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  • Jesse - 5 months ago
    Biblical Greek Perspectives

    John (Part 1):

    John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Notice the three words "was." As I shared with you earlier, that has to do with the continuous existence in the past. That is what the Greek word represents. And notice the three different segments. In the beginning was the word. Secondly, the word was with God. And thirdly, the word was God.

    In the beginning, and literally in the Greek text, there is no definite article "the." It is just EN ARCHAE, in beginning. There's a reason for that. It is because Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 1, in the Hebrew as well as the Greek translation, it reads "In beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

    There is no word "the" in Genesis 1:1 either because it was not "the beginning," it was just beginning. And in the language of both Hebrew and Greek, that is a designation of at the time of creation.

    So, in beginning, that is, at Genesis 1:1, was the Word. And again, the word "was" shows continuous existence and the word "Word" is the word LOGOS.

    The LOGOS, the great thinker behind the universe was already in existence at the time of physical creation. That is, the creation of physical things as we know it. He was always in existence.

    Secondly, and the word was with God. The word "with" represents a Greek phrase that means face-to-face with. And it is the Greek term for equality. To be face-to-face, eye-to-eye, shows equality.

    And the word was God. Interesting that some people take these phrases and try to make something out of it that actually twists it away from its original intent. It says the word was God.

    Notice our three principles:

    Existence - at creation the word existed already.

    Equality - and the word was with God, that is face-to-face equal to God.

    And thirdly, and the word was God - Essence, nature, the very nature of God Himself.
  • Poppybrown75 - In Reply - 5 months ago
    How do you all type capital letters to stay on messages?? like starting a sentence? ever time i do, it take it to lower cases??

    can someone tell me how and thanks.....
  • GiGi - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello Poppybrowm75

    Perhaps you have the cap lock button pressed and it will do lower case when you push the shift button and revert to upper case when you do not. If this is what is happening, you can just press down cap lock and it will default down to lower case.
  • Poppybrown75 - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Thanks so much
  • Poppybrown75 - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello to all:

    when i read the word of "god" every day, i believe it is the very breath of "god" spoken to me as if he is right there with me.



    think about this:

    his word is his breath speaken. his word is final, no man can replace the breath of "god"!

    mankind can not replace the breath of "god". we can't save no one. we do not have the right replaced or add to his word. "god" made the world and everything it. man took what "god" gave us to use for his glory. man turn it into evil things. "god" breath is the word of "god".

    now man uses [evil for good] [ good for evil ] "come lord jesus"
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Great lesson here Brother Jesse!

    Thanks again and God bless you!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Brother Spencer,

    I'm glad you are enjoying the studies. Blessings to you also and may the Lord continue to guide you in his ways!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 5):

    John 2:15 - And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

    And when he had made a scourge, or whip of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple. Literally in the Greek text it says He threw them out. He chased them out with this whip, and the sheep, and the oxen; and he poured out the changers' money, and then tipped over their tables.

    I don't know why but over the years I've often wondered if during some functions that go on in various churches, if the Lord were there, would He come and turnover the tables and chase everybody off?

    John 2:23 - Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

    In this verse, where it says "many believed in his name," in the Greek, it is literally into His name. That's the proper wording of the New Testament, not believe in Him or about Him, but into Him. It is direction. It's action. People saw the Lord perform signs and miracles and because of that they believed into His name.

    John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    The word "again" in the Greek text is literally the word above. It is not PALIN, which is the word for again. It is the word ANOTHEN, which means "from above." So, He is saying that if a person is not born from above, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God.

    John 3:4 - Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

    In the Greek text, there's a word and it is pronounced MAY, and when it is included in questions it expects the answer no! In the Greek text, on all major questions in the Bible, it also includes the answer. We don't see that in the English text very much.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 10):

    John 6:19 - So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.

    The other Gospel writers tell us that they thought they saw a ghost. In fact, one Greek translation used PHANTASMA. They thought He was a phantom ghost. And they were afraid.

    John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    The word "draw" isn't the drawing that I depict when I put my hand out to draw. In the Greek text, it is a word that means to drag. The same word was used of Lot. If you remember, as he was leaving town, he didn't want to go, and he hesitated.

    It was the faithfulness of God that took him by the hand and dragged him out of the city. That is the faithfulness of God. Even in our hesitations, He'll drag us. I guess you might say that "Christianity is a drag!"

