus 14
    I actually enjoy what the Bible says about that time; over Hollywood's depiction.

    When I watched the passion of the Christ. I had to pray. I knew Jesus was whipped with cruel weapons, and boxed, had really long thorns driven into his skull. The stripped his clothing off. The blood on his back would've been congealed on the fabric.

    Mel Gibsons, The Passion of the Christ, is beyond most humans comprehension of unbridled violence. Someone once said that the crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified, had become a Demon.

    The Bible says Satan was a created archangel. 4th in line to Gods Throne, because he was a covering cherub. Lower angels were called, sons of God (little "s") All satan was intent on was killing the Son of God. That war is shown in the book of Revelation.

    So..that movie shows how strong Jesus is. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. There could be no other outcome: victory complete. Satan thought he could beat and kill Jesus. Genesis 3:15 should've alerted Satan that he would lose the war. What do you think? Pride blinded Satan back in Genesis.

    He will lose. He's going to inflate the Antichrist with so much poison, that millions of people will be murdered. We do need to pray daily for the Peace of Jerusalem; as Jesus requested. They are going to endure 3/2 years of inhuman treatment. Some people are going survive to the end of the Tribulation.

    I pray that our praise of Jesus would rise above what "we usually do". We have to understand that Satan (ex-archangel in charge of praise and worship) DOES NOT WANT US TO PRAISE JESUS.

    That's why politicians in the Nations capital are so dead set on making it illegal to sing inside of Church. Legislate that Churches cannot be too big. Want the Christians to wear masks anyway because of the air we expel.

    What about the VENOM they expel? We need to take a look at our Congress through new eyes.

    Truly we are seeing the final moments of mankind as we knew it; and the emergence of evil.
  • Shonna H on Exodus 14
    What is the difference between Christendom and Christianity? How can I find more info about Christendom?
  • What is Christendom - in Reply on Exodus 14
    The word Christendom encompasses the Medieval and Renaissance idea of the central place of Christianity in the lives of nations, countries, states, and individuals. The definition of Christendom is a group of people or nations under a Christian set of morals and values.

    You'll just have to do some googling on that question, and a bit of digging. I think it's similar to a word we use now: Christianity.
  • Ron - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Donna, In the KJV Bible, no scripture says Job's wife was killed. She tells him that he should curse God and die, this possibly showed her feelings of pity and concern for what has happened. The children were killed in one of the brother's house, not in Job's house. There are writings outside of the Bible telling Job had two wives and even gives their names whether true or not the KJV Bible does not tell us.

    God bless your work, Ron
  • Satan killed Jobs children with a storm - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Read the Book of Job, slower. Make notes, is what I do.

    Jobs first children were killed in a storm sent by Satan. He also influenced Jobs wife to tell Job to curse God and die. I believe Jobs wife met with the same death, as did Rebekah in the Genesis story when she planned for Jacob to receive the firstborn blessing. She ended up mumbling and then died later.

    This is a good example why we should never curse others.

    Jobs faith in God was strong despite all the things Satan threw at him. Well meaning "friends" that vexed his soul. A wife who cursed him.

    He was rewarded for his faith. His 2nd wife bore Job more children. His first wife's children had all been killed.

    All his possessions were multiplied.
  • Lauren - in Reply on Exodus 14
    look up "I am the righeousness of God in Jesus Christ" in the KJV window, main page. All goodness and righteousness is is of Christ, never of our own goodness. Even the good things Paul did he counted as loss in order to gain the righteousness that was his through Jesus Christ...... Your past is wiped clean, in Him. As you believe, God looks upon you and sees his Son, not your failures. I have made countless mistakes in my life, and every time I was aware of it, the realization of God's mercy melted me, and made me fall in love with my Lord even more..... Blessings to you Aaron, I had to lose my entire family at one point, and I became willing for that if it needed to be, but it is all being restored in Him......
  • Carleton on Exodus 14
    Heard this thought today. Niceness is good but can be limited because it is often self protecting. To come closer in any kind of relationship, including with God we cannot come defended, we must come with our vulnerabilities exposed.
  • Don on Exodus 14
    When Jesus healed people why didn't he want anyone to know?
  • Ron - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hey Don, if I may add to Chris and Jesse I hope you do not mind, everyone was looking for the Messiah to set up the kingdom then. Even the twelve apostles, no one knew he was going to be crucified even though Jesus told them several times, it was hidden from them, even Satan did not know the purpose of the crucifixion. When Jesus was resurrected the disciples still did not believe until Jesus appeared to them but they still asked Him if He was to set up the kingdom then. Acts 1:6 When they, therefore, were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    If Satan had known he would have stopped the crucifixion because that would have stopped the plan of Satan's demise. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. The reason was fulfilling prophecy. Mark.4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

    They were told the time when the Messiah would come in Daniel 9:25 but their time was up. and the old covenant was to be fulfilled and the new was not yet revealed. Jesus came the first time for the lost sheep of Israel and only the chosen by God was shown Jesus was the Messiah the Christ.

