Thanks again GiGi for that extra valuable information. And particularly useful for any young person or soon-to-be Mother reading this thread, to know 'natural is truly the best for Momma & Bubba'.
Thank you GiGi. It did cross my mind as I gave my answer to Carol, that because folk lived for a longer period of time (though certainly not as long as those in the pre-Flood era), that Moses might have been nursed till the ages you've given & remained with his Mother for that extra time. Since I wasn't sure of that, I just used our present-day data. And if Moses was of that age, then of course, he would have been able to grasp much better about his heritage & family line/connections. So, thanks for the clarification & I hope Carol will take your response as the more probable outcome."
Hello Carol. I believe that Moses learned that he was a Hebrew, being born from among the Israelites. As you know, he was only a babe, found in the bulrushes by Pharaoh's daughter, but was then, by the guidance of God, loaned back to his (Moses') mother to care for him. Then in Exodus 2:10 we read, "And the child grew, and she (Moses' Mother) brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water."
So the babe Moses was weaned by his natural Mother, who, like her husband, were from the tribe of Levi. As Moses came to an age when he was old enough for solid food (approx 6 months of age, or his Mother might have kept him for as long as she could, as a Mother would with her precious son), she might have whispered to him in simple terms of who he was & to whom he belonged. And as he grew in Pharoah's household, he would have learned further of his background & events leading to his position in the Egyptian royal family. But when Moses saw an Egyptian striking a Hebrew man, he automatically took the Hebrew's side. This shows how Moses still held onto his strong connection to God's people & resisted his Egyptian ties & religion.
You can download the KJV Bible (the App from the KJB Online Site) from the App Store (Apple) or Play Store (Android). I find it very useful on my phone when I don't have my heavy Bible with me.
In the bible times wine used to be mixed reducing the intoxicating effect and allowing users to have few glasses but as the years have pass bay. the drinks of today they are capable of getting you drunk with just one or even half a glass.
when people are drunk they tend not to be InControl and most of the times making stupid decisions the best word is sins, today people get up early and go drink drinking until night time.
lets look at few scripturas
isaiah 28:7
pleased for yourself and pray God to open your heart and mind for understanding.
As the bible says those who are drunk have erred out of the way and the visons and judgement has became corrupt
in in short they have stumble and sined
7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Proverbs 31:4-5
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
Hi Debra, this is a common question and there's already an FAQ for that: Link
My thinking is if Jesus's first miracle was turning water into alcoholic wine, then no, it's not a sin. But moderation, as in everything, is key. It doesn't mean its not playing with fire, especially for some people who struggle with self control or addiction. To me, if someone is drinking every day, especially to "self medicate" or numb emotional pain, that is an addiction and alcoholism. That's very unhealthy, is a false crutch, and only makes life worse.
To anyone who was told it was unfermented and had zero alcohol, John 2:9-10 disproves that. I was told that in church too, but later found out it was a lie just to support a certain narrative. The Bible is the truth.
Yes Brenni. There are only Ten Commandments given by God into the hand of Moses at Mt. Sinai. Exodus 34:27,28 confirms this number. There may be some who view the Ten Commandments in a different way, i.e. grouping of verses together, or separating them to form other commands, but if you look at Exodus 20:1-17, the Ten Commandments that we see here are listed in these ten verses: 3, 4, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
If your friend is seeing Fifteen Commandments, maybe he can share the verses, as I have done. You may find that he either includes other verses or adds some that are not listed there. In any case, he will have to give you his references to show the extra five.
Are there really 10 Commandments in the Bible? (I've been asked to prove this.) The rules are: I have to use an "unadulterated," KING JAMES VERSION. I have to find exactly 10.
This friend says that there are 15 (in Deuteronomy), but "10" do not exist anywhere.
I have been witnessing to this paper editor for years;
Carl It is natural mans nature to have someone to look up to but not God, histroy proves this constantly. When God
called people out i.e. Moses Joshua the judges the profits, the reason the people revered them because they said what
and what they did and spoke GOD BACKED UP. IT Was the miraculous that got their attention and even then when their needs were met they complained. Again natural man and even a lot of so called Christians. Most natural men don't care who gets in office or power as long as it works for their purpose. An interesting note why does a candidate spent 30 million dollars for an office that pays 250,000 a year, its not logical. Most people mentally buy what an individual is telling them again when it fits
with what they think right or wrong as long as they profit. The children of ISRAEL IS A TREMENDOUS EXAMPLE OF THIS.