    John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

    You know who God's people are? They are the people who are taught by God. Literally, God taught is what it says. Even though somebody might be standing up front and talking, and using scripture, we are taught by God inside our own heart and inside our own spirit, not from outside.

    The Lord can and He does speak to people's hearts from listening to other people, from reading the Word, from reading a commentary, or reading an article. But God's people are God taught.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 15):

    John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Literally, "Before Abraham was in existence, I AM in existence!" Before Abraham was in existence, I was already in existence, and always had been. The "I AM" of the Old Testament!

    John 9:27 - He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?

    It says, "will you also be his disciples? In the Greek text it expects the answer no.

    John 9:34 - They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

    That is the official term for excommunication. They kicked him out!

    John 9:40 - And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

    The Greek text says that they expected the answer no. We are not blind also are we, looking to Jesus?

    John 10:1 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

    Thief and robber, very interesting words in the Greek text! The reason why there are two different words here that pretty much represent the same thing is because there are two different words in the Greek New Testament.

    Some people get confused about this. They believe that that Jesus died between two thieves, but in the NIV, in the gospel of John, it says that He died amongst criminals, which is true. It doesn't say anything about thieves.

    Well, Matthew, Mark and Luke, they mention the fact that He died amongst robbers. That is where we get that part of it. The only difference between a thief and a robber is that a thief will steal by stealth or by deception. A robber does it by force. So, thieves and robbers, these are depicted in the Jewish proverb as false Christ's and false teachers.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 20):

    John 12:3 - Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

    Then Mary took a pound of ointment. It is actually not a pound as we know it. The Greek word means three quarters of a pound of ointment, and of spikenard, very costly. And spikenard is an oil extract from a plant in India. It is very costly, about 300 day's wages, almost a year for us. So, she took this ointment and poured it on the feet of Jesus. This was while they were at the table to eat supper.

    John 12:5 - Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

    A DENARIUS is one day's wage, so 300 DENARII would be 300 days wages. So, Judas is calculating and saying, "What a waste!" It could have been sold and we could have given the money to the poor.

    John 12:6 - This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

    Judas was stealing out of the treasury of the disciples. He was stealing out of the money bag. All he could see is 300 days wages that could be in his bag, but instead she wasted it on Jesus.

    John 12:34 - The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

    There are two terms for Jesus; Son of God, and Son of man. Son of God means spiritually He is all God. Son of Man means that He's the head of the human race.

    This is taken from Daniel 7:13-14, where it is first used that the Son of man will come. He inherits everything from the human race, and He is God. He is the Son of God and the Son of man. He is 100% God and 100% man.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 25):

    John 14:1 - Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    Let not your heart be troubled: that's a command. What is interesting is that earlier Jesus was troubled in spirit. The word troubled is TARASO, for agitated. He used the same word for the disciples. But He said your heart, the very control center of your life. Let not your heart be troubled. Listen to this: You are believing in God, and here's the command, believe also in me.



    What is He saying? You are already believing in God. Now believe in me. You will still be believing in God. You believe in God, but now transfer that over to me because I am God in the flesh. That is what He is saying!

    John 14:2 - In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    The word for mansions (MONAE) is the representative, and it means "a dwelling place." It is actually the noun form of the word for abide. It is an abiding place, a dwelling place. Jesus is starting to make the emphasis on the key words to this section. Unfortunately, the word MONAE in Greek never refers to "mansions" as we know a mansion to be. They are dwelling places!

    The word MONAE is only found here in Verse 2 and in Verse 23 of this chapter. This is the only two places where the word is found. In Verse 23, it is sort of like a bookend. He starts out by saying "in my Father's house are many dwelling places."

    Now in John 14:23, listen to this: "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

    Where's the dwelling place? Right here! Me/You! Jesus says, "We will come and make our abode with Him." In John 14:2, it sounds like He's doing that in heaven, but He has to go in order to come back. He can't send the Holy Spirit until he leaves. He's getting ready to prepare a place for us!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 30):

    John 16:1 - These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

    Again, the word offended is the word SCANDALIDZO, where we get our word scandal from. In Greek, it literally has to do with a trap spring.

    John 16:2 - They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

    It says, "They shall put you out of the synagogues." Here is the literal translation: "They shall make you a people without a synagogue."

    John 16:6 - But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

    The word sorrow is the word grief in Greek, LUPAE. It represents such a serious grief that is so deep down within a person that they cannot even express it because it is so painful. He says you're not asking me because grief has filled your heart.

    John 16:8 - And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    The word "reprove" is literally the word convict in the Greek. It is a judiciary term that means to present evidence to bring about conviction.

