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  • Bennymkje - 3 weeks ago
    John 15:1-2 "Signs: trees" (1 of 2)

    "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman./ Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away."

    Tree as a sign was given to Moses to which we shall come anon. Jesus as the true vine and 'my Father' who purges is the one who has broken off or grafted new to the vine. It is thus we need approach St Paul. Before discussing this purging what is the role of the sign?

    Validity of any sign is in terms of the everlasting covenant. Trees no less. In the matter of light and waters God separated them first. Light was different from darkness. Waters above was similarly different waters which symbolised nations. Wicked were like the troubled sea while "Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son" we can sense the same separation marks Israel and Jesus Christ. (Is.8:6). This covenant thus stamps waters below, quality of which is judged by God. God gathers together sea and the dry land is called the earth. The provision for trees as mentioned in the covenant has this characteristic. "Let the earth bring forth" is the divine command.(Ge.1:11). The next verse is how the Son fulfills it,"And the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." This is under the authority of the Son. The command number in third day establishes it.

    So Jesus Christ is the true Vine.

    "The Song of my Beloved is all about the vineyard. (Is.5:1-4) "Wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?"

    Ro.11:17-20This shall throw light in this passage the relationship of the tree in relation to the root."Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee." They were broken off for their disbelief. Their fruits or lack of it proved the point. "Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever."("forever"- Matt.21:19) So the fig tree that withered away is a sign.

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