8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10
It is by the Grace of God that we are saved, this is through faith in Jesus Christ alone, if not for the unmerited favour towards us all, faith would not have come to us. We were unable to believe before the Holy ghost revealed Christ to us, God choose us, he called us and elected us.
We did not know trust or even know the gospel of Christ. Yet we are gifted but undeserving, knowing We bring nothing to the table, and have nothing to offer; we all start from the same line, sinners.
That is what we are. Thereby we boost not in ourselves or the works and achievements we have or might attained, for we are His, so we boost in God, and all he has worked in us. He is the builder and authe, Knowing who we are, and all we would do, but yet he died for us, who betrayed him. This is grace, this is Gods love. Turn to him, believe and be saved.
Father we thank you today, that you have graced us with your Holy word, which is true and never failing. we thank you for your grace which you shower upon believers and unbelievers alike, we thank you for your mercy and forbearance towards our infirmities. Help us to do the good that you have prepared for us and to walk and live in them as it becomes our way of life.
"Why would the Bible call Mary the mother of God " The Virgin Mary" if she was a sinner and besides Jesus is free from sin so God his Father would not have chosen a sinner to give birth to a sinless Jesus."
Instead of taking scripture at face value like Psalm 51:5 it seems you prefer to believe your own assumptions. I suspect that you already know that fornication/adultery is sin, and that not all sin is fornication or adultery. So, its very possible for a sinner to a virgin- that describes most teenagers, of which Mary was one. Do you believe its possible for a sinner to not to a certain sin like fornication/adultery? If so then you would agree that a sinful person can be a virgin like Mary.
Now, for the second part of what you assumed:
"Jesus is free from sin so God his Father would not have chosen a sinner to give birth to a sinless Jesus."
How could you know what God the Father's thought process was? Do you have a scripture that says what you just said that He "would not have" chosen a sinner?
There is no scripture saying that. But there's plenty of scripture supporting the opposite.
Paul - killed Christians and had a "thorn" in his side, but chosen to spread the gospel and write much of the Bible.
Moses - murdered a guy and possibly a speech impediment, but chosen anyway by God.
David - had a guy killed so he could have an affair with his wife- pretty sick sinful stuff, but God used him anyway.
Remember how Jesus paid extra attention to the vile and "worst" sinners, like the prostitute, and tax collector, thief, lepers, etc.
It seems that God actually takes a liking to people who are imperfect sinners.
Have you ever read this verse?
"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2 Corinthians 12:9 KJV
This is such an encouraging verse in God's word! This world is oftentimes so discouraging and the work of the Lord can become quite heavy and feel as if there is no reward in it.
I am so thankful God reminds us here that our work for Him WILL be rewarded! He is surely a God that understands our infirmities and our struggles!
So thankful to be one of His chosen ones! Thankful that He knows ALL! Thank you, LORD, for loving us so kindly and reminding us that our labour is not in vain!
Hello once again Richard, In response to the person who was struck dead for touching the ark, we do not know his judgment.
I think as you do on this, but we could be wrong. I think that God executed capital punishment on some of the Israelites not so much because what they did was exceedingly evil, but to make the point that they must view Him as truly holy and be mindful of interacting with Him with reverence.
It reminds of what Jesus said about the people on which the tower of Siloam fell or the Galileans whose blood Pilate mingled with their sacrifices were worse sinners than others ( Luke 13:1-5) as He admonished those hearing Him to repent or they would likewise perish. Jesus spoke against the judgmental and self-righteous spirit of the Scribes and Pharisees who thought they were qualified to tell the degree of sinfulness of others due to their infirmities, malformations in their bodies and other imperfections.
They looked at the outside, but Jesus was concerned about the inward aspects of a person, calling them whitewashed sepulchers full of death even though these men thought that they were pure and holy because of their outward works.
The previous chapter was addressing skin contagions and the God-ordained process to deal with these infirmities and what a person is to do to be considered clean and thus able to join the congregation in the tent of meeting.
In this chapter God is addressing bodily issues. These are liquids that flow from private parts. The first part of the chapter speaks of a man having an infectious discharge. The middle part of the chapter speaks of a man emitting seminal fluid either involuntarily or during intercourse with his wife. The last part of the chapter speaks of the bleeding that happens when a woman does not become pregnant and thus sheds the uterine build up of the lining that builds up to receive a newly conceived implanted child. When conception does not happen, then menses follow. Also, it speaks to ta continued bleeding of a woman not related to a normal menses.
It is interesting how specific God is about determining cleanness of someone who will enter the tabernacle to worship Him. The infection is not in itself sinful. Neither seminal flow, nor intercourse, being normal relations between husband and wife by which they are fruitful and multiply as God commanded in Genesis 1. Neither is it sinful for a woman not to become pregnant and thus have her menses. The cycle of fertility is designed by God and good. So, I wonder why they are to offer a sin offering or burnt offering for things that are not in themselves sinful? I understand how they should bathe and wash clothing and for others to avoid touching them for hygienic reasons, but God is speaking more than about hygiene or disease control.
I think that God has these laws concerning normal bodily functions that are not sinful to remind the Israelites and us that we are fallen creatures even when we are not directly sinning. We are sinful through and through due to the fall of Adam and Eve. This is why we do not enter heaven in our this life's body...continued
I was just thinking about Isaiah 53:5....He was wounded for out Trangressions. And Bruised for our initiquites:...And the Chastisment of our Pease was laid upon him....And by his stripes we are healed....And another place he was touched by the feelings of our Infirmities....If we are not touched by the feeling of ppls infirmities we are not of God....If we have no feelings for a sick and a dying world we are not of God as God is love...We should wana help folks that are in need....I'm talking about wanting to help ppl with a Passion that burns like a fire in our Hearts.
