Chris i disagree with you and David in the spirit of love...The bible is not the sole means to understand the scriptures....As the bible answers to the letter the lesser light....The bible ( the lesser light ) is the reason we have a zillion different Churches on every corner....rendering our world in deep darkness....Its only the Anointing the H.G. that God wants to give humanity that can teach us All things..... 1st John 2:27....Speaks of a New Creature COMING IN HIS NAME the ANOINTING the H.G....As the scriptures the letter is a killer....Its only his words that are spirit and life...Which is the H.G. That Child of Promise..Emanuel
that we receive of him and he abides in us and we need no man teach us....But this Anointing will teach you all things....And you need no man teach you....The gift of the H.G. WILL TEACH US ALL THINGS....He is our internal pastor that will lead us into all truth....Which is the manchild ( mans fruit unto God) The H.G. the Anointing....Thats y Jesus said abide in me and i in you....That good shepherd lives in us....Which is the Anointing the H.G. that wants to be married to us....Its the book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with his own blood that New Covenant in his blood that we need to focus on....We all love the bible with all our hearts but the BOOK in the right hand of the father trumps the bible the letter the lesser light....A killer....Eternal life is only in the living words of our lord....Which are living beings the Children of Promise.
2 Cor.3:6 ....He has made us able ministers of the NEW Covenant....Not of the letter But of the Spirit...For the letter killeth but the Spirit the H.G gives life....The Anointing.....Where shall we go lord thou has the words of eternal life....But we must be bornagain of his incorruptible seed (his living words ) b/f we can interface with his words of life...As our lord said these things are hid from the wise and prudent but only revealed unto babes....Not Paper and ink.
I had almost forgotten about Harold Camping. Listening to him on the radio I remember though, how convinced he was according to his calculations he concocted from the bible. He had a rather rudeness when someone disagreed and challenged him, and would consistently cut them off, responding with an, "EXCUSE ME!", then continue with his rambling ,and then disconnect the caller so that they couldn't finish what they had to say.
He actually spent quite a lot of money on billboards along the main S.F Bay Area highways, proclaiming the "end". The sad part, though, is that some very gullible, afraid followers made prior arrangements by ridding themselves of all their belongings, as they were convinced he was telling the truth. I now wonder how this may have affected these people in a negative way in regards to their relationship with God.
Dear One Eighty, That is the reason I included him in my post because his prophecies led many to make foolish decisions based on faulty prophecy. He is not alone in this. There are many others who have made incorrect prophecies about when Jesus will return. Jesus warned the disciples about this in several of the gospels when speaking of his return, "that many will come in His name saying, here he is" or other ideas about Him coming at a certain time in a certain place.
You may want to very carefully consider the verses below. If you are suggesting that God somehow speaks direct to us in a voice or a dream or a vision or a tongue once the Bible was completed, you are walking on very dangerous ground based on Rev 20:18,19.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Hiya David GBU....But David its not the written word that is God but the living word... Jesus is TH LIVING WORD....It was Jesus that made all things not the written word....Do you not remember that Israel was sola scriptura....Written word only....But Israel stoned all the Prophets and rejected the Christ....Jesus asked them 1 day which of the prophets has not your father stoned....But they knew the bible by heart the Torah....The written word cd not help David when he saw Bathsheba bathin....Thats y God wanted a new Covenant....A covenant that cd address and arrest mans adamic nature...Satans seat....Thats y we refer to the written word as the lesser light....a nite light....Its only Christ Jesus that is the living word THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD....But he warns us of a nite coming when no man can work...Bible only no H.G....That BOOK in the right hand of the father has not been opened just yet which contains the living words....Jesus words of life....Thats y it is called the book of life....The most important Book in the bible. Is that BOOK OF LIFE that Jesus wrote with his own blood....Jesus had to shed his blood at Calvary in order to give us these words of life....That New Covenant....The H.G. a baby Christ as that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the Children of Promise....An Israel of God which are Spirits....She brought forth a man child that is gona rule all nations....We be the woman the elect lady that are gonna birth these precious Children....LIVING WORDS.