    John 16:12 - I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    The word "cannot" is the word ability. You don't have the ability to bear what I'm about to tell you.

    John 16:18 - They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

    They said therefore, and the word "said" is called the Imperfect Tense in Greek. It means this was a discussion that was going on. It wasn't just a one-time question. They were talking about it.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 35):

    John 17:24 - Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

    Father, I will, (literally I wish), I desire, that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; in order that they may behold my glory. And the word "behold" is the word view, to actually see the very substance and nature and character of God Himself.

    John 18:1 - When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

    It says, when Jesus had spoken these words, and that would be everything in Chapters 13 through 17 ending off with the prayer.

    But when Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth (or went out) with His disciples over the brook Cedron. This would be the Kidron Valley right between Jerusalem and the Mount of Olives.

    It's called the Brook Kidron (or Cedron) because it flows in the winter time, and that's what the word "brook" means in Greek. It means winter flow. So, over the brook Cedron, where there was a garden. And this is at the foot or the base of the Mount of Olives, into which He entered, and His disciples. This is the place where Jesus spent many of his evenings with the disciples.

    John 18:2 - And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

    And Judas also, which betrayed Him. And in the Greek text, the word "betrayed" is a Present Participle, the one who is in the process of betraying Him. He knew the place: Judas had gone there many times before with Jesus and the disciples.

    For Jesus often times resorted (or gathered) there with his disciples.

    So, He knew that Judas had gone out. He's finished instructing the disciples. So, He goes to the garden where Judas knows where to find Him.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 38):

    John 19:6 - When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him.

    The word "him" is not in their chant. They are just going, crucify, crucify, crucify, crucify, over and over again and people are being worked up into a frenzy.

    John 19:7 - The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

    Here's what it says in the Greek. It says, Son of God, not "the" Son of God, but just Son of God. That is a title. And to the Jews, it means God in the flesh. The word Son, HUIOUS, doesn't have anything to do with somebody who is born from a woman. This is somebody who's been placed in a position of inheritance.

    He's the one that inherits all things from God. The word TEKNON, for a child who has been born, is never used of Jesus Christ. That is why when people say "Well if He is the Son of God, how can He be God? He's not a Son by birth. He is a Son in the Jewish social frame of mind of the receiver of the inheritance. The Jews knew what that meant. So, they came and said here's His title. He says He's Son of God.

    John 20:1 - The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    It says, "the first day of the week," but I would like to share some technical things as to how this language works.

    In the Greek text, it literally says, "the first of the Sabbath's," plural! In the scriptures, the Sabbath Day is singular and the weekdays are plural. So, you have the Sabbath Day, and then you have the Sabbath Days, which are used to denote the weekdays.

    This is the first day of the week, Sunday. This Sunday is the first Sunday after Passover, which means the Sabbath of Passover has passed. The Sabbath of Saturday, the normal Sabbath, has passed. And now we are into Sunday.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 42):

    John 21:16 - He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

    Jesus says to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He doesn't say "more than these," He just uses AGAPE again. Do you have agape for me? He is narrowing it down. He said unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee.

    And again, Peter uses the word PHILEO. First AGAPE in comparison, then AGAPE, one-on-one, and still Peter will not boast or claim or commit to have that kind of love.

    John 21:17 - He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

    Jesus says to him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Except Jesus now uses the word PHILEO that Peter has been using all this time. Now Jesus is challenging him, "Do you PHILEO me? Do you have affection for me?" He is even challenging him on that. And Peter said unto him, Lord, you know all things; you know that I PHILEO you.

    "Lord, you know all things." The proper response by Peter!

    This is all I have to share from John's gospel. I will be going through Acts next. Hopefully I haven't put anyone to sleep yet. For those of you who are still following along, I want to say thank you so much!

    God Bless!!!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Amen Brother Jesse.

    You're welcome, these have been a treasure!

    Just to add to the humbling and strengthening of Peter.

    In Luke 22:31the Lord told Peter Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

    I noticed in this verse as well the Lord referenced Peter as Simon in connecting to what's to come.

    Blessings.

    "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 41):

    John 21:1 - After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.

    The sea of Tiberius is the Sea of Galilee. By the time John wrote, which is some of 30 years plus after the other gospels were written, it wasn't known as the Sea of Galilee. It was known as the Sea of Tiberius because the city of Tiberius was there and the Romans renamed it. So, the Sea of Tiberius and the Sea of Galilee are the same places.