.....If there is one attribute or one Spirit that defines God its Love.....Love fulfills the whole law and the Prophets as Jesus said....To love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as our selves. If you can do this you are not far from the Kingdom of God...Jesus said.
If any man believe in me and the works that i do, these works shall he do and greater then these will he do.. John 14:12....B/c i go to the Father...impling the seed sowing mode is only by the FATHER when the book is opened that we might all get a seed that we might birth Christ in us...The son of man....Resulting in a baby Christ being born in us....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you....The Babes and Sucklings that Jesus said cd Praise God with a perfect praise..outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected PRAISE... Matthew 21:15....Then we will do the works Jesus did and greater.
.....As God is spirit and them that worship him must worhip him in Spirit and truth....Which answer to the babes and sucklings....Our new innerman the H.G. The Children of Promise....our new hearts and new spirits....An Israel of God...Christ in us the hope of Glory.
Great replies from Chris, S Spencer, and Giannis. What comes to my mind, the scripture that agrees and tells me that when we come to the Father in a time of need, we have a mediator, a Priest who knows what we are feeling, one who has been there, one who knows what temptation feels like, one who knows the fear of death, but the only one who did it perfectly without sin.
Hebrew 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Jesus' prayer was answered, in Luke 22:43 just as He strengthens us when we are in need, facing things in our life we could not without Him, even if we are facing death, if we ask. I know times in my life He strengthened me and gave me the courage to endure, if not, I would not be here.
Thanks Grae, Very simple scripture to describe what Jesus was like here on earth. Just like we he needed the grace of God to do the will of the Father. The following verses also support your scripture. Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Thanks GiGi for the response. I agree with you and Chris in regard to Jesus not carrying the sin nature, but was tempted and could have sinned. The scripture Hebrews 4:15 "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" wouldn't have much relevance if He couldn't have sinned anyway. I appreciate the contrast between the old and new testament to relay the power available to the believer because he offered himself "without spot". Hebrews 9:13,14 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 2:7 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Thank you bro Richard for sharing that full & beautiful account of our Lord's Life & Ministry while on Earth. Even in his short time on Earth, He truly met many folk & touched many lives with His Life & Words.
As you've shared a great overview of this, one also notices that practically every aspect of life that we might face, has been the experience of Jesus & that He has given each person who has so suffered or being challenged, His full Attention & Help in their matters.
His holiness of Life & richness of His Words gives us today great comfort & joy, knowing that not only we can fully rely on His Guidance & Help, but that His human experiences with the people of His Day, with their sicknesses & sufferings, also reveal His Understanding & Compassion to us now who maybe so overcome.
As we read in Hebrews 2:18, "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted"; this must speak volumes to us of the LORD God coming into humanity, experiencing our struggles, so that we might be truly helped, not by "an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities", but by "a merciful & faithful high priest". No high priest of old could ever fill the shoes of our Great High Priest, eternal in the heavens, ever interceding for us.
And for you dear brother, that the Wisdom & Grace of our Lord be with you in your matters with your family & ministry aspirations. We remain in prayer that the way before you will be made abundantly clear.
Read these. Note these verses on the back page of your Bible. It's ok to write in it.
2 Corinthians 12:10
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Corinthians 13:9
For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Deuteronomy 31:6 - Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Comment: The only way to get strong is to rely on Jesus and the Bible. He is THE WORD OF GOD.
Mankind's knowledge can only go just so far. FAITH in Jesus can build you up on the inside.
It only works properly when you ask Him to come and be Your Savior. Read all of John chapter 3. When Jesus is talking about the wind, he is speaking of The indwelling of the Holy Spirit inside of you; in your heart. He teaches you what scripture means.
There is a link on the red entrance page BECOME A BELIEVER, that will walk you through the steps to Salvation, and Receiving the Holy Spirit. It helps you know what to expect.
It will grow your Faith. Jesus doesn't fail us. We__fail us. Everyone comes to the Lord the same way. We learn it by feeding on what we learn by reading the Bible, every day.
I used to read my Bible at lunch and eat the lunch I made. My body was nourished on the food; and my soul and spirit were fed by reading the Bible.
I promise that you'll get stronger every day. Think about attending church services. One that teaches Bible; not psychology. Come back here for fellowship, often.
No, it is not a sin to drink alcohol. We know that Paul advised Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach's sake.
1 Timothy 5:23 |
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
And we know that Jesus changed the water into wine at the feast of Cana.
Moderation is required when drinking alcohol. We all know what can happen when a person drinks too much alcohol. Paul instructs us to stay away from drunkards.
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
The serpent on the pole; which indeed with the medical institution represents healing and is also tied in with occult practice is on a surface level appearing to indeed represent this. It foreshadowed Christ; who was to become a curse for us (as anyone hung on a tree was considered accursed; and because He took on the wrath of God for our sake). It was also not established to worship the imagery; but to be looked upon. It could possibly be compared in some way to the Cherubim placed in the Temple; angels or any image was never to be worshipped; but it was a representation of the way angels faced God in heaven. It was also in a broad sense for anyone who was to look upon it; which is unlike a coveted object that individuals would be seduced with. It was not harboring anything that was pleasant to look upon and therefore it would seem the intent was to help people realize that their own hearts were also filled with abominations and vile things. It brings to mind somewhat the fatal wound (head wound) of the serpent mentioned in Gen. 3:15. Perhaps in some sense it reminds us that we have to be "crucified with Christ"-in any event; since He was said to take our infirmities on Himself as Isaiah predicted; that alleviated the plague at the time.
