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  • CountryJean on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Because there is no difference between Jew or gentile why is so much teaching to use rapture to say otherwise? We are all one in Christ. Jesus said we are not of this world. This is not His kingdom. He is ruling seated now. His work is finished as ours will at His return. We seek the new not the end of this one. Much deception leads and blinds Gods truth to those seeking by this twisting of plain truth. And churches seek to tickle ears to gain collections of support over Gods truth. Where are the real believers today?
  • Anonymous - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Christians are the seed of abraham through faith.
  • GIGI - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Dear Country Jean,


    It is not accepted, in general, by those of the Reformed, Lutheran, or Anglican/Episcopalian denominations, as they are generally amillennialists.

    Dispensational Premillennialism has gone through some revisions over the past 193 years. I suggest that people take the time to study this movement from both the angle of those who support it and those who give reasons they reject it as unbiblical. I have done this very thing over the past several months. Many people grew up with this teaching, so they do not question it. I understand that. For myself I was first introduced to it in my 20's and leaned towards that because I did not have resources to really study it at that time. But after about 10 years, I realized that this does not seem to fit Scripture, so I instead fellowshipped in churches that did not teach it.

    And now, 20 years after that, I have taken the time to really investigate it. I wanted to know if this theory has any merit according to Scripture. So I have spent the past few months doing so. I read from both sides, pro and con with my Bible in hand. There are just too many aspects of this theory that I cannot support it. But each person should do their due diligence to test this theory with openness and prayerfulness. If I had this information 40 years ago, I would not have been taken in by the little I knew of it.

    Country Jean, I am glad you brought this up. We should always be seekers of the truth in God's Word and be wary of any "new" teachings, revelations, etc. that become the "new ideas" for our faith. Just because something is new does not, in itself, make it incorrect, but there is long-standing consistent teachings across the church age that should also be examined before one takes the teaching of another. The witness of those in the church past are just as valid as any teachings of any person today. Those from the past had the Bible, just like us, to check their thinking against the revealed Word.
  • GIGI - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Dear Jean,

    I agree with you. The pre-tribulation rapture theory that was thought up in the early 1800, especially by John. Nelson Darby, didn't square with the millennial reign of Christ for a 1000 if the church was raptured out before the Tribulation. So, Darby had to come up with the ideas of two plans of God for two groups of people, Jews and Gentiles. Thus we get the teaching that the Jews are separated from the Church. Then this teaching led to the creation of "Dispensations" in order to interpret Scripture in a way that keeps the Jews and Christians separate.

    This teaching was first held and taught among the Plymouth Brethren, of which Darby was one of the founding members. This sect began Ireland and then moved to Plymouth, England where it began to grow in numbers. It has always been a very small sect where each fellowship was independent of others. It has been riddled with split after split after split since its inception with much dissension and angst between groups. Under Darby, one faction became a separatist group. And then this faction split again and again up to present day. The separatist faction is very strict about not mingling with those outside the group and have many cult-like practices.

    Dispensational premillennialism with the teaching of the pre-tribulation rapture began to spread when Darby and other founders began to travel outside of the U.K. This theory took off in the U.S. with the printing of the Scofield Bible that included footnotes that reflected dispensational premillennialist teachings. Soon, this theory spread all over the U.S. in congregations outside of the Plymouth Brethren until it became the prevailing theory among Protestantism.

    This theory came into existence in this setting. It is not a theory that has been a long-standing teaching of the church over the centuries. It differs from what is called "historical premillennialism" in significant ways.


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