    All the others, Matthew 13: 14-16 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

    God bless, Ron
  • Don - in Reply on Exodus 14
    That helps! Thank you!
  • Jesse - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Don,

    We get some sort of hint of this in Mark 1:41-45. Jesus had just healed a leper. In Verse 44 he commanded the man to tell no one but to go and show himself to the priest. But what would be the reason for Jesus commanding him not to tell anyone else? And by the way, this leper who was just healed, in his excitement he began telling everyone, disregarding the command Jesus gave him.

    If you notice that throughout the gospels, whenever large crowds would start gathering around Jesus, He would depart from the crowd. You would think that the more the better, right? But Jesus avoided large crowds.

    Jesus performed many miracles. And because of the miracles, He was attracting large crowds. People weren't coming because they wanted to hear the message. They were coming to see the miracles. This is probably why Jesus would command this leper not to tell anyone that He just healed him. Jesus was never looking for fame. He was never trying to attract a crowd. He knew why the crowds were coming. He knew that they weren't coming to hear the message, but that they were coming to see the miracles.

    You see, the Lord didn't want an excitable crowd following Him. He didn't want people coming to Him for the wrong reasons, the wrong motives.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hi Jesse. I do agree, as we see in Mark 1:41-45, that the people thronged Him & probably for the wrong reasons & this forced Jesus to withdraw from them & pursue the Father's Will in His Way & His Timing.

    I also see the oft used phrase, "My hour is not yet come" (as seen in John 2:1-5: Wedding at Cana; John 7:1-9: when urged to present Himself; John 7:25-30 & John 8:20: when about to be arrested). It seems that all Jesus' miracles, His talks, even the places He went to, were directed by His Father according to the Plan laid out for Him. The Plan being, that certain things had to happen (not sooner or later) for the duration of those 33 years He lived on Earth. Even though He was encouraged by His Mother, brethren & disciples to do more miracles or take advantage of the crowds that gathered, Jesus knew that the time appointed to Him would be violated by doing so & that all that was necessary for Him to do during those years were foreordained for a reason. And so He could finally exclaim: "that His hour had come" (Mark 14:41, John 17:1) when He knew that His Work on Earth was nearing completion, culminating at the Cross.

    I wonder whether by making Himself more prominent or proving Himself as the Messiah in a greater more dynamic way, would have thwarted the Plan of God for His Life (from the cradle to the cross) and therefore would fail to bring on the full & proper results as the Father had ordained. Just a few thoughts to add to yours, Jesse.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Amen Chris.

    Everything was to be done at the appointed time. Jesus knew they would try to Make him king before the appointed time.

    John 6:15. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone. But when the time came he didn't only allow himself to be presented as king he arranged it.

    Luke 19:30-31. Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

    And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

    And then...

    Luke 19:37-40. And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, ""THE WHOLE MULTITUDE OF THE DISCIPLES"" began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

    saying Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

    And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

    And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

    Fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

    A time the Jews should have known from the many prophesies. And he met all the criteria

    Daniel even gave them a time.

    Daniel 9:25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem UNTO THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE SHALL BE SEVEN WEEKS, AND THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    But they couldn't perceive. Matthew 13:14.

    as Ron stated.

    And it seems they were held accountable in

    Luke 19:41-44.

    Goodmorning and God bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Thank you Steven. To bring that to a personal level: when we are led of God's Spirit, the wrist watch, diary or calendar are both unnecessary & irrelevant. We may need those things for our day-to-day activities & to keep appointments, but in God's economy His Spirit gives us both timing & direction.

    "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God"; the Spirit will always lead us, as God's children, but do we always obey His leading? Can we ever step outside that leading & that Will for us & not grieve the Spirit by doing so? As Jesus always sought His Father's Will in everything (John 5:30), He fulfilled God's Plan for Him & Israel to the very last minute. How often we wonder whether we're in the centre of God's Will & might even become despondent in our circumstances - rather, we ought to be sure that there's nothing hindering the Spirit's Words & Work in our lives & that our ears are always inclined towards Him, rather than to the voices around us.

    And yes, the Jews ought to have known from the Scriptures that the Messiah had come to them & by the many proofs Jesus had shown them. But that knowledge mixed with human perceptions compelled them to reject Jesus.

    They would have asked, 'How could the Messiah oppose or contradict the very Law He should have rather fully supported & expounded on? A breaker of the Sabbath? Allowing an adulterous woman to live? A forgiver of sins? How could He claim to be God's Son - God is One? Joseph was a descendant from David, & Jesus was not Joseph's son - Mary's lineage wasn't considered - Jesus didn't fulfil Messianic prophecy? Where is the liberator from the Roman oppression; instead we get a humble, self-sacrificing holy Man?'