When Jesus told the Pharisees that the Harlots and the Whoremongers will go into the Kingdom of God b/f you...This is y i think in the end everybody is gona be saved...When he fed the multitudes he didn't want to lose not 1 crumb...He instructed his disciples to gather even the crumbs...Ya think if he didnt want to lose even 1 crumb that he wd lose 1 soul...I don't think so.
.....He died for everybody..He paid the Price for everybody, we are ALL bought with a Price his blood....Even the Harlots and the
......Whoremongers are precious in his eyes....Scriptures says even the Islands of the seas shall be converted unto me...Its not his will that any shall parish. 2 nd Peter 3 : 9 But that all should come to repentance....ALL should come to repentance.
.....If ya don't have a burden for a loss and a dying world you are not bornagain yet....We need to be TOUCHED with the infirmities of this world's pains and sorrows...It should be as a fire shup up in our bones as said Jeremiah....ok
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 - To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
1 Corinthians 6:12 - All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of [excesses of anything]
Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is EXCESS; but be filled with the Spirit;
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: [over consumption=poor health]
1 Timothy 4:2-5 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Philippians 4:5 - Let your MODERATION be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
1 Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. (This was a stomach remedy; not a reason to party.)
1 Timothy 3:8 - Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Comment: anger creates cortisol in the blood, and it kills people.
Almost everyone knows these things. The only way I've found to fight back, is to not even bring stuff into the house. God created everything to give us life and health.
I drink water until my brain sends the signal I am "full". It turns off that screaming. Try it.
Scribes Pharisees Sadducees Tried To Stop Jesus Too - in Reply
The Day of Pentecost AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven, visually.
About one hundred and twenty followers of Christ ( Acts 1:15) were present, including the Twelve Apostles (Matthias was Judas' replacement) ( Acts 1:13, 26), Jesus' mother Mary, other female disciples and his brothers ( Acts 1:14). JESUS had sisters. All filled with the Holy Spirit.
Women were also identified to be among the 120. Mary the mother of Jesus is mentioned by name. The wives of the apostles were there ( 1 Cor. 9:5 "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?"). Each of the wives was a devout believer in Christ. Part of the number of women would be those mentioned in Luke 8:1-3. "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance." See also Matt. 27:55-56; Luke 23:49,55. We would expect that the sisters of Jesus were also believers by this time, as His brothers had become. Jesus was much more inclusive of the women than were the scribes and PHARISEES. The women had accompanied Him as He went through every city and village. The very first person to announce the Risen Christ was Mary Magdalene ( John 20:11-18).
Mishael: taken from history recorded in Book of Acts; by the Disciples (Luke), and Jewish people. Paul had not been born again yet. After he was, he went to the wilderness to be taught by the Lord for 3 YEARS. Corinthians was not written down yet.
Women spread the Gospel too; house to house. Outside of the synagogues in their courtyards. That's what disciples do_spread the Good News. WORD of mouth, house to house.
praying in The HOLY GHOST; Jude v.20 = Both terms, "GHOST" and "SPIRIT", translate from the same Greek noun root (transliterated "pneuma"; pronounced "PNYOO-mah"), and derives the English element "pneumo-" referring to air, respiration, and the lungs.
GOD personally and intimately interacts with HIS people in the PERSON of The HOLY SPIRIT "Which is given unto us" ( Rom. 5:5), and "Which dwelleth in us" ( 2Tim. 1:14).
Praying "in The HOLY GHOST" (cp. Eph. 6:18) is just as required as praying to The FATHER in JESUS's NAME ( Jn. 14:6 & 13-14; Heb. 10:19; 1Tim. 2:5). Of note, both LORD JESUS CHRIST and The HOLY SPIRIT are the only AGENTS through which GOD The FATHER hears and attends to the saints' and the church's prayers ( Eph. 2:18):
"Through HIM (LORD JESUS CHRIST) we both (Paul and the Ephesian Church) have access {the privilege of approaching and gaining an audience} by one SPIRIT unto The FATHER."
Additionally, The SPIRIT aids our praying even during the most difficult situations ( Rom. 8:26):
"The SPIRIT also helpeth our infirmities (weakness; feebleness): for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but The SPIRIT itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
During these dire situations, The SPIRIT prays on the saint's behalf when the saint does not know what to pray for in a particular situation, nor how to verbally articulate the prayer.
Moreover, both LORD JESUS CHRIST ( Rom. 8:34; Heb. 7:25) and The HOLY SPIRIT ( Rom. 8:26-27) guarantee GOD The FATHER hears the saints' prayers through THEIR Intercessory Work.
Often, theologians describe The HOLY GHOST as the Third PERSON of the GODHEAD TRINITY. The reader must not assume this supposed "third" ranking attributes to HIM a lesser degree of status.
The expression, "The HOLY SPIRIT", identifies the Same DIVINE PERSON within the TRIUNE TRINITY of The GODHEAD which consists of The PERSONS of GOD The FATHER, GOD The SON LORD JESUS CHRIST, and GOD The HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT).
Dear "Donya", in peace, try to understand my not perfect words and gramma.
