Val Hawn; If I were you I'd get away from the Jehovah's Witnesses as fast as you can. They deny the Eternal Divinity of Christ, and follow the teachings of a man (Russel) who rewrote the Scriptures after his own ideas; very bad! Jesus said that He saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven, ( Luke 10:18); and that we should not go after those who say Christ has already come, ( Matthew 24:21-31).
Folks need to know some facts. We are living in the end times. Many people have been misled and need to know some facts. Do some research and learn the truth before it's too late. The Father and the Son are not one.
1) God is the Father. Jesus is the Son.
How can we be sure? Scripture proves it many times over.
There is One God, Deut 4:35, Isa 43:10, 44:6, 45:5-6, 18, 22
There is One Mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Ti 2:5, Ac 2:22
Jesus was "MADE" of a Woman, Ga 4:4 whom God said:
Concerning Jesus and God being two separate entities.
Very well explained.
God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
John 10:30
"I and My Father are One"
The word "One" is the Greek word "hen" and is given in the neutral form of speech. This means that they are one in "essence" not one person, which would be in the masculine form of speech, and would use the Greek word "heis."
If the words of John 10:30 are to be taken literally, what do people that believe this do with John 10:29 (as well as ALL other verses, including the ones you mention)?
"My Father,which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand."
I suppose this means "I, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My hand."
And John 10:30 would have to read; "I and Myself are One."
Seems like a lot of explaining has to be done here for these statements to make sense if God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
And please don't try and say that Jesus is God in flesh. Again, the understanding of figures of speech must be taken account for.
I would not want to be in the unenviable position of trying to uphold a position as truth while I am denying proper grammar and plain Scripture that is using OBVIOUS figures of speech.
Not a page of the word of God can be turned without the use of Figures of Speech."
Figures of speech are a LEGAL part of English grammar that follow rules, not something that is arbitrarily used by the reader whenever he or she feels the urge.
Taking literal what God states as figurative and taking figurative what God is states is literal is a fundamental reason why people misunderstand the word of God.
Jesus is God is not a figure of speech 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. GOD WITH US.
Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness
Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE
How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?
1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)
Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)
Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.
Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, ....
There are many verses that prove Jesus is God. John 1:1 states that Jesus is God. In Hebrews 1:8, Jesus is called God. Jesus Himself claimed to be God. Jesus also said before Abraham was, "I am," the name God used. Jesus also said I and my Father are ONE. Jesus said "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I agree that there is only one God, but that one God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all three being God.
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Folks need to know some facts. We are living in the end times. Many people have been misled and need to know some facts. Do some research and learn the truth before it's too late. The Father and the Son are not one.
1) God is the Father. Jesus is the Son.
How can we be sure? Scripture proves it many times over.
There is One God, Deut 4:35, Isa 43:10, 44:6, 45:5-6, 18, 22
There is One Mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Ti 2:5, Ac 2:22
Jesus was "MADE" of a Woman, Ga 4:4 whom God said:
"and he shall be to me a Son" Heb 1:5
God Was "MANIFEST" (revealed)
"In The Flesh" (the life of Jesus), 1 Ti 3:16
Understand that God was "IN" Chr
Concerning Jesus and God being two separate entities.
Very well explained.
God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
John 10:30
"I and My Father are One"
The word "One" is the Greek word "hen" and is given in the neutral form of speech. This means that they are one in "essence" not one person, which would be in the masculine form of speech, and would use the Greek word "heis."
If the words of John 10:30 are to be taken literally, what do people that believe this do with John 10:29 (as well as ALL other verses, including the ones you mention)?
"My Father,which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand."
I suppose this means "I, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My hand."
And John 10:30 would have to read; "I and Myself are One."
Seems like a lot of explaining has to be done here for these statements to make sense if God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
And please don't try and say that Jesus is God in flesh. Again, the understanding of figures of speech must be taken account for.
I would not want to be in the unenviable position of trying to uphold a position as truth while I am denying proper grammar and plain Scripture that is using OBVIOUS figures of speech.
Not a page of the word of God can be turned without the use of Figures of Speech."
Figures of speech are a LEGAL part of English grammar that follow rules, not something that is arbitrarily used by the reader whenever he or she feels the urge.
Taking literal what God states as figurative and taking figurative what God is states is literal is a fundamental reason why people misunderstand the word of God.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. GOD WITH US.
Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness
Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE
How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?
1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)
Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)
Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.
Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, ....
There are many verses that prove Jesus is God. John 1:1 states that Jesus is God. In Hebrews 1:8, Jesus is called God. Jesus Himself claimed to be God. Jesus also said before Abraham was, "I am," the name God used. Jesus also said I and my Father are ONE. Jesus said "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I agree that there is only one God, but that one God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all three being God.
The Godhead is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Here are verses showing the Godhead speaking amongst themselves.
Different ministries, functions, but all three United in purpose. The LET US. From Genesis to the New Testament.
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22
Genesis 11:7
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
Acts 17:27-30
Your understanding of scriptures represents you very well.
Mishael
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