Ephesians Chapter 1 Discussion Page 6

B.Good. If verse 13 were to be interpreted that you cannot loose salvation after you have been sealed, all the warnings that Paul gives in first and second Timothy to believers would be false. We have to look at all verses dealing with subject to reach proper interpretations. Isaiah-28:13. There are many warnings to believers, about enduring to the end. We have a will that God will not take away.

B Good Read ST John 15:1 - 10
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my namesake: but he that endure the to the end shall be saved.

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." On God's part concerning us, all things are prepared and ready; now we must overcome as Jesus did.

B.Good; If we abide in Jesus and His Word abides in us; if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end; if we be doers of the Word, and not only hearers; WHEN we walk in truth, can we endure faithful to the end. 2 Peter 1 explains this with great power. As we have been granted an escape from the corruption in the world through lust WE MUST alongside this give all diligence!

Doesnt verse 13 prove that there is no way to lose salvation if you believed in Jesus atonement for our sin? No matter how great the sin, even if you believed then not believed later that the Holy Spirit is sealed up within you until the end? Or am I understanding this wrong?

Dee
Paul is speaking of those who are Christians. Not a denomination such as Baptist or Methodist.

michele 1 week ago ephesians 4;5-6 ONE LORD {ONE GOD}ONE FAITH {ONE WAY TO BELIEVE} ONE BAPTISM { ACTS 2;38} THE ONLY BAPTISM EVER DONE LITARALY IN THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT ONE GOD 1? AND FATHER OF ALL WHO IS ABOVE ALL AND THROUGH ALL AND IN YOU ALL. JESUS CHRIST THE OMNIPRESENT GOD MATH 28 19 SAYS IN THE NAME {SINGULAR} FATHER IS NOT A NAME SON NOT A NAME HOLY GHOST NOT A NAME please believe GBU

Paul the apostle was an example of no matter how much sin, our GOD is a forgiving GOD. By the grace of our GOD, we are saved, forgiven, and will live eternally with our FATHER, HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, and THE PRECIOUS HOLY SPIRIT.

Verse 16: Paul set a good example by mentioning the names of other in his prayers.

Which Church is he talking about?

GOD IS STILL IN CONTROLL IN ALL OUR WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND HE SHALT DIRECT OUR PATH WE CAN'T SERVE TWO GOD'S REPENT AND BELIEVE GOD AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR GOD HAS THE PLAN FOR OUR LIFE

Amen.

Frank; We are in a time of increasing darkness and trouble, because so many that have heard and known the word of God have despised and rejected it; and love instead their cares and pleasures in this life, than to be of the truth. This is the narrow way that Jesus spoke of, and the very reason most choose to stay on the broad way because they are ashamed or afraid or simply love their sins more.

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

The glories of heaven have been with man long befor he was create... god is not depended upon man... man receives all from the creators hand.

Blessed us... genuine believers. Do we believe this, or we merely exist, behave and conduct ourselves so mediocrity as to be outside of His blessing? In our day and time, I am certain it's the latter, not the former.

2 Timothy 2:19 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. I am a born again child of God, I know what lives inside of me, It's the Holy Spirit of God, but my flesh will still sin. That's why I read the Word to get cleanse. Ephesians 5:29

Saints May we open our eyes to the Grace of Jesus Christ wisdom and knowledge of his Great Salvatiom of his Gospel of truth. We are accepted in the beloved ,sealed by the Holy Spirit. Its a done deal Jesus is not coming back to deal with sin BUT TO BRING SALVATION KEEP LOOKING UP

Romans 15:16 16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. What Paul did back then was very dangerous, because of the higher up Jews did not believe in the Gentiles joining together with Christ. So Paul ministered to Gentiles and Peter ministered to Jews

According to some well meaning, but perhaps less than honest or maybe inexperienced fellow-Saints; by simply reciting verses and standing rigidly to a determined position, that somehow makes them having attained. But why then does the Lord solemnly warn us to Take heed, Watch and Pray always, Let no one deceive you? Because we need to attend to the things we have received with constant discipline.

"I am no different then Paul when I preach.." I knew a brother like that some years ago: he seemed to really think that because his name was Paul, that that was a sign from God that he was Paul. Eventually you have to get away from these kinds; they have listened to the devil, who told them, You are the ONE! Using Scriptures to smite his FELLOW-SERVANTS but not remembering the mercy he's received!

Mr. Kelly; since you seem to have no interest, but to keep telling EVERYONE ELSE that they need to quit sinning; it hardly makes sense to keep trying to reason with you. "Set them to judge who are least esteemed in the Church." Nearly every sectarian person (heretic) is full of Scriptures he uses to damn others; while being completely obtuse to the "weightier matters of the Law; mercy and faith."

Disciple: I am no different then Paul when I preach. 2nd Cor 11:6] But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

Disciple: get out of verse 8 in 1st John get into verse 9 confess your sin give it up. Verse 9 tells me is is just to forgive us "ALL Sins" all unrighteousness is sin. Verse 8 is where we see church stumble over. Put it in context. Verse 8 in 1st John does NOT say "if we say we have no sin which we commit everyday" John is writing to a people who want to have fellowship with him. 1st John 1:4.

You should not call yourself Evangelist, Mr. Kelly; because you don't really display any kind of an Evangelist's heart toward others, especially your brethren! The Lord and Master would never break a bruised reed or quench a smoking flax; Jesus always has compassion and SEEKS those who are of the truth. The only ones He was severe with were the hypocrites who made themselves hateful and hostile.

Mr. Kelly; A strong confession is a good start, in that it causes us to think about the words themselves. Its important to understand however; (and I only say for purpose of teaching); that we not be misled by a wrongly placed zeal. By that I mean, mimicking and parroting others who actually lived and experienced what they spoke. We should pray to really know the Lord like our heroes in the Bible.

Mr. Kelly; "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." I've had plenty of experience with certain who torqued down on the Scriptures to fit their understanding or favorite interpretation. But really the LORD is not fooled no matter how strongly we protest and demand that we know better; for He see into the innermost parts. Honesty and humility show our faith.

Disciple:My sins are washed, forgiven and forgotten. Our sin has to be washed NOT covered washed by the blood words of the bible John 15:3. Forgiven and forgotten. Hebrews 8:12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more." John 15:[3] Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

A disciple; walk in the spirit then, I got out of the flesh long ago. Galations 5:16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Mr. Kelly; If you live after the flesh, YOU SHALL DIE; but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live...for they that are after the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD! BUT YOU ARE NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT, IF SO BE THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST DWELLS IN YOU...if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His."NBeing saved from our sins must be a fact done!