Don't you think there can be a difference? And hang on a cross next to the Lord Jesus? For in a situation like crucifixion i would think that everyone has reached a stage where they fear for their life, soul and Spirit. I am sure God saves those people whom He has ordained. Anyway, but here we are not talking about being found worthy. We are predetermined. Romans 9:18-19 It is only thanksgiving and humility that we should show to the Almighty God, and wish all the best for all. He who intercedes for all His. Romans 8:27-30
Therefore, when people are baptized, they receive a promise that the whole family will be saved. Acts 16:31-34 Is not it worth baptizing for? :) Got some word from
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
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For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Some say, in order to know our weakness of flesh (infirmities) He needed to be able to sin but to always choose against it, facing every temptation with a spirit, mind and will doing his Father's will.
Others say that, because of He was divinity in uncorrupted human flesh, He was not able to sin because no member of the Godhead is ever capable of sinning. And since the humanity and divinity of Jesus was a union that did not mix the two natures but existed in only one single Person, this union made Jesus unable to sin because in every act, thought, word of Jesus it was this unified nature that did these acts, thoughts, words. If Jesus did something in His human nature by this union, the divine nature did it also. If Jesus did something in His divine nature then His human nature did it, too, bcause of this union. When Jesus walked on water, His divine nature was performing the act, but Jesus the God/Man did the action without separating into two persons. When Jesus was hungry (strictly a human feeling and need) because of this union both God and Man hungered.
Still, some also say that God the Son emptied Himself of His divinity in the incarnation, (referring to Philippians 5:2-8 and therefore Jesus did everything as a human fully empowered by the Holy Spirit. In this view, Jesus was able to sin, being only human.
Personally, I do not believe this reasoning, because the whole of Scripture refutes it. Instead, I believe that the God the Son humbled himself by laying aside His glory and did not operate out of his divine powers outside of the will of God. Though He was equal to the Father and the Spirit, He chose to subordinate Himself to the Father, becoming the servant of the Father, but retained His full deity in the incarnation as well as being fully human.
For me, this is somewhat of a mystery. My first two views presented here are both plausible. I am not convinced on one over the other. The third view I wholly reject.
Very well put, Jesus was the second man and the last Adam, same as the first before the first disobeyed the commandment that God gave him, and his one sin brought the penalty of death upon mankind. Just like the first Adam, the last Adam (Jesus) was capable of sinning if He chose to but He did not. If Jesus came and lived in the flesh and was not capable of sinning as His Father, He could not have fulfilled the law and the first covenant, Hebrews 4:15
Then, how is He touched with the feelings of our infirmities, if He could never really sin?
You are highly blessed. I too have infirmities that are yet to be healed. I prayed hard and like Paul, we wait upon the Lord. Meantime we work as we can and share what we have. One day we will be made perfect. Just rest in His love. Trade begging to praises. These scriptures are how I cope.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
John 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
** Philippians 4:11
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever "state" I am, therewith to be content.
I did not want to join in on this subject, I have discussed it before, and this is just to suggest something you may look into. You said Jesus' nature as God He could not sin. To fulfill the covenant flesh had to live a perfect life without sin to fulfill and break the curse of sin. If Jesus was incapable of sin, He could not make reconciliation for the sins.
Hebrews 2:16-18 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
He faced and was tempted just like us, Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
He lived His life with the same temptations as we do and He overcame and did not sin, He could have but He did not give in. We have a high priest that knows what we are tempted with should motivate us and strength our faith our Savior Jesus did it and He can give us support to endure our walk. He knows what it is like!!!
God used the women to produce a child with a seed he implanted in her.
The women was of the line of David.
Matt 1:1 Both David and Abraham are mentioned here.
What do you think God is trying to tell you here.
Verse 1-17 deals with the lineage of Joseph. Yes Joseph is not the father of Jesus.
He is of the lineage of David and Abraham. God put this in for a reason.
The lineage of Mary is in Luke 3. Joseph father was Jacob Matt 1:16
Heli was Mary's father.
Where does this lineage go back to?
It ends with Adam and he is called the son of God.
Jesus is called the son of God as well as Adam.
Jesus had the same nature as you and I.
The difference is that he didn't give inti it.
He didn't sin.
If he couldn't sin then what is the sense of Heb 4
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Not only that but if he couldn't sin that means he didn't have the same nature as you and I.
That's a dangerous thought isn't it. Consider 1 John 4
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul is telling Timothy "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
The water in those days was very polluted and people were becoming diseased from it. And people in those days took a small amount of wine and mixed it with water. In those days, it was 9 parts water and 1 part wine. (Nothing like our wine today). Back then, it did not have the alcohol content, the fermentation as our alcoholic beverages do today. It took quite a while for you to drink, and that's why the wedding feast would last an entire week. It took a long while to get drunk! Today, a person can actually get drunk pretty quick on wine. But they took a little wine for their stomachs sake. It was for medicinal purposes because of how bad the water was.
And it's kind of interesting that if you notice how it's worded, it's a command, because Timothy doesn't want to go near this stuff. In fact, back in 1 Timothy 3:3, one of the characteristics of the overseer is that they're not given to wine. So Timothy is saying "I'm staying clear of that stuff." And so Paul has to command him, take a little wine for your stomachs sake, and for your often infirmities.
Obviously Timothy was a sick person, not in good health. And he was told to take a little wine for his stomachs sake. Paul just got through telling him to keep yourself pure, and so he has to mention this to him because Timothy is wrestling with this issue about keeping himself pure.
As far as if it's okay to have a glass of wine or not, something we need to take into consideration is Romans 14:23 where it says that which is not of faith is sin. Understanding that the word faith literally means persuasion, one must ask before indulging in a glass of wine if it is the Lord persuading them to do so? I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this is something we need to consider in all things. Whatever we are doing, is it under the Lord's persuasion?