    John 21:15 - So, when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

    Here's something we don't catch in our English text. The word love is used twice in this verse, but there are two different words in the Greek that have different meanings. One is AGAPE (Godly love), and the other is PHILEO (Human love). After they had finished, Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, and He doesn't call him Peter. That is the name He gave to Peter. He calls him by his human fleshly name. Simon, son of Jonas. It is like "Uh oh, here it comes," lovest thou me more than these?

    This word love is AGAPAO. It is the word AGAPE in verb form, the highest form of sacrificial love, like "I'll lay down my life for you type of love." And He also tacks on a little supportive phrase by saying "more than these?" Remember in Mark 14:29 Peter says, "though all of these will be offended in you, yet I will not."

    So, Jesus is saying, do you AGAPE me more than these? Peter says Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. The word love that Peter uses here is PHILEO. He doesn't say, yes Lord, I AGAPE you. He says I PHILEO you, I have affection for you.

    Peter is not as bold in his boast this time. "Sure Lord, I AGAPE you. I will go out there and die for you," like he did before. He's been humbled. "Lord, you know I have PHILEO for you."
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 40):

    John 20:19 - Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

    Then the same day at evening, so this is the same Sunday, what we call Easter or Resurrection. In the evening time being the first day of the week, and again we make reference to the first of the week days which is Sunday, when the doors were shut.

    Now the word for shut in Greek comes from the word key, like to unlock a door. The reference here is the fact that they locked the doors.

    They put a bar over the doors. And it tells us where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews. They said "They have killed Jesus. Certainly, if they find us, they are going to kill us too!" So, they locked the doors, they barred the doors for fear of the Jews, and Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.

    Luke says they were scared half to death. They thought it was a phantom, a ghost. And that is why Jesus said peace be unto you. They were already afraid of the Jewish leaders coming to round them up. And so, when Jesus shows up, now they are seeing ghosts. Now the situation is getting pretty bad. But Jesus says peace be unto you. He didn't rebuke them!

    John 20:21 - Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you:

    In other words, the first time was to calm their fear. Now He is telling them "What I'm going to tell you, it's in peace. I am not here to rebuke you or do anything that you should be afraid of." Peace be unto you: for as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. The word send is in the Present Tense. "I am sending you out." It is the verb form of the word apostle, which John doesn't use in his gospel.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 39):

    John 20:14 - And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

    And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and in the Greek text, the word for "standing" is in the Perfect Tense, which means He had been standing there the whole while. When she turned around that is when she noticed Him. But He was there ever since she came to the tomb door and looked in and began to talk to the angels. And so, she saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus.

    John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Jesus said unto her, Touch me not. Now it is interesting what the text says. The word "touch" is the word HAPTO, and it means to fasten. It does not mean to touch, as in "Don't touch me, stay away from me!" It means don't fasten yourself to me. It is a Present Imperative, which indicates that she is already doing it. "Stop clinging to me" is what Jesus is saying.

    In fact, in Matthew Chapter 28 Verse 9, Matthew tells us that she had a death grip on His ankles. She was not going to let Him out of her sight again! So, He wasn't telling her "Don't touch me." He was saying let go, do not cling to me, stop clinging to me.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hey Jesse,

    I hope you don't mind I do enjoy reading your posts they inspire study, if I could maybe look deeper into a few places. Posts 38 and 39 are about the same day when our Lord was resurrected this was on the Feast of Firstfruits. We know this was not a coincidence since Jesus is the firstfruits of those who slept.

    This is the first day after the Sabbath after Passover, Leviticus 23:9-16. As you say Sabbath is plural, they would start counting the days and Sabbaths until the 7th Sabbath, the day after the 7th Sabbath again the first day of the week is what we call Passover, 50 days the second harvest.

    This goes with why Mary could not touch/fasten to Jesus, and they could not eat of the first harvest until the priest waved the sheaf of grain before the altar. As the priest had to wave the sheaf over the altar before the LORD to be accepted, Jesus had to ascend to His Father to be accepted to fulfill the Feast of Firstfruits before He could be touched.

    This is why Mary could not touch Him, He told her He had not ascended to His Father. With the gospels Matthew 28 Mark 16 Luke 24 and John 20 we see the entire picture. In John 20 Mary Magdalene was the first to go to the tomb and it was still dark. She ran and bumped into Simon Peter and John and told them the stone was rolled away, Simon Peter and John ran to the tomb to see.