......The Children of PROMISE....Much greater then written words....As the day is much greater then the night....Are there not 12 hrs in a day and 12 hrs in a night....When ya walk in the written word only no H.G.....you are walking in the night....David said thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path....But David stumbled...Bathsheba....The written word only....No H.G. the Child of Promise to lead him...Thats y Jesus had to die to bring in a N.C..A living being the H.G..GBU
I likely will not continue this dialog because I'm have difficulty understanding what you are trying to communicate. The impression I get is that you believe God is still speaking to mankind outside of the Bible, perhaps in a dream or a vision or a voice or a tongue. And that you believe we are to understand what God is teaching primarily from these extra-biblical revelations. Nothing could be further from the truth.
It is true that God spoke directly to individuals beginning at creation until very early in the New Testament period. As He was doing this God was actually writing His Word, the Bible itself; communicating His plan for mankind and the world, establishing His Law, and presenting His Gospel which is God's Judgment upon all of mankind for sin (our disobedience to His Law) and His Mercy in Salvation for His Elect (His payment for their sin and the inheritance that awaits them).
Once God completed the Bible, any direct communication to individuals ceased. And God very clearly set forth the command that we are not to ADD TO nor TAKE AWAY FROM God's Word, the Bible ( Rev 22:18,19). And He specified very sever penalties if we violate that principle.
Therefore, The Bible ALONE and in its ENTIRITY is and remains God's only direct communication with mankind once the Bible was completed.
God does declare in the Bible that He will open our understanding of the Bible, in accordance with His will and on His timetable, as we read and study the Bible applying the principles that He has established in His Word, the Bible.
May that be so in your life by God's Mercy and in accordance with His sovereign will.
Hi David....Lemme give ya my slant on the bible the written word....The lesser light....Its only Jesus that is the light of the world... John 5 :39...Jesus said to Search the scriptures in them you think you have eternal life but it is them that testify of me....Who testifies of Jesus ?...The living word the H.G....The anointing....The gift of God....David....it was the living word Christ Jesus that had to die to initiate a New Covenant in his blood....At Calvary....Not paper and ink....David WAKE UP ...God is much more then paper and ink..And God is gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh...like it or not... Joel 2:28 kjv....His Kingdom can only come by the LIVING WORD the contents of that book of life in the father's right hand....Behold the lamb of God taketh away the world....The bible in its self which is precious cd neva take away the sins of the world....Jesus is that Living Word much greater then the bible the lesser light..
....David Its not the bible the written word that died for the sins of the world....But the living word Jesus ...David there are zillions of bibles in this world...But this world is in gross darkness as Isaiah said....Darkness shall cover the earth and gross darkness the ppl...But we have millions of bibles....But without the H.G. the spirit we have nothin....There is no eternal without the H.G. the living word....That N.C. in his blood at Calvary.....David its not the bible that is gonna rule all nations with a rod of iron....But the manchild the H.G that spirit of truth that is gonna reprove this whole world of sin and righteousness etc...The woman giving birth to the manchild which is that spirit of truth the living word is gonna rule all nations.. Rev 12:10....Not the bible ...The O.C.
.....David when you say that the bible is God....You are in essence saying that God is paper and ink.....How sick is that....Stay away from ppl like Mr camping....Focus on the H.G. the Manchild that is gonna rule all nations..That N.C....GBU David
David, Agreed. We need to be very wary of anyone who claims to have revelation outside of Scriptures, especially if these words and ideas are at variance with what has already been revealed in Scripture. We also need to be wary of the religious sects that emerged as a result of people who supposedly received visitations, visions, and audible words from God. In the past few hundred years there have been plenty of these.