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} prayers for infirmities - in Reply on Psalms 139
Precious friend, Gerry Shaver, I will pray for you; please Be Encouraged In The LORD JESUS CHRIST
2 Corinthians 12:9 God's Power Of ALL-Sufficient GRACE in our weaknesses and infirmities:
"PEACE With God," and knowing what good "tribulation worketh in us" Romans 5:1-5
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
The Spirit "helps our infirmities, And Prays For us" Romans 8:26
The Spirit "Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God" Romans 8:27
God Makes "all things Work Together For Good," for HIS Own Romans 8:28
We are "Predestinated To Be Conformed To The Image Of God's SON" Romans 8:29
God Helps us "bear our testings" 1 Corinthians 10:13
We have The Wonderful "Comfort Of God!" 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
"For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a Far More Exceeding and Eternal Weight of Glory" 2 Corinthians 4:17
God will "change our vile body" to be "like HIS Glorious Body!" Philippians 3:21
Amen?
Conclusion:
"For our infirmities/sufferings"? Should we not "follow Paul our 'pattern'" 1 Ti 1:16?:
"And HE Said Unto me, My GRACE Is Sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power of CHRIST may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST's Sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10
Amen? And Amen.
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10
It is by the Grace of God that we are saved, this is through faith in Jesus Christ alone, if not for the unmerited favour towards us all, faith would not have come to us. We were unable to believe before the Holy ghost revealed Christ to us, God choose us, he called us and elected us.
We did not know trust or even know the gospel of Christ. Yet we are gifted but undeserving, knowing We bring nothing to the table, and have nothing to offer; we all start from the same line, sinners.
That is what we are. Thereby we boost not in ourselves or the works and achievements we have or might attained, for we are His, so we boost in God, and all he has worked in us. He is the builder and authe, Knowing who we are, and all we would do, but yet he died for us, who betrayed him. This is grace, this is Gods love. Turn to him, believe and be saved.
Father we thank you today, that you have graced us with your Holy word, which is true and never failing. we thank you for your grace which you shower upon believers and unbelievers alike, we thank you for your mercy and forbearance towards our infirmities. Help us to do the good that you have prepared for us and to walk and live in them as it becomes our way of life.
You wrote:
"Why would the Bible call Mary the mother of God " The Virgin Mary" if she was a sinner and besides Jesus is free from sin so God his Father would not have chosen a sinner to give birth to a sinless Jesus."
Instead of taking scripture at face value like Psalm 51:5 it seems you prefer to believe your own assumptions. I suspect that you already know that fornication/adultery is sin, and that not all sin is fornication or adultery. So, its very possible for a sinner to a virgin- that describes most teenagers, of which Mary was one. Do you believe its possible for a sinner to not to a certain sin like fornication/adultery? If so then you would agree that a sinful person can be a virgin like Mary.
Now, for the second part of what you assumed:
"Jesus is free from sin so God his Father would not have chosen a sinner to give birth to a sinless Jesus."
How could you know what God the Father's thought process was? Do you have a scripture that says what you just said that He "would not have" chosen a sinner?
There is no scripture saying that. But there's plenty of scripture supporting the opposite.
Paul - killed Christians and had a "thorn" in his side, but chosen to spread the gospel and write much of the Bible.
Moses - murdered a guy and possibly a speech impediment, but chosen anyway by God.
David - had a guy killed so he could have an affair with his wife- pretty sick sinful stuff, but God used him anyway.
Remember how Jesus paid extra attention to the vile and "worst" sinners, like the prostitute, and tax collector, thief, lepers, etc.
It seems that God actually takes a liking to people who are imperfect sinners.
Have you ever read this verse?
"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2 Corinthians 12:9 KJV
I am so thankful God reminds us here that our work for Him WILL be rewarded! He is surely a God that understands our infirmities and our struggles!
So thankful to be one of His chosen ones! Thankful that He knows ALL! Thank you, LORD, for loving us so kindly and reminding us that our labour is not in vain!
I think as you do on this, but we could be wrong. I think that God executed capital punishment on some of the Israelites not so much because what they did was exceedingly evil, but to make the point that they must view Him as truly holy and be mindful of interacting with Him with reverence.
It reminds of what Jesus said about the people on which the tower of Siloam fell or the Galileans whose blood Pilate mingled with their sacrifices were worse sinners than others ( Luke 13:1-5) as He admonished those hearing Him to repent or they would likewise perish. Jesus spoke against the judgmental and self-righteous spirit of the Scribes and Pharisees who thought they were qualified to tell the degree of sinfulness of others due to their infirmities, malformations in their bodies and other imperfections.
They looked at the outside, but Jesus was concerned about the inward aspects of a person, calling them whitewashed sepulchers full of death even though these men thought that they were pure and holy because of their outward works.
The previous chapter was addressing skin contagions and the God-ordained process to deal with these infirmities and what a person is to do to be considered clean and thus able to join the congregation in the tent of meeting.
In this chapter God is addressing bodily issues. These are liquids that flow from private parts. The first part of the chapter speaks of a man having an infectious discharge. The middle part of the chapter speaks of a man emitting seminal fluid either involuntarily or during intercourse with his wife. The last part of the chapter speaks of the bleeding that happens when a woman does not become pregnant and thus sheds the uterine build up of the lining that builds up to receive a newly conceived implanted child. When conception does not happen, then menses follow. Also, it speaks to ta continued bleeding of a woman not related to a normal menses.