    They went back home but Mary stayed there, the other women had not yet come this is when she saw Jesus. Jesus told her "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: He told Mary to go tell the disciples I ascend, so Jesus ascended then before the other women got there.

    In Matthew 28 after the other women came and the angels told them to go tell the disciples He was risen. They were on their way to tell the disciples that, they probably caught up with Mary Magdalene when Jesus met them after He had ascended to His Father and returned, they could then touch Him, and they held Him by His feet.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jesse,

    Brother in the highest respect I know we disagree on this you understand that the Son of God is a title. You said about huios; quote "doesn't have anything to do with somebody who is born from a woman. This is somebody who's been placed in a position of inheritance." end quote. To me that would be saying Jesus was figuratively the son of God.

    The two Greek words you use huios and teknon. Huios means properly, a son by birth or adoption; Jesus was Son by birth and we as believers become figuratively a son/huios of God being adopted and heirs of the promise through the only begotten Son of God Jesus, 1 John 3:2 Romans 8:23.

    Jesus was born of Mary by the Spirit of God and as Jesus grew, he knew who He was as he said in Luke 2:49 I must be about my Father's business.

    We see in Luke 15:24 the prodigal son, his father told the servants his son/huios had returned, a son who was born of him and a mother. In this parable told by Jesus, the man called his other son/teknon who was born of the same father and mother. The word teknon means a child, a son, or a daughter.

    In John 19:7 this is what the Jews said, they said he made himself the Son of God by saying Jesus just claimed to be the Son of God but was not, they rejected Jesus and did not believe Jesus was truly the Son of God, the Messiah, even after He was resurrected. I feel if we say Son of God is His title we also are saying Jesus is not the only begotten Son of God conceived in Mary by the Spirit of God.

    1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. In my understanding of this verse, if we do not acknowledge that Jesus was and is the Son of God conceived in Mary, born of the tribe of Judah a descendant of David, we denieth the Son. We must believe and confess that Jesus is the Son of God, we must believe on the name of the Son of God.

    In love, God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hello Ronald,

    Yes, we do disagree on this, but it is always nice to speak with you. You have always shown respect, and I have much respect for you also. I understand the phrase "Son of God" as a title just the same as I understand "Son of Man" also being a title. One thing I notice is that John never refers to Jesus as TEKNON. And as far as I know, Jesus is never called a TEKNON in the bible. He is referred to as a HUOIS, one who inherits all things from the Father. I think we both agree that once we are born of God's Spirit, we become joint heirs with Christ. In other words, we are co-inheritors.



    I thank you for sharing your understanding of 1 John 2:23. Please allow me to also share my understanding. From what I have read and studied over the years, they had problems back then about people believing in God the Father, but not believing in the deity of Jesus Christ.

    Jesus said in John 5:23 that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent Him. In John Chapter 5, Jesus said that all authority has been conveyed to Him. He is to judge all people. And He is to be honored equal to the Father. Most religions will believe in a god and might even call him father. But they will not believe that Jesus Christ is equal.

    The person that denies the Father (and the Son), whosoever denies the Son, the same does not have the Father. Jesus said in John 10:30 (the chapter about the sheepfold), He said I and my Father are one. To me, this says that we can't have one without the other. I think the main disagreement we have is whether or not Jesus is God, which I firmly believe He is.

    I do want to thank you for taking the time to read my "Biblical Greek Perspective" posts. Blessings to you my brother in Christ Jesus!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 37):

    John 18:23 - Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

    If I have spoken evil, (literally inappropriately), bear witness of the evil: but if I have spoken well, (that is, according the lines of the law), why do you smite me?

    John 18:35 - Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

    Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Here, the Greek text expects the answer no. "I am not a Jew, am I?"

    John 18:36 - Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Literally, it is in the Imperfect Tense with a Subjunctive Particle that means, "Up until now, my servants would have been fighting if my kingdom is from out of the earth as a source, so that I would not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from here."

    John 19:1 - Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.

    So, Pilate takes Jesus, and scourged (MASTIGOO) him, the MASTIKS. The whipping of Jews and the whipping of the Romans are two different kinds. The Jews had ropes with pieces of metal and glass and bone all wrapped up in these strips and they will take someone and tie them up and just take the whip and beat them. But they will only beat them 39 times. Why 39, I'm not sure?

    Most people never made it through the whipping before they died. And if they didn't die, they were taken to the cross with all of their insides showing.