    As the Word says, "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." (John 12:40; Isaiah 6:10). BUT He became the Saviour to all who would believe.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Hi Chris ,i believe the Jews knew who Jesus was ,Mth ch 11 v2-5 ,there are lots of other verses to indicate they knew who he was ,the common people heard him gladly but the leaders didnt want to let go of their power and authority ,when Jesus is dying on the cross and he asks God to forgive them as they know not what they do ,i believe he is talking about the roman soldiers not the Jews .All things were done and accomplished exactly as God wanted them to be ,the only sign that the Jews kept asking for was the one thing Jesus wouldnt or couldnt yet do which was to restore the Kingdom to Israel ,that is yet to come ,thats what the leaders kept asking for even though Jesus did many awesome and beautiful things in their sight which they knew only God or the promised Messiah could have done .They wanted him to rid Israel of the romans and if he wasnt going to do that they werent interested in him .
  • Jesse - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Yes Chris, and great thoughts indeed! I'm sure everything was all part of God's perfect plan and timing. It still amazes me how when Jesus rode into Jerusalem that the Jews still didn't know that He was their Messiah. Luke mentions the fact that when Jesus rode into Jerusalem and wept over Jerusalem, He told them that "If you had only known this your day, you would not have rejected me."

    So if somebody had a calendar going, they would have said "Hey, today is 173 day. Messiah is supposed to be here!" But they missed it, and Jesus rode into Jerusalem, the very day God had planned. Yes, we do have to wonder why Jesus couldn't have proved Himself to be their Messiah. We know He had the power to do so. Certain things just can't be answered I guess. Well, it's off to bed for me. Have a great evening (or day where you're at) my brother!
  • Eve baptiste on Exodus 14
    where did cane got his wife
  • Michael - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Genesis 5:4 "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:"

    According to this verse Adam begat multiple sons and daughters. Eventually, one of these daughters met up with Cain and married him.
  • Verses on Exodus 14
    Need an answer. Hosea 13:14 and 1 Corinthians 15:55. When will this happen and how will it be done? Who is I in Hosea?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Already done!

    1 Corinthians 1:55-57 can be taken together.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?



    The celebration: O death, where is your sting? This is a quote from Hosea 13:14, the victory song. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?



    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.



    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.



    So it's a Jewish victory song that Paul is pulling from the Old Testament, and he's saying that our struggle will be over at that time. It will be God who will give us the victory through Jesus Christ our Lord.



    Jesus defeated death. He rose from the dead. And because He lives, we shall live also. And that will happen because He lives inside of me. Wherever He goes, I am going to go. He's in my spirit. Wherever He goes, I'm going to go. Wherever He is, that's where I'm going to be. However long He lives is how long I'm going to live, and He never dies. He lives forever so I will live forever.



    Now if He is still in the grave, even if He died for your sins on the cross, there's no life hereafter if He's not risen from the grave, and you'll still die in your sins.
  • Verses - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Jesse, are you saying Jesus died for everyones sins and everyone lives because he lives.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Verses, (Don't know your name)

    Verse 15 tells us that the sting of death is sin. It is because of man's sin that everyone will physically die. Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is death. That death was not only physical death, but eternal separation from God. It finishes out by saying "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

    So now instead of death (eternal separation from God), through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, we can now have eternal life through Jesus Christ. But if Christ did not rise from the grave, neither would we, and we would still be lost in our sins.

    1 John 2:2 says "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

    Propitiation means satisfaction. But it is also the word for mercy seat in the Old Testament in the tabernacle area.

    The bible tells us that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, everybody's sins. But its application and its effectiveness are only for those who receive Him. When the whole world stands before Christ, the only thing they will answer for is how they responded to Christ. That's it! And some will die in their sins because they have rejected Christ.

    So all who receive Christ will live with Him for eternity (Eternal life). Those who reject Him will die in their sins and will be separated from Him throughout eternity.

    Hopefully, this makes more sense?
  • Verses - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Jesse, are you saying Jesus died for my sins; but my part in my salvation is that I have to accept him?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Exodus 14
    Verses,

    Yes, Jesus died not only for your sins but for the sins of the whole world, again given to us in 1 John 2:2. John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

    Even though Christ died for our sins, a person must still receive Him in order to be saved. I don't like to use the words "accept Christ" because to me, accept just means to mentally agree with what Jesus did for us. A person has to literally receive Jesus Christ.

    The entire salvation process is designed by God, from start to finish. Man plays no part in salvation other than surrendering their life to Jesus Christ. A person cannot save his/herself. The only thing we have to contribute to salvation is the sin from which we need to be saved from.

    I hope I'm not making this confusing for you? If I may ask you, have you received Christ? Have you confessed your sin to Him and called upon His name (Romans 10:13) for Him to have mercy on you and come into your life? Have you been born of His Spirit? (John 3:3, John 1:13, John 3:6)

    Surrendering one's life to Christ is the most important decision one will ever have to make!
  • Carleton on Exodus 14
    Brother Chris, Thank you for updating your testimony for us. My memory is less than wonderful and I have never gone back more than a few pages on this discussion to remember better, past discussions perhaps with you. I live below and within a mile of the dam that had issues in Northern California and was thereby interested in details. There was a man also from your city that also had lots of interests, I wonder if you might know him? Have a good day in the Lord.

    Carleton
  • Lee on Exodus 14
    Where did Pharaoh get all the horses for the chariots if all his animals died? "all the animals of Egypt died."
  • Isaias freitas on Exodus 14:25
    Did the Egypcians' dead Horses left a fortune in their bodies at the shore ?
  • Jeremiah on Exodus 14:21
    the book of jeremiah i love


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