It is interesting how specific God is about determining cleanness of someone who will enter the tabernacle to worship Him. The infection is not in itself sinful. Neither seminal flow, nor intercourse, being normal relations between husband and wife by which they are fruitful and multiply as God commanded in Genesis 1. Neither is it sinful for a woman not to become pregnant and thus have her menses. The cycle of fertility is designed by God and good. So, I wonder why they are to offer a sin offering or burnt offering for things that are not in themselves sinful? I understand how they should bathe and wash clothing and for others to avoid touching them for hygienic reasons, but God is speaking more than about hygiene or disease control.
I think that God has these laws concerning normal bodily functions that are not sinful to remind the Israelites and us that we are fallen creatures even when we are not directly sinning. We are sinful through and through due to the fall of Adam and Eve. This is why we do not enter heaven in our this life's body...continued
.....If there is one attribute or one Spirit that defines God its Love.....Love fulfills the whole law and the Prophets as Jesus said....To love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as our selves. If you can do this you are not far from the Kingdom of God...Jesus said.
If any man believe in me and the works that i do, these works shall he do and greater then these will he do.. John 14:12....B/c i go to the Father...impling the seed sowing mode is only by the FATHER when the book is opened that we might all get a seed that we might birth Christ in us...The son of man....Resulting in a baby Christ being born in us....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you....The Babes and Sucklings that Jesus said cd Praise God with a perfect praise..outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected PRAISE... Matthew 21:15....Then we will do the works Jesus did and greater.
.....As God is spirit and them that worship him must worhip him in Spirit and truth....Which answer to the babes and sucklings....Our new innerman the H.G. The Children of Promise....our new hearts and new spirits....An Israel of God...Christ in us the hope of Glory.
Great replies from Chris, S Spencer, and Giannis. What comes to my mind, the scripture that agrees and tells me that when we come to the Father in a time of need, we have a mediator, a Priest who knows what we are feeling, one who has been there, one who knows what temptation feels like, one who knows the fear of death, but the only one who did it perfectly without sin.
Hebrew 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Jesus' prayer was answered, in Luke 22:43 just as He strengthens us when we are in need, facing things in our life we could not without Him, even if we are facing death, if we ask. I know times in my life He strengthened me and gave me the courage to endure, if not, I would not be here.
God bless,
RLW
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holy spirit. Best definition I've ever heard is the outward manifestation of the inward prasence of the power of holy
spirit. In the first century church this was not limited to the apostles other believers spoke in tongues and performed
miracles etc. It is interesting to note that to the corinthians in 14:18 Paul states I thank God I speak in tongues more than
ye all. So whats the benefit. Acts 2:11 speaking the wonderful works of God, Private prayer life 1 Cor. 14:4+5 Edification
of our spirit 1 Cor. 14:4, communication with God in divine mysteries or secrets. 1 Cor. 14:2, giving thanks well 1 Cor 14:17
keeps us aware we are Gods children and joint heirs with Christ Roman8:16, helps us with our infirmities Romans8:26,
makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God Romans 8:26+27,strenghthens us with His might in the Inner
man Ephesians 3:16, sign to unbelievers in the church new people 1 Cor.14:12. These are all the wonderful benefits again all
things of God are profitable and glorify Him when operated correctly in order with Gods LOVE. P.S. I've seen many times
these things are more in total confusion. LAST 1 Cor. 14:40 Let everything be done decently and in order. That's Godly Amen
As you've shared a great overview of this, one also notices that practically every aspect of life that we might face, has been the experience of Jesus & that He has given each person who has so suffered or being challenged, His full Attention & Help in their matters.
His holiness of Life & richness of His Words gives us today great comfort & joy, knowing that not only we can fully rely on His Guidance & Help, but that His human experiences with the people of His Day, with their sicknesses & sufferings, also reveal His Understanding & Compassion to us now who maybe so overcome.
As we read in Hebrews 2:18, "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted"; this must speak volumes to us of the LORD God coming into humanity, experiencing our struggles, so that we might be truly helped, not by "an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities", but by "a merciful & faithful high priest". No high priest of old could ever fill the shoes of our Great High Priest, eternal in the heavens, ever interceding for us.
And for you dear brother, that the Wisdom & Grace of our Lord be with you in your matters with your family & ministry aspirations. We remain in prayer that the way before you will be made abundantly clear.
2 Corinthians 12:10
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Corinthians 13:9
For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Deuteronomy 31:6 - Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Comment: The only way to get strong is to rely on Jesus and the Bible. He is THE WORD OF GOD.
Mankind's knowledge can only go just so far. FAITH in Jesus can build you up on the inside.
It only works properly when you ask Him to come and be Your Savior. Read all of John chapter 3. When Jesus is talking about the wind, he is speaking of The indwelling of the Holy Spirit inside of you; in your heart. He teaches you what scripture means.
There is a link on the red entrance page BECOME A BELIEVER, that will walk you through the steps to Salvation, and Receiving the Holy Spirit. It helps you know what to expect.
It will grow your Faith. Jesus doesn't fail us. We__fail us. Everyone comes to the Lord the same way. We learn it by feeding on what we learn by reading the Bible, every day.
I used to read my Bible at lunch and eat the lunch I made. My body was nourished on the food; and my soul and spirit were fed by reading the Bible.
I promise that you'll get stronger every day. Think about attending church services. One that teaches Bible; not psychology. Come back here for fellowship, often.
1 Timothy 5:23 |
Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
And we know that Jesus changed the water into wine at the feast of Cana.
Moderation is required when drinking alcohol. We all know what can happen when a person drinks too much alcohol. Paul instructs us to stay away from drunkards.
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
.....He died for everybody..He paid the Price for everybody, we are ALL bought with a Price his blood....Even the Harlots and the
......Whoremongers are precious in his eyes....Scriptures says even the Islands of the seas shall be converted unto me...Its not his will that any shall parish. 2 nd Peter 3 : 9 But that all should come to repentance....ALL should come to repentance.