    It was a terrible thing to go through. The Roman way was even worse. They didn't just use ropes, but they used a solid rod like a fishing rod to make the whipping have more leverage. They too had the cat-o-nine tails, the glass and the lead, and the rocks. And they would beat you for as long as they wanted to. That's what they did to Jesus. They beat Him.
  • Chris - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Thanks brother Jesse for these very helpful notes to better understand the KJB as taken from the Greek. As to your point on the 39 lashes punishment, I believe this is taken from Deuteronomy 25:1-3, where 40 lashes were prescribed, but to avoid going over that number, whether through a miscount or by breaking the Law, 39 lashes were given. This number wouldn't apply to the Roman form of scourging I'm sure, or was Pilate under some control by the Jewish leaders concerning this type of punishment ("Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me" John 18:35)? Blessings.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Brother Chris,

    Thank you for this piece of information. And again, thank you for your encouraging words.

    God Bless!!!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 36):

    John 18:3 - Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

    The word band actually means a cohort of soldiers, which was a group of some 600 soldiers. It's a SPERA in Greek. So, Judas had 600 soldiers with him, and officers. These would be the temple police. So not only does he have an army contingent, but he also has the temple police. Some of the historians say that there were at least 1,000 people that came out to take Jesus. They came from the chief priests and Pharisees. They came there with lanterns and torches and weapons. The word weapons means clubs.

    John 18:5 - They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

    They answered and said to Him, Jesus of Nazareth, or more literally, the Greek text says Jesus the Nazarene.

    Jesus said unto them, and please follow closely because the Greek text is different than any of the English translations (including the King James). Jesus said unto them I AM.

    He didn't say "he". Jesus asks, "Who are you looking for?" They respond, "Jesus the Nazarene." He says, I AM, (EGO EMI). That is the name of God in the Old Testament. Our English text is a little weak here and somewhat diminishes who Christ is, God Himself!

    John 18:8 - Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

    Jesus answered, I have told you that I AM (not I am he): if therefore you are seeking me, and in the Greek, this is called a first-class condition assumed to be true. He is saying since therefore you are seeking me, and check this out because this is a command in the Greek text: He says, "let these go their way:" He is not asking permission. It is a command, Imperative Mood!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 34):

    John 17:20 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    Neither pray I for these alone, (or only), but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Wow! So, I am not just praying for these that I have right here that the Father's given to me, but also for those who are going to believe, not on me, but INTO me.

    That is the literal translation. In the Greek, what it shows is activity. The activity is surrender, not believe about Him, but believe INTO Him, giving my trust over to Him, surrender!



    But look at the instrument by which we believe. We believe into Christ through their word. That is what we are doing right now. We have the word of the apostles that Jesus prayed for, so that through their word, God might reach us with their witness and with their testimony.

    John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    And the glory which thou gavest me I have given to them; (That's the substance, the person), that they may be one, even as we are one:

    Interesting, the word "one" in the Greek is a Neuter. So, it's not one in person, but one in function.

    John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    The word perfect is the word complete, and it is a Perfect Tense which means it is a condition. We are complete in Christ. That's why at the beginning of Ephesians Chapter 4, it talks about (keeping) the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace.

    We already have unity! You hear people preaching today talking about "We need to work hard at the unity." No, we already have it. If you have Christ, and I have Christ, we have unity! The problem is that we need to be sensitive to what we're doing that is interfering with that. We already have it. We don't create it!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 33):

    John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    While I was with them in the world, I was keeping them. Notice the literal translation. When He asked the Father in Verse 11 to keep, that's the word TEREO. "Father, guard them from outside influences taking them away from me!" In Verse 12, He says I was keeping them, (Imperfect Tense) showing continuous activity in the past. So, While I was with them, I was keeping them in thy name: those that thou gavest to me.

    Then He says, I have kept, and here is a different word, PHULASO. Jesus said I guarded them so that they wouldn't get away from me, and I guarded so that no influences would come and take them away from me, and none of them is lost, not one, except the son of perdition; and perdition means destruction.

    John 17:13 - And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

    In the Greek, the word "my" in this verse is not the normal word for my. This is a Possessive Adjective, "mine joy." That is how it is literally translated. If he gives me His joy, He gives me Himself! He says it is mine. It is not yours, but I want you to be filled with it, (mine joy), the joy that is mine. And I mentioned this before, but the word joy means satisfaction.

    John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    Sanctify them through thy truth: literally in Thy truth, thy word is truth. Wow, that's a command! Sanctify them, in your truth.

