Bible Discussion Thread

Jesus said "I will come again, and receive you unto myself" ( Jn. 14:1-3) v2 Jesus tells us "I go to prepare a place for you" v3 Jesus tells us "I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that ((where I am, there ye may be also)) Jesus said where He is there we will be also. In ( Mt. 24:29-31) v30 Tells us "and they shall see the Son of man ((coming in the clouds)) of heaven with power and great glory. (Where is Jesus in these verses? (COMING IN THE CLOUDS!) v31 Tells us "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall (gather together his elect) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (We are gathered together to meet our Lord in the air, in the clouds) In ( 1 Thess. 4:15-17) v15 Speaks of the coming of the Lord. v16 Tells us "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout" this verse does not say Jesus comes to the earth, it says He descends from heaven. v17 Tells us where He is! "Then we which are alive and remain shall ((be caught up together with them in the clouds)) ((to meet the Lord in the air)) We meet Jesus in the air, in the clouds. Remember ( Jn. 14:3) "that where I am, there ye may be also" We meet Him in the clouds. ( Mt. 24:40-41) v40 Tells us "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be (taken), and the other left. The word (taken) is #3880; it means to receive near, associate with oneself (in an fimiliar or intimate act or relation) to assume an office, receive, take (unto, with) Remember ( Jn. 14:3) Jesus said "I will come again, AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF" that where I am, there ye may be also" (IN THE CLOUDS). If we read the return of Christ riding a white horse in ( Rev. 19:11-16) We see He returns from heaven ((to the earth)) to rule the nations with a rod of iron. ((He returns to the earth))! Coming in the clouds is to gather together His elect, the church, His bride to be taken to the marriage supper of the Lamb. These are 2 very different events. Truth matters. Blessings

Hey Jimbob,

I know many see these verses as you, but if I may just give another understanding of John 14:1-6, we have had discussions and I think we respect each other, and both love the word and the truth. This was just before Jesus was going to be crucified and He said, "I go and prepare a place for you". In verse 2 He said in my Father's house are many mansions.

The Greek word translated mansion is #3438 monai, meaning; an abiding dwelling place and this word is only used twice here and in John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Abode is the Greek word monia.

When Adam sinned God could not dwell in man, Jesus was on His way to shed His blood and undo what the first Adam did so that God could again through the Holy Spirit dwell in man. John 14:17 Romans 8:11 1 John 4:15. In these verses, we can see the place prepared for us by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

I understand you look to be taken to heaven and I am just putting something out there that you may study. Jesus said I will come again, He was on earth when He said I will come again.

God bless,

RLW

Ronald thank you for your reply. Yes I feel we do have a respect Ronald, we should always be respectful to others in this group, I know you would also agree with that, and I do Thank you for that Ronald. But on this topic I think you are kinda getting away from the main point here Ronald. ( Jn. 14:1-3) v3 Tells us "I will come again, and (receive) you unto myself; that where I am there ye may be also". How can we as Believers in the Word of God being the truth, completely ignore all the verses that clearly tell us that Jesus will return (in the clouds)? ( Jn. 14:3) The words of Jesus "I will come again, and (receive) you unto myself" Now in ( Mt. 24:40-42) Jesus clearly tells us "the one shall be (taken), and the other left" The word (taken) is #3880; it means to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation) to assume an office, receive, take (unto, with) (Those who are taken are (received unto Himself) and will assume an office?) What is that office? It could be the bride of Christ, the church, the elect who will be taken to the marriage supper of the Lamb ((as the bride of Christ)) We meet Him in the air, in the clouds ( 1 Thess. 4:15-17) v17 is clear "We which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them ((in the clouds)) to ((meet the Lord in the air)) He does not come to the earth in this return Ronald, He comes in the clouds. Yes Jesus was on the earth when He said He will come again, but the Word of God will be fulfilled as it is written. He did not say that return would be to the earth, He did say "I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also" That would be (in the clouds) Also as Jema commented ( Acts. 1:9-11) v11 Tells us He will return in like manner as they saw Him go up into heaven. How did they see Him go? ((A cloud received Him out of their sight)) Thanks again Ronald. Many Blessings.

There aren't too many ways in which Acts Ch 1 verse 11 can be interpreted are there :) .

Hey Jema,

It is pretty much straightforward; He will come in like manner as He left. I think the like manner will be the cloud. Just me, but I think this cloud that took Jesus up and will bring Him back is the cloud we see in Matt. 17:5 and Rev. 11:12 and other places in scripture.

With Michael's shout and the sound of the trumpet of God, I don't think anyone will miss His coming. His landing from where He left will be a little firm and I am sure it will get attention.

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Ronald,

To add to your response I would agree that Jesus will return coming on the clouds, but also, and most importantly, He will return bodily, not as a spirit, but with flesh and bones as He showed to Thomas. There will be a difference in that His human body will be glorified, as Paul discovered on the road to Damascus, shining blindingly. But we will welcome His return and glorification as we, too, will be changed, our bodies, whether resurrected or alive at the time, will be glorified.

Jesus not only received a glorified human body upon His resurrection, but when He ascended to heaven He received back from the Father His eternal glory as the only begotten Son of God, in whom the fullness of deity dwells eternally. ( John 14:7, 10;

John 17:5) So, when He returns He will be most glorious. We will be glorified as humans, but He will be glorified as being both human and divine. How amazing it will be to behold Him in all of His glory and see Him face to face!

Hi GiGi,

Hope you and your husband are well, thanks for your reply, I agree Jesus will return bodily not as a spirit, the glorified body in which He was resurrected, as we will be resurrected, Phil. 3:20-21. This mortal must put on immortality, our spiritual body,

1 Cor. 15:44-53.

I know it will be amazing to see Him face to face and as we see in Revelation 21:22-23 the new Jerusalem on the new earth will not have a temple and no need for the sun or moon for light, for God and the Lamb/Jesus will be the temple and the light. John 17:5 I don't know if our minds can even imagine what that glory is, or what it looks like, but we will know when we see Him.

I wanna be there, don't you?

God bless,

RLW

Well Ronald

I am 66 and so I know that I may have 20 years left before I get to join all of the saints already with Him. But if He comes back before then, all the better.