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  • Levi
    A "church" is supposed to be a place where God's word is taught. Nowhere in the Bible does it say a building makes a church. The Bible also warns us of "Traditions of Men" and churches that teach and promote these "Traditions of Men" instead of the true word. The tools are available to us to fully understand God's word. Learn to "test" your "teachers" and never put too much trust in man.
  • Levi - in Reply
    Pharisees and scribes asked Jesus

    Mark 7:5- 9 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

    6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

    7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

    9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

    Any Philosophy that adds to or changes the word of God, the tradition/Doctrine of Jesus Christ is tradition/doctrine of Men, Easter is another example.
  • Doug - in Reply
    Levi, I don't know how you live your life, but I am yet to run into a Christian that doesn't like traditions. It is the traditions that require sacrifice that we seem to have a problem with. Think of all the traditions around us... Christmas, Christmas trees, Christmas gifts, wedding rings, walking the bride down the isle, graduations, senior night at the ball game just to name a few. Sometimes when we aren't the ones in charge of a church our minds can become contentious with things we would like changed and call them the "traditions of men". It is a blessing to be a peacemaker and submit to one another.
  • GiGi - in Reply
    Doug, I agree with you. As we raised our children, we created traditions for our family to build strong bonds and many shared memories. Traditions are not bad, per se. They serve a good purpose. God wanted the Israelites to always remember how He brought them out of Egypt miraculously sparing the death of their first born children and with a safe escape after a "Passover" meal. This tradition of the Passover Feast was to be continued indefinitely through the generations to be a yearly reminder of this great event that the whole nation shared together, from young to old. It is based on what God did and what He proscribed the feast to be like. No problem with that. There are also traditions in the Christian era that are worth celebrating, the death and resurrection of Jesus comes to my mind prominently. Each denomination has traditions that are peculiar to their sect, and some traditions are shared across denominational lines. These are not necessarily bad.

    It is when traditions are of pagan origin and celebrated as the pagans do where the line is crossed for celebrations. It is when the rigidity of the tradition quenches the Holy Spirit that makes it useless. It is when people substitute traditional practices for what is clearly proscribed in Scripture that these practices become an obstacle to learning and growing in the one true faith. It is when the traditions are done to honor certain men or women, either saints or former congregation members who have passed over to life eternal where it becomes idolatry. It is when a tradition causes strife or unrest in the congregation where it is destructive to the unity of the Spirit. It is when traditions are said to take the place of God's grace in saving one's soul that these traditions become another gospel. It is when traditions that are at variance with the Scripture are held up as "sacred" and a reason to not fellowship with other believers who do not hold to such traditions that the traditions become unloving.
  • Doug - in Reply
    Thanks Gigi, I appreciated your thoughts.
  • Levi - in Reply
    Yes Sir,

    Traditions of men, how they make void the word of God, Man's wisdom, philosophy, mans wisdom how it can throw you a curve, penalty can be read of doing so in 2 John 1:5: beginning in verse 5 I should say, where we easily can become a partaker of deeds; there's nothing new under the sun, we know from the book of Ecclesiasties where it tells us how we can be happy/blessed in theese flesh bodies.

    Most Holiday's have been perverted/twisted by man, take Christmas for example, Christ wasn't born in December, He was conceived.

    So it's the philosophy of man that have twisted traditions that we love and enjoy and partake in.

    I love Christmas, I just celebrate it differently since.


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