2 ND COR. 4 : 4 .KJV ..In whom the god of this present world has blinded the minds of them that believe not....Lest the light of this glorious Gospel of Christ who is the image of God should shine in them....Satan is truly the god of this present world...
Our beautiful America has become another Sodom and Gomarrah....And our leaders love it so....They say we must be politically correct ....God have mercy on this nation and all the world.
......ALL the world is becoming another Sodom and Gomarrah....And satan is the father of it....As Jesus said that Satan is the Father of all lies...GB...Plead the BLOOD of Jesus on all your Children every day....His blood is that New COVENANT that we all have to drink...Spiritually speaking...GB
Hi Carl lemme give ya my slant on this world and All the evil that is in it....From the time of ADAM to this present time ....Satan has tried to destroy mans life with wars and such....But God always worked with a few folks like Abraham and Issac and Jacob and Joseph....But there was none righteous no not one....Simply b/c Satan is the GOD of this present world and has Blinded the eyes of our leaders....OF ALL NATIONS....Just look at Russsia and this horrible war that is going on there....not even going to mention the horrible unrest in the streets of AMERICA A CHRISTIAN NATION....SUPPOSEBLY.....Our leaders are possesed with the Devil.
......Satan is truly the God of this present world....Even at this present time we are all taken with the things of this world.
.......But the GOOD NEWS is Christ that 2 nd adam has died for ALL THE WORLD.....He paid the price for every body.
........Many times i think about the 6.5 million JEWS that died in Hitlers death Camps....Satan is truly the God of this present
WORLD.....In Adam we all die but in Christ Jesus we will ALL LIVE....There is a new COVENANT ON THE HORIZON WHICH
STATES " I WILL KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST) ...When that Book is opened in the Fathers right hand...
.....Any way Carl thank you for that post GBU in Jesus name.
Hello Carl. To your comment, "Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today."
Theoretically, yes. Practically, it is the leadership (government), however small numerically, who has the power & the resources to back it up. Generally, the populace hasn't got the will, stamina, or firepower to withstand a govt. At times, coups have been mounted, some successful, most others, not so. But for the preservation of life & family and lack of equivalent or greater ordnance, most would rather be subjected to despotic regimes or at best, attempt flight.
I don't think any nation has ever seen a righteous government, which upholds the Laws of God, abhors evil, metes out true justice & shows true compassion. Governments are as wicked as the people whom they're supposed to serve and I believe, will have a lot more to answer for in that day of reckoning.
As I research the Bible and learn to read for understanding there are some very interesting results I find. I have been seeking reasoning behind verse 8 that tell us that "a new king arose who knew not Joseph".
This seems preposterous on its face as Joseph was the reason Egypt had its great wealth and had been saved from destruction from the famine that would have wiped out most of the known world at the time. Save for Joseph.
If there was any viability to their historical record keeping, and it was fairly vast there would be no reason that any king or Pharaoh consecutively reigning would not have had a grasp on the historical record of their own country.
Then in verse 10 the administration is discussing the possibility of a national security dilemma with the "foreign nationals" having grown to such a large number. They call for them to be "got them up and out of the land". But they set task masters over them thereby not removing them from the land but retaining them for slave labor.
This account is telling to the psychology of our humanity and an excellent study on sociology.
This fact runs through most of history where a tyrant arises and the citizenry becomes docile and allow for the terrible actions of a few people that ruin the lives of millions. When the fact remains the amount of people that are being placed under subjection are easily more than the oppressor. Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today.
As I research the Bible and learn to read for understanding there are some very interesting results I find. I have been seeking reasoning behind verse 8 that tell us that "a new king arose who knew not Joseph".
This seems preposterous on its face as Joseph was the reason Egypt had its great wealth and had been saved from destruction from the drought that would have wiped out most of the known world at the time. Save for Joseph.
If there was any viability to there historical record keeping, and it was fairly vast there would be no reason that any king or Pharaoh consecutively reigning would not have had a grasp on the historical record of their own country.