    The word "sanctify" means to set apart, to separate. It comes from the word HAGIOS. When the Holy Spirit, and the word "holy" which also comes from the same word (HAGIOS) means separate, or set apart, but when the Holy Spirit comes into my life, my life is said to then be set apart for Christ. It is called sanctification.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    John (Part 32):

    John 16:27 - For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

    Interesting, because that is not the word AGAPE. And this is one of the few times that Jesus used the word PHILEO to talk about His relationship with the Father and the Father's relationship with us. Both times, it is PHILEO.

    For the Father himself loves you, PHILEO (family love), because you have loved me (Perfect Tense PHILEO), family love. Remember, He told them before I called you friends. We are family now. We are not rabbi and student, and you have believed that I came out from God.

    John 16:31 - Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

    Interesting, the word "now" doesn't mean now at the present time. It means "up till now." It is the word ARTI. Have you believed up till now?

    John 17:2 - As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    First of all, the Son is glorified in the Father, and the Father is glorified in the Son, and that the Father has given to the Son authority "over" all flesh.

    Literally, in the Greek text, He has given Him authority OF all flesh. There is no word "over!" It is a Genitive Case which shows possession. The Son has been given authority by the Father to possess all flesh. Every human being is under the authority of Christ. John Chapter 5 tells us that the Father has transferred all authority to the Son. We are to honor the Son equally as we honor the Father.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jesse

    A bit of information about the grk in John 21. About "phileo" and "agapao" both meaning "to love" in anc grk.

    Firstly Jesus was not talking to Peter in greek but in Hebrew. Is there such a distinction in the Hebrew language too? Personally I don't know.

    John in his gospel, John 21:2, is using "egapa" (past tense, 3rd third person), describing Jesus who loved John.

    In v 15 & 16 Jesus asks Peter if he loves Him ("agapas me?", do you love me?, question, third person). Peter answers that he loves Him ("philo se", I love you, first person)

    In v 16 Jesus asks Peter again if he loves him (question and answer both use the verb "philao")

    So it seems that at that time both verbs had the same meaning, for "to love".

    Going back in time the verb "phileo" is older than "agapao". The latter started to be in common use sometime during the 3rd century BC, although it can be found in Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). By the time of Jesus both verbs were in use for the same thing, it is obvious in John 21. Later on, "phileo" had been abandoned for "to love"

    Also, philia=friendship, philos=friend, philo/philao=also means "to kiss" (in both anc and mod grk), phili=kiss

    agape=love, agapao/agapo=to love (for all kinds of love), eros/erotas=in love
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Amen Brother Jesse!

    Phileo Love.

    The passage in John reminds me of Matthew 12:48-50.

    "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

    For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    Thanks and God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Thanks, brother Spencer.

    I'll be traveling back home from vacation on Monday, so I hope to be able to spend more time with these studies once I get back home. I have about a three-day drive ahead of me and should be home Wednesday. I'm glad you're enjoying the studies.

    Blessing to you also!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Biblical Greek Perspective

    John (Part 31):

    John 16:20 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

    Jesus says to them that they will weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice. He's talking about the crucifixion. The world is going to celebrate getting rid of Jesus. But they (the disciples) will weep and lament. And the world will rejoice and ye shall be sorrowful, and again, sorrowful is the word grief in the Greek text.

    Jesus is telling His disciples that they're going to be so pained, and that pain is going to be so deep within you that you can't even express it, but your grief shall be turned into joy. Jesus gives an illustration in Verse 21.

    John 16:21 - A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

    A woman when she is in travail, she has sorrow. And that is the word LUPAE, (grief), because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembers no more the anguish. And this is the word THLIPSIS that means stress, on account of the joy that a man or baby is brought into the world.

    So, He's using the proverbial expression that as a woman is going through her labor pains, and has not given birth yet, she's in excruciating pain, and that's the focus of the hour. But after the child is born, the joy of the child being born, just the almost, but not completely, erases all the pain of the past.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 29):

    John 15:3 - Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

    Notice the Perfect Tense "I have spoken unto you." In other words, it covers the entire three-year period. The Lord says you are clean through the word that I have spoken unto you. God cleanses His people spiritually through the hearing and study of His word. It is a very fascinating concept!

    John 15:5 - I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

    The word abideth is a Present Participle. Literally it is translated "The one who is continually abiding in me." It is a lifestyle; it is an unchanged condition. The one who is abiding in me and I in him, this same one, and I'll read it to you literally: is bearing much fruit: It is a factual statement! Not should bear fruit, but is bearing fruit.

