The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Not sure? You did not reply to anyone, but we have Jesus standing on Mount Zion just in front of Jerusalem with the 144000 firstfruits unto God and the Lamb. Firstfruits are the first that is sacrificed, this is just after or at Jesus's second coming.
This is after the ten nations destroy Babylon and whoever has worshiped the beast and taken his mark will drink of the wrath of God, so this wrath is after the second coming, and he/beast along with all who have worshiped him and taken his mark the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever as we see in Revelation 20:9.
When Jesus returns there will be no rest until all enemies are put under His feet. Am I off base?
Brother, not sure about your post help me understand.
I was just emphasizing a portion of those verses that emphasizes everlasting punishment by the hands of the Lord.
( he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.)
Psalms 75:7-8. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.
God is Love but he is also a righteous Judge.
Torment is everlasting I believe because the heart of the wicked is everlasting and uncurably evil.
We have discussed my take on the Holyspirit restraining evil in
2 Thessalonians 2:6-7.
I mentioned that because man has no Idea how evil he really is apart from the restrainer/Holyspirit.
When the restraint on evil is taken out of the way you see a picture of man continuous rebellion even in the midst of torment in
Revelation 16:8-9.
I believe you and I along with others have discussed this in the past and I know we have different views on this however we respects one another view.
I believe Sasha had opposing views on this belief and was heavily engaged in these topics and later suze. Perhaps they're checking in from time to time!!
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Not sure? You did not reply to anyone, but we have Jesus standing on Mount Zion just in front of Jerusalem with the 144000 firstfruits unto God and the Lamb. Firstfruits are the first that is sacrificed, this is just after or at Jesus's second coming.
This is after the ten nations destroy Babylon and whoever has worshiped the beast and taken his mark will drink of the wrath of God, so this wrath is after the second coming, and he/beast along with all who have worshiped him and taken his mark the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever as we see in Revelation 20:9.
When Jesus returns there will be no rest until all enemies are put under His feet. Am I off base?
Brother, not sure about your post help me understand.
God bless,
RLW
Good to hear from you as always!
I was just emphasizing a portion of those verses that emphasizes everlasting punishment by the hands of the Lord.
( he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.)
Psalms 75:7-8. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.
God is Love but he is also a righteous Judge.
Torment is everlasting I believe because the heart of the wicked is everlasting and uncurably evil.
We have discussed my take on the Holyspirit restraining evil in
2 Thessalonians 2:6-7.
I mentioned that because man has no Idea how evil he really is apart from the restrainer/Holyspirit.
When the restraint on evil is taken out of the way you see a picture of man continuous rebellion even in the midst of torment in
Revelation 16:8-9.
I believe you and I along with others have discussed this in the past and I know we have different views on this however we respects one another view.
I believe Sasha had opposing views on this belief and was heavily engaged in these topics and later suze. Perhaps they're checking in from time to time!!
It's getting late Ronald,
Perhaps we will talk over the weekend.
God bless you.
God bless you.
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