Then in verse 10 the administration is discussing the possibility of a national security dilemma with the "foreign nationals" having grown to such a large number. They call for them to be "got them up and out of the land". But they set task masters over them thereby not removing them from the land but retaining them for slave labor.
This account is telling to the psychology of our humanity and an excellent study on sociology.
This fact runs through most of history where a tyrant arises and the citizenry becomes docile and allow for the terrible actions of a few people that ruin the lives of millions. When the fact remains the amount of people that are being placed under subjection are easily more than the oppressor. Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today.
Genesis 25:23-28, Genesis 32:1,24,25,26,27,28, Genesis 35:10, Genesis 46:2, Genesis 46:5, * Genesis 50:24, Exodus 1:1-5, * 1Kings 18:31, * Psalms 14:7, Psalms 105:10, interesting how this scripture is broken down like this 'And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,' 'and to Israel an everlasting covenant ' 2 Samuel 7:7,
They are descendents, of Jacob aka "Israel' the lineage of CHRIST Jesus, Matthew 1,
As I begin in Exodus, may the Lord bless my intake of His Word.
I find it wonderful that the Lord greatly increased the people of Israel while in Egypt. They went in as a clan and will leave as a nation. He preserved them over an above what would normally happen in times of slavery, hardship, and opposition. He most likely made the Egyptians turn on them and enslave them so that they would WANT to leave. In generations before they were enslaved, they had a privileged status because of Joseph. Now, a few hundred years later, they were now being despised, counted as suspicious and a thread to the Egyptian rulership. the Hyksos (a Semitic people) had already come into Egypt (after the Israelites) and overthrown the Egyptian rulers, ruling for some time. The Hyksos were eventually overcome and expelled from the Egyptian territory they occupied near the Israelites settlement in Goshen. So, it was probably reasonable for the Egyptians to think that the Israelites may join forces with the Hyksos and overtake Egypt, as had happened before. Killing of infants was probably a way to ensure reduce the population of any future generations, but still preserved the work force for the projects the government had the slaves perform.
It seems throughout the history of Abraham's people, there was a love/hate relationship with Egypt. Egypt spared Abraham's seed from famine on several occasions and in later times, the Israelites joined forces with the Egyptians to fight against invaders from the north (Selucids) and east. But other times, Egypt was aggressive towards Israel when Egypt wished to expand its rule into Palestine.
Now, if they are Hebrew (which they are), and if Moses knows this (which he does), then the math adds up, doesn't it?!
Thanks. But I realize that not every Mom breastfeeds their babies. So, I want to make it clear that I am not judging anyone for
choices in this area. That said, I do think that "natural' (as to cooperating with the nature God gave us) is usually better that
substituting something artificial or man-made in something as important as feeding our new babies. I just think that, as I look
at the bodies of women, some things are easy to discern as to what was God's intent in shaping us the way we are. I am just
one who wish to honor the way God made me and respect the process of childbirth and baby care as using my uterus and
breasts the way God has designed. Because I thought this way, I studied up on it before I even became pregnant with my first
baby. Funny, I even was a support person for my friend who had her first baby before me by a few years. We have been friends
for over 40 years.
Yet, each couple need to choose what God is leading them to do in this area. For me, the benefits to baby and to mom in
breastfeeding are so worth having. But most of all, we need to honor God with our bodies, respecting the way He designed our
bodies to work and endeavoring to live our lives in such a way to bring him glory. For many women, it is in breastfeeding. For
others it is not because their circumstances were very different than mine. I will always speak out for the value of breastfeeding,
but I will always be respectful towards each person's decision in this situation.
But the information of how Mom's fed their babies in ancient times and in many cultures untouched by modern society is
reliable. The sending of formula to third world countries for brand new moms have contributed to malnutrition in so many
babies and mom's. It would be better to send nutritious food for women throughout their pregnancies and the years they
breastfeed as it would reduce malnutrition in such communities in a much bigger way.