.....If ya don't have a burden for a loss and a dying world you are not bornagain yet....We need to be TOUCHED with the infirmities of this world's pains and sorrows...It should be as a fire shup up in our bones as said Jeremiah....ok
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 - To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
1 Corinthians 6:12 - All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of [excesses of anything]
Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is EXCESS; but be filled with the Spirit;
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: [over consumption=poor health]
1 Timothy 4:2-5 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Philippians 4:5 - Let your MODERATION be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
1 Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. (This was a stomach remedy; not a reason to party.)
1 Timothy 3:8 - Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Comment: anger creates cortisol in the blood, and it kills people.
Almost everyone knows these things. The only way I've found to fight back, is to not even bring stuff into the house. God created everything to give us life and health.
I drink water until my brain sends the signal I am "full". It turns off that screaming. Try it.
About one hundred and twenty followers of Christ ( Acts 1:15) were present, including the Twelve Apostles (Matthias was Judas' replacement) ( Acts 1:13, 26), Jesus' mother Mary, other female disciples and his brothers ( Acts 1:14). JESUS had sisters. All filled with the Holy Spirit.
Women were also identified to be among the 120. Mary the mother of Jesus is mentioned by name. The wives of the apostles were there ( 1 Cor. 9:5 "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?"). Each of the wives was a devout believer in Christ. Part of the number of women would be those mentioned in Luke 8:1-3. "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance." See also Matt. 27:55-56; Luke 23:49,55. We would expect that the sisters of Jesus were also believers by this time, as His brothers had become. Jesus was much more inclusive of the women than were the scribes and PHARISEES. The women had accompanied Him as He went through every city and village. The very first person to announce the Risen Christ was Mary Magdalene ( John 20:11-18).
Mishael: taken from history recorded in Book of Acts; by the Disciples (Luke), and Jewish people. Paul had not been born again yet. After he was, he went to the wilderness to be taught by the Lord for 3 YEARS. Corinthians was not written down yet.
Women spread the Gospel too; house to house. Outside of the synagogues in their courtyards. That's what disciples do_spread the Good News. WORD of mouth, house to house.
Mishael
GOD personally and intimately interacts with HIS people in the PERSON of The HOLY SPIRIT "Which is given unto us" ( Rom. 5:5), and "Which dwelleth in us" ( 2Tim. 1:14).
Praying "in The HOLY GHOST" (cp. Eph. 6:18) is just as required as praying to The FATHER in JESUS's NAME ( Jn. 14:6 & 13-14; Heb. 10:19; 1Tim. 2:5). Of note, both LORD JESUS CHRIST and The HOLY SPIRIT are the only AGENTS through which GOD The FATHER hears and attends to the saints' and the church's prayers ( Eph. 2:18):
"Through HIM (LORD JESUS CHRIST) we both (Paul and the Ephesian Church) have access {the privilege of approaching and gaining an audience} by one SPIRIT unto The FATHER."
Additionally, The SPIRIT aids our praying even during the most difficult situations ( Rom. 8:26):
"The SPIRIT also helpeth our infirmities (weakness; feebleness): for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but The SPIRIT itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
During these dire situations, The SPIRIT prays on the saint's behalf when the saint does not know what to pray for in a particular situation, nor how to verbally articulate the prayer.
Moreover, both LORD JESUS CHRIST ( Rom. 8:34; Heb. 7:25) and The HOLY SPIRIT ( Rom. 8:26-27) guarantee GOD The FATHER hears the saints' prayers through THEIR Intercessory Work.
Often, theologians describe The HOLY GHOST as the Third PERSON of the GODHEAD TRINITY. The reader must not assume this supposed "third" ranking attributes to HIM a lesser degree of status.
The expression, "The HOLY SPIRIT", identifies the Same DIVINE PERSON within the TRIUNE TRINITY of The GODHEAD which consists of The PERSONS of GOD The FATHER, GOD The SON LORD JESUS CHRIST, and GOD The HOLY GHOST (SPIRIT).
Don't you think there can be a difference? And hang on a cross next to the Lord Jesus? For in a situation like crucifixion i would think that everyone has reached a stage where they fear for their life, soul and Spirit. I am sure God saves those people whom He has ordained. Anyway, but here we are not talking about being found worthy. We are predetermined. Romans 9:18-19 It is only thanksgiving and humility that we should show to the Almighty God, and wish all the best for all. He who intercedes for all His. Romans 8:27-30
Therefore, when people are baptized, they receive a promise that the whole family will be saved. Acts 16:31-34 Is not it worth baptizing for? :) Got some word from
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
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For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
God bless us in Jesus Name, love u all
Some say, in order to know our weakness of flesh (infirmities) He needed to be able to sin but to always choose against it, facing every temptation with a spirit, mind and will doing his Father's will.
Others say that, because of He was divinity in uncorrupted human flesh, He was not able to sin because no member of the Godhead is ever capable of sinning. And since the humanity and divinity of Jesus was a union that did not mix the two natures but existed in only one single Person, this union made Jesus unable to sin because in every act, thought, word of Jesus it was this unified nature that did these acts, thoughts, words. If Jesus did something in His human nature by this union, the divine nature did it also. If Jesus did something in His divine nature then His human nature did it, too, bcause of this union. When Jesus walked on water, His divine nature was performing the act, but Jesus the God/Man did the action without separating into two persons. When Jesus was hungry (strictly a human feeling and need) because of this union both God and Man hungered.