    Jesus says the one who is continually abiding (MENO) in me, (that is a condition, a saved person), and I in him, this same person is bearing fruit. It is impossible to have the Spirit of Christ in you and you not bear fruit. Impossible!

    John 15:15 - Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

    From now on I call you not servants; (that is the word DOULOS for slaves), for the slave doesn't know what his lord or master is doing: but I have called you friends; because all things that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.

    John 15:25 - But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

    "They hated me without a cause."

    What is interesting in this clause, the last word "cause" is both the Hebrew and Greek word for "gift," to give something to someone without a cause, no reason for it.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 28):

    John 14:27 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

    It's interesting that Jesus said the peace that He gives is not the same peace that the world gives. And yet that's what we expect, tranquility, calmness, no turmoil in the physical realm. That is how we view peace. But that's the world's peace.

    The word peace (EIRENE), its root word means oneness or unity. It has nothing to do with feelings. How does this peace work? Paul taught in Ephesians 2:14 that Jesus Christ is our peace, and that has the definite article with it. Jesus Christ is "the" peace of us. He is our peace. What Paul is saying is that peace is a person, not a feeling, not tranquility.

    When I ask Him "Lord, I need your peace," what I am praying for spiritually is that I become one with him, that He's with me, and I'm with Him, and He's there to take me through. But it has nothing to do with feelings. Jesus said Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: Interesting in the Greek text where it says, "my peace I give unto you," it is not MY, it is MINE.

    The peace that is mine, I give to you, not as the world gives, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, again TARASO, agitated, neither let it be afraid.

    That is not the normal word for fear. That's the word for courage with the Alpha Privative in front of it. He says, "Let not your heart be troubled, neither be without courage."

    John 15:2 - Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

    The word "purgeth" does not mean to purge the way we think of the word. It would be better translated "every branch that beareth fruit, he cleanses it." The Greek word is KATHAIREI, and it means to cleanse, not purge. Some people see the word purge and they think it means to prune. But the Greek word means cleansing.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 27):

    John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Some of the Greek texts, instead of a command, it is the Future Tense. If you love me, (YOU WILL) keep my commandments. I find it interesting that everything in our relationship with Jesus Christ is based on love. Jesus says if you love me, (third class condition yet fulfilled), if you love me, you will keep my commandments. The reason why we don't obey Jesus is because we love something or someone else more.

    John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

    PARAKLETOS is the word for comforter. It is also officially in Greek the name for the defense attorney. And in Greek concept, it means someone or something that comes along side of you to help you. In 1 John 2:1-2, He is called the defense lawyer, PARAKLETOS. If you want to know what the prosecution is, it is HASETAN, The Satan. That is the official word for the prosecuting attorney, HASETAN. Your adversary!

    Please notice this: I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter. And the word "another" means another of the same kind. Another of same kind as He is! Notice this: in order that He may abide, (MENO) with you for ever;

    MENO denotes permanency. How long is forever? No end! Jesus is going to send another comforter, and He is going to abide in me, I am going to be a dwelling place (MONAE) forever!

    John 14:18 - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

    The word "comfortless" (ORPHANOS) is the Greek word which means orphans.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    John (Part 26):

    John 14:3 - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    Some people think that's the rapture of the church. Some think it's the second coming of Christ. I believe that it is the time when you receive Christ. He's leaving but He is coming back, that where Jesus is, we will be also. And where is the Lord right now? If you've received Christ, He lives in you. We are that dwelling place mentioned in John 14:2. We are that mansion!

    John 14:12 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    The phrase "Verily, verily" means establishment of a spiritual truth. He that believeth on me, literally (into me), the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    The term "greater," because there's many different views as to what greater means, and a lot of people want it to mean greater works in that you will do more than what Jesus did. It is called the Genitive of Quantity, not Genitive of Quality because there is no such thing. It is called the Genitive of Quantity.

    In other words, more greater works in the sense of there will be more of them because God is now (meaning at the time Jesus spoke these words) limited and located in the person of Jesus Christ, but when Jesus leaves and sends His Spirit, His Spirit will now indwell all of His people.

    And Jesus will be working through His people, thousands, millions of them all over the world, Genitive of Quantity. And He says, because I'm going to my Father.
  • Poppybrown75 - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Revelation:

    18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Thanks Brother Jesse.

    I remember a few years ago you spoke on this portion of scripture.

    Very insightful!

    God bless you!


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