This is true of many non-westernized cultures where formula, bottles, baby food are not used. Often a new baby will be
born about the time the child is weaned at the ages mentioned. Many times a mother will continue to nurse the older child until
he/she weans. This was common practice. Babies were spaced about 2 years apart if the mother had normal fertility and would
not have long periods of months of menstruating between pregnancies. This is healthier than how we do things today. God's
design is better than what we have "progressed to today. Babies and toddlers get the best food/nutrients from momma's milk
and other foods gradually become a part of the child's normal meals. With scarcity of food or variety not guaranteed, the longer
the child consumes mother's milk the more nutrition he/she receives and thus the child is more healthy. Also, mothers would
end up having far fewer cycles of fertility than women do now and thus their bodies would not have as much flux of hormone
changes across time, which is healthier for the mother, especially for the prevention of breast cancer.
I acquired this information when I was planning our first child as I studied the subject so I could make the best choices for my
kiddos and avoid some of the common issues that inhibit breastfeeding success in our culture. We are lucky to live in a culture
where food is readily available to both mom and babies, but in other cultures in our world, food scarcity and reliance on formula
often lead to malnutrition for both mom and baby as mom does not get enough nutrients to sustain her during pregnancy and
babies do not get enough nutrition because formula is often watered down with unsanitary water to make it last longer.
So the babe Moses was weaned by his natural Mother, who, like her husband, were from the tribe of Levi. As Moses came to an age when he was old enough for solid food (approx 6 months of age, or his Mother might have kept him for as long as she could, as a Mother would with her precious son), she might have whispered to him in simple terms of who he was & to whom he belonged. And as he grew in Pharoah's household, he would have learned further of his background & events leading to his position in the Egyptian royal family. But when Moses saw an Egyptian striking a Hebrew man, he automatically took the Hebrew's side. This shows how Moses still held onto his strong connection to God's people & resisted his Egyptian ties & religion.
When did he find out?
Deuteronomy 28,
Hopefully these are helpful
when people are drunk they tend not to be InControl and most of the times making stupid decisions the best word is sins, today people get up early and go drink drinking until night time.
lets look at few scripturas
isaiah 28:7
pleased for yourself and pray God to open your heart and mind for understanding.
As the bible says those who are drunk have erred out of the way and the visons and judgement has became corrupt
in in short they have stumble and sined
7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Proverbs 31:4-5
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
My thinking is if Jesus's first miracle was turning water into alcoholic wine, then no, it's not a sin. But moderation, as in everything, is key. It doesn't mean its not playing with fire, especially for some people who struggle with self control or addiction. To me, if someone is drinking every day, especially to "self medicate" or numb emotional pain, that is an addiction and alcoholism. That's very unhealthy, is a false crutch, and only makes life worse.
To anyone who was told it was unfermented and had zero alcohol, John 2:9-10 disproves that. I was told that in church too, but later found out it was a lie just to support a certain narrative. The Bible is the truth.
God bless
I thank God for your all for sharing this bible link. I am blessed by this.
If your friend is seeing Fifteen Commandments, maybe he can share the verses, as I have done. You may find that he either includes other verses or adds some that are not listed there. In any case, he will have to give you his references to show the extra five.
This friend says that there are 15 (in Deuteronomy), but "10" do not exist anywhere.
I have been witnessing to this paper editor for years;
Anyone know? THX!
Brenni Veit
called people out i.e. Moses Joshua the judges the profits, the reason the people revered them because they said what
and what they did and spoke GOD BACKED UP. IT Was the miraculous that got their attention and even then when their needs were met they complained. Again natural man and even a lot of so called Christians. Most natural men don't care who gets in office or power as long as it works for their purpose. An interesting note why does a candidate spent 30 million dollars for an office that pays 250,000 a year, its not logical. Most people mentally buy what an individual is telling them again when it fits
with what they think right or wrong as long as they profit. The children of ISRAEL IS A TREMENDOUS EXAMPLE OF THIS.
Our beautiful America has become another Sodom and Gomarrah....And our leaders love it so....They say we must be politically correct ....God have mercy on this nation and all the world.
......ALL the world is becoming another Sodom and Gomarrah....And satan is the father of it....As Jesus said that Satan is the Father of all lies...GB...Plead the BLOOD of Jesus on all your Children every day....His blood is that New COVENANT that we all have to drink...Spiritually speaking...GB
......Satan is truly the God of this present world....Even at this present time we are all taken with the things of this world.
.......But the GOOD NEWS is Christ that 2 nd adam has died for ALL THE WORLD.....He paid the price for every body.