Still, some also say that God the Son emptied Himself of His divinity in the incarnation, (referring to Philippians 5:2-8 and therefore Jesus did everything as a human fully empowered by the Holy Spirit. In this view, Jesus was able to sin, being only human.
Personally, I do not believe this reasoning, because the whole of Scripture refutes it. Instead, I believe that the God the Son humbled himself by laying aside His glory and did not operate out of his divine powers outside of the will of God. Though He was equal to the Father and the Spirit, He chose to subordinate Himself to the Father, becoming the servant of the Father, but retained His full deity in the incarnation as well as being fully human.
For me, this is somewhat of a mystery. My first two views presented here are both plausible. I am not convinced on one over the other. The third view I wholly reject.
Very well put, Jesus was the second man and the last Adam, same as the first before the first disobeyed the commandment that God gave him, and his one sin brought the penalty of death upon mankind. Just like the first Adam, the last Adam (Jesus) was capable of sinning if He chose to but He did not. If Jesus came and lived in the flesh and was not capable of sinning as His Father, He could not have fulfilled the law and the first covenant, Hebrews 4:15
Then, how is He touched with the feelings of our infirmities, if He could never really sin?
God bless,
RLW
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
John 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
** Philippians 4:11
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever "state" I am, therewith to be content.
Mishael
I did not want to join in on this subject, I have discussed it before, and this is just to suggest something you may look into. You said Jesus' nature as God He could not sin. To fulfill the covenant flesh had to live a perfect life without sin to fulfill and break the curse of sin. If Jesus was incapable of sin, He could not make reconciliation for the sins.
Hebrews 2:16-18 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
He faced and was tempted just like us, Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
He lived His life with the same temptations as we do and He overcame and did not sin, He could have but He did not give in. We have a high priest that knows what we are tempted with should motivate us and strength our faith our Savior Jesus did it and He can give us support to endure our walk. He knows what it is like!!!
If I read your post wrong forgive me.
God bless,
RLW
A mans seed by itself will not produce a child.
We need a man and a women to produce a child.
God used the women to produce a child with a seed he implanted in her.
The women was of the line of David.
Matt 1:1 Both David and Abraham are mentioned here.
What do you think God is trying to tell you here.
Verse 1-17 deals with the lineage of Joseph. Yes Joseph is not the father of Jesus.
He is of the lineage of David and Abraham. God put this in for a reason.
The lineage of Mary is in Luke 3. Joseph father was Jacob Matt 1:16
Heli was Mary's father.
Where does this lineage go back to?
It ends with Adam and he is called the son of God.
Jesus is called the son of God as well as Adam.
Jesus had the same nature as you and I.
The difference is that he didn't give inti it.
He didn't sin.
If he couldn't sin then what is the sense of Heb 4
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Not only that but if he couldn't sin that means he didn't have the same nature as you and I.
That's a dangerous thought isn't it. Consider 1 John 4
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Thanks for your time
After you study that, this may be helpful when "Not Knowing" what to pray for. God's GRACE in infirmities: Link
In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul is telling Timothy "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
The water in those days was very polluted and people were becoming diseased from it. And people in those days took a small amount of wine and mixed it with water. In those days, it was 9 parts water and 1 part wine. (Nothing like our wine today). Back then, it did not have the alcohol content, the fermentation as our alcoholic beverages do today. It took quite a while for you to drink, and that's why the wedding feast would last an entire week. It took a long while to get drunk! Today, a person can actually get drunk pretty quick on wine. But they took a little wine for their stomachs sake. It was for medicinal purposes because of how bad the water was.
And it's kind of interesting that if you notice how it's worded, it's a command, because Timothy doesn't want to go near this stuff. In fact, back in 1 Timothy 3:3, one of the characteristics of the overseer is that they're not given to wine. So Timothy is saying "I'm staying clear of that stuff." And so Paul has to command him, take a little wine for your stomachs sake, and for your often infirmities.
Obviously Timothy was a sick person, not in good health. And he was told to take a little wine for his stomachs sake. Paul just got through telling him to keep yourself pure, and so he has to mention this to him because Timothy is wrestling with this issue about keeping himself pure.
As far as if it's okay to have a glass of wine or not, something we need to take into consideration is Romans 14:23 where it says that which is not of faith is sin. Understanding that the word faith literally means persuasion, one must ask before indulging in a glass of wine if it is the Lord persuading them to do so? I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this is something we need to consider in all things. Whatever we are doing, is it under the Lord's persuasion?
2 Corinthians 12:9 God's Power Of ALL-Sufficient GRACE in our weaknesses and infirmities:
"PEACE With God," and knowing what good "tribulation worketh in us" Romans 5:1-5
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
The Spirit "helps our infirmities, And Prays For us" Romans 8:26
The Spirit "Intercedes For us, According To The Will Of God" Romans 8:27
God Makes "all things Work Together For Good," for HIS Own Romans 8:28
We are "Predestinated To Be Conformed To The Image Of God's SON" Romans 8:29
God Helps us "bear our testings" 1 Corinthians 10:13
We have The Wonderful "Comfort Of God!" 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
"For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a Far More Exceeding and Eternal Weight of Glory" 2 Corinthians 4:17
God will "change our vile body" to be "like HIS Glorious Body!" Philippians 3:21
Amen?
Conclusion:
"For our infirmities/sufferings"? Should we not "follow Paul our 'pattern'" 1 Ti 1:16?:
"And HE Said Unto me, My GRACE Is Sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that The Power of CHRIST may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for CHRIST's Sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." 2 Corinthians 12:9-10
Amen? And Amen.
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?
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