I can name some here to warn others:
Joseph Smith (Mormonism), Charles Taze Russell (Jehovah's Witnesses), Ellen White (Seventh Day Adventists); Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Scientists), Amy Semple McPherson (Four Square Gospel), E.W. Kenyon (Theosophist, Meta-physicist), William Branham (Pentecostal Healing, Latter Day Rain, Manifest Sons of God, New Breed, One New Man, New Apostolic Reformation), Earl Paulk, Oral Roberts (Healing) Harold Camping (False prophecies), C. Peter Wagner, (false prophet) to name a few.
Perhaps it is good for believers to check out many of the people who have been part of the prophetic, charismatic, pentecostal, Signs and Wonders movements of the past 200 years. This can be eye opening and lead believers to come to reject the teachings, written books, etc. of such false teachers and also the movements, sects, they founded.
I am not trying to beat up on anyone or any one group in particular. It is just those in these groups have produced so much of the error in the church today.
I would not include Harold Camping in your list. I listened to Family Radio and Mr. Camping for several years. He was certainly wrong about setting a specific date for Judgement Day and came to recant of the idea that we could know the day.
But he was very accurate in many of the his teaching and particularly in his approach to interpreting the Bible. He was always Vehemently opposed to any extra-biblical revelation of any kind whatsoever. And constantly taught that the Bible alone and in its entirety is the only word of God and is to be our ultimate authority. He was a faithful Bible teacher and corrected several of his teachings over time as he continued to search the scriptures.
Many regard him as a false prophet particularly those that remain in the churches. I absolutely do not. But he was not infallible as no Bible teacher is.
Hello David, I included Mr. Camping because he repeatedly set dates for Christ's return and they failed. So , to me that is a false teacher. I can say that I do not know more about him. So, thanks for the info.
that we receive of him and he abides in us and we need no man teach us....But this Anointing will teach you all things....And you need no man teach you....The gift of the H.G. WILL TEACH US ALL THINGS....He is our internal pastor that will lead us into all truth....Which is the manchild ( mans fruit unto God) The H.G. the Anointing....Thats y Jesus said abide in me and i in you....That good shepherd lives in us....Which is the Anointing the H.G. that wants to be married to us....Its the book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with his own blood that New Covenant in his blood that we need to focus on....We all love the bible with all our hearts but the BOOK in the right hand of the father trumps the bible the letter the lesser light....A killer....Eternal life is only in the living words of our lord....Which are living beings the Children of Promise.
2 Cor.3:6 ....He has made us able ministers of the NEW Covenant....Not of the letter But of the Spirit...For the letter killeth but the Spirit the H.G gives life....The Anointing.....Where shall we go lord thou has the words of eternal life....But we must be bornagain of his incorruptible seed (his living words ) b/f we can interface with his words of life...As our lord said these things are hid from the wise and prudent but only revealed unto babes....Not Paper and ink.
I had almost forgotten about Harold Camping. Listening to him on the radio I remember though, how convinced he was according to his calculations he concocted from the bible. He had a rather rudeness when someone disagreed and challenged him, and would consistently cut them off, responding with an, "EXCUSE ME!", then continue with his rambling ,and then disconnect the caller so that they couldn't finish what they had to say.
He actually spent quite a lot of money on billboards along the main S.F Bay Area highways, proclaiming the "end". The sad part, though, is that some very gullible, afraid followers made prior arrangements by ridding themselves of all their belongings, as they were convinced he was telling the truth. I now wonder how this may have affected these people in a negative way in regards to their relationship with God.
GOD IS
Blessings.
You may want to very carefully consider the verses below. If you are suggesting that God somehow speaks direct to us in a voice or a dream or a vision or a tongue once the Bible was completed, you are walking on very dangerous ground based on Rev 20:18,19.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
......The Children of PROMISE....Much greater then written words....As the day is much greater then the night....Are there not 12 hrs in a day and 12 hrs in a night....When ya walk in the written word only no H.G.....you are walking in the night....David said thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path....But David stumbled...Bathsheba....The written word only....No H.G. the Child of Promise to lead him...Thats y Jesus had to die to bring in a N.C..A living being the H.G..GBU
I likely will not continue this dialog because I'm have difficulty understanding what you are trying to communicate. The impression I get is that you believe God is still speaking to mankind outside of the Bible, perhaps in a dream or a vision or a voice or a tongue. And that you believe we are to understand what God is teaching primarily from these extra-biblical revelations. Nothing could be further from the truth.