........Many times i think about the 6.5 million JEWS that died in Hitlers death Camps....Satan is truly the God of this present
WORLD.....In Adam we all die but in Christ Jesus we will ALL LIVE....There is a new COVENANT ON THE HORIZON WHICH
STATES " I WILL KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST) ...When that Book is opened in the Fathers right hand...
.....Any way Carl thank you for that post GBU in Jesus name.
Theoretically, yes. Practically, it is the leadership (government), however small numerically, who has the power & the resources to back it up. Generally, the populace hasn't got the will, stamina, or firepower to withstand a govt. At times, coups have been mounted, some successful, most others, not so. But for the preservation of life & family and lack of equivalent or greater ordnance, most would rather be subjected to despotic regimes or at best, attempt flight.
I don't think any nation has ever seen a righteous government, which upholds the Laws of God, abhors evil, metes out true justice & shows true compassion. Governments are as wicked as the people whom they're supposed to serve and I believe, will have a lot more to answer for in that day of reckoning.
This seems preposterous on its face as Joseph was the reason Egypt had its great wealth and had been saved from destruction from the famine that would have wiped out most of the known world at the time. Save for Joseph.
If there was any viability to their historical record keeping, and it was fairly vast there would be no reason that any king or Pharaoh consecutively reigning would not have had a grasp on the historical record of their own country.
Then in verse 10 the administration is discussing the possibility of a national security dilemma with the "foreign nationals" having grown to such a large number. They call for them to be "got them up and out of the land". But they set task masters over them thereby not removing them from the land but retaining them for slave labor.
This account is telling to the psychology of our humanity and an excellent study on sociology.
This fact runs through most of history where a tyrant arises and the citizenry becomes docile and allow for the terrible actions of a few people that ruin the lives of millions. When the fact remains the amount of people that are being placed under subjection are easily more than the oppressor. Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today.
This seems preposterous on its face as Joseph was the reason Egypt had its great wealth and had been saved from destruction from the drought that would have wiped out most of the known world at the time. Save for Joseph.
If there was any viability to there historical record keeping, and it was fairly vast there would be no reason that any king or Pharaoh consecutively reigning would not have had a grasp on the historical record of their own country.
Then in verse 10 the administration is discussing the possibility of a national security dilemma with the "foreign nationals" having grown to such a large number. They call for them to be "got them up and out of the land". But they set task masters over them thereby not removing them from the land but retaining them for slave labor.
This account is telling to the psychology of our humanity and an excellent study on sociology.
This fact runs through most of history where a tyrant arises and the citizenry becomes docile and allow for the terrible actions of a few people that ruin the lives of millions. When the fact remains the amount of people that are being placed under subjection are easily more than the oppressor. Sheer numbers warrant that no one should ever be able to contrive any form of oppression over a mass number of people. But yet it happens. Why? Because of no leadership? A very interesting thought and I continue to question why it is still happening today.
They are descendents, of Jacob aka "Israel' the lineage of CHRIST Jesus, Matthew 1,
Hopefully these are helpful
I find it wonderful that the Lord greatly increased the people of Israel while in Egypt. They went in as a clan and will leave as a nation. He preserved them over an above what would normally happen in times of slavery, hardship, and opposition. He most likely made the Egyptians turn on them and enslave them so that they would WANT to leave. In generations before they were enslaved, they had a privileged status because of Joseph. Now, a few hundred years later, they were now being despised, counted as suspicious and a thread to the Egyptian rulership. the Hyksos (a Semitic people) had already come into Egypt (after the Israelites) and overthrown the Egyptian rulers, ruling for some time. The Hyksos were eventually overcome and expelled from the Egyptian territory they occupied near the Israelites settlement in Goshen. So, it was probably reasonable for the Egyptians to think that the Israelites may join forces with the Hyksos and overtake Egypt, as had happened before. Killing of infants was probably a way to ensure reduce the population of any future generations, but still preserved the work force for the projects the government had the slaves perform.
It seems throughout the history of Abraham's people, there was a love/hate relationship with Egypt. Egypt spared Abraham's seed from famine on several occasions and in later times, the Israelites joined forces with the Egyptians to fight against invaders from the north (Selucids) and east. But other times, Egypt was aggressive towards Israel when Egypt wished to expand its rule into Palestine.