It is true that God spoke directly to individuals beginning at creation until very early in the New Testament period. As He was doing this God was actually writing His Word, the Bible itself; communicating His plan for mankind and the world, establishing His Law, and presenting His Gospel which is God's Judgment upon all of mankind for sin (our disobedience to His Law) and His Mercy in Salvation for His Elect (His payment for their sin and the inheritance that awaits them).
Once God completed the Bible, any direct communication to individuals ceased. And God very clearly set forth the command that we are not to ADD TO nor TAKE AWAY FROM God's Word, the Bible ( Rev 22:18,19). And He specified very sever penalties if we violate that principle.
Therefore, The Bible ALONE and in its ENTIRITY is and remains God's only direct communication with mankind once the Bible was completed.
God does declare in the Bible that He will open our understanding of the Bible, in accordance with His will and on His timetable, as we read and study the Bible applying the principles that He has established in His Word, the Bible.
May that be so in your life by God's Mercy and in accordance with His sovereign will.
....David Its not the bible the written word that died for the sins of the world....But the living word Jesus ...David there are zillions of bibles in this world...But this world is in gross darkness as Isaiah said....Darkness shall cover the earth and gross darkness the ppl...But we have millions of bibles....But without the H.G. the spirit we have nothin....There is no eternal without the H.G. the living word....That N.C. in his blood at Calvary.....David its not the bible that is gonna rule all nations with a rod of iron....But the manchild the H.G that spirit of truth that is gonna reprove this whole world of sin and righteousness etc...The woman giving birth to the manchild which is that spirit of truth the living word is gonna rule all nations.. Rev 12:10....Not the bible ...The O.C.
.....David when you say that the bible is God....You are in essence saying that God is paper and ink.....How sick is that....Stay away from ppl like Mr camping....Focus on the H.G. the Manchild that is gonna rule all nations..That N.C....GBU David
I can name some here to warn others:
Joseph Smith (Mormonism), Charles Taze Russell (Jehovah's Witnesses), Ellen White (Seventh Day Adventists); Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Scientists), Amy Semple McPherson (Four Square Gospel), E.W. Kenyon (Theosophist, Meta-physicist), William Branham (Pentecostal Healing, Latter Day Rain, Manifest Sons of God, New Breed, One New Man, New Apostolic Reformation), Earl Paulk, Oral Roberts (Healing) Harold Camping (False prophecies), C. Peter Wagner, (false prophet) to name a few.
Perhaps it is good for believers to check out many of the people who have been part of the prophetic, charismatic, pentecostal, Signs and Wonders movements of the past 200 years. This can be eye opening and lead believers to come to reject the teachings, written books, etc. of such false teachers and also the movements, sects, they founded.
I am not trying to beat up on anyone or any one group in particular. It is just those in these groups have produced so much of the error in the church today.
I would not include Harold Camping in your list. I listened to Family Radio and Mr. Camping for several years. He was certainly wrong about setting a specific date for Judgement Day and came to recant of the idea that we could know the day.
But he was very accurate in many of the his teaching and particularly in his approach to interpreting the Bible. He was always Vehemently opposed to any extra-biblical revelation of any kind whatsoever. And constantly taught that the Bible alone and in its entirety is the only word of God and is to be our ultimate authority. He was a faithful Bible teacher and corrected several of his teachings over time as he continued to search the scriptures.
Many regard him as a false prophet particularly those that remain in the churches. I absolutely do not. But he was not infallible as no Bible teacher is.
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