Does anyone know how to reconcile Jesus praying in faith and not having His prayer answered in Matthew 26:39 compared to Jesus saying with faith as a mustard seed you can move mountains: Matthew 17:20?
Surely Jesus prayed with perfect faith far more than a mustard seed, right?
GBU Adam but lemme say that Jesus was God in the flesh and all things were made by him in heaven and earth....He didn't need any faith....As he was God in the flesh ....Faith is only for folks who have an earthy FATHER...But Jesus had no earthy father thus he had no propensity to sin....All mine is thine and all thine is mine...He thought it not robbery to be equal to God his father....God Almighty instructs all the Angels to worship Jesus soon as he was born....When he was just a waahh waahh baby....God Almighty had already instructed ALL THE ANGELS TO WORSHIP HIM....He didn't need any faith...As Faith is only for us Mortals....Ya think that God Almighty needs faith....Noh Senior...Que Pensa...luv ya Adam.... Hebrews 1 :6..When he bringeth the 1st begotten son into the world he instructed all the angels to worship him.
Great replies from Chris, S Spencer, and Giannis. What comes to my mind, the scripture that agrees and tells me that when we come to the Father in a time of need, we have a mediator, a Priest who knows what we are feeling, one who has been there, one who knows what temptation feels like, one who knows the fear of death, but the only one who did it perfectly without sin.
Hebrew 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Jesus' prayer was answered, in Luke 22:43 just as He strengthens us when we are in need, facing things in our life we could not without Him, even if we are facing death, if we ask. I know times in my life He strengthened me and gave me the courage to endure, if not, I would not be here.
Do you know what you reminded me of with your post?
There is a sister in faith over here who during a very hard time in her life complained to Jesus. She told Him that He had no idea of what she was going through. She said He had no idea what loneliness is, what feels to be mocked at, to be abandoned, to be hurt and a lot more that I don't remember. As soon as she finished her complaints she heard His voice. "Don't I know what is to be mocked at?" At the same time a picture of Jesus being mocked at between the Pharisees went through her mind. "Don't I know what is to be abandoned?". A picture of Jesus alone without any support and help being hit and hurt by the Pharisees' servants went through her mind. "Don't I know what loneliness feels like?" A picture of Jesus alone in the dark room of His prison during that night emmerged in her mind. "Don't I know what is to be exhausted and hurt?" A picture of Jesus on the cross came into her mind. After all that the sister crying asked Jesus sorry for what she said to him.
I don't remember all the details exactly, but it is a real story. There is somebody up there who knows exactly how we feel.
So true, the wonderful works of God. What Jesus said in John 15:12-14, many things were going on in 1971, there was a song that came out, I'm sure Jesus was not the focus, but it hits a button, you may know it, if not it is You've got a friend by Carol King.
Lemme mention something while i am thinking about it bout our Salvation....By his stripes we are gonna be healed....Why was he beaten simply b/c it was prophetic of multiplication....When seeds are beaten they multiply faster and give a bigger crop....His CROP are Gods as he says to whom the word came his seeds it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken....Thats y Zech. is saying smite the shephard ( his stripes ) and the sheep will be scattered... Zech 13:7 Then i will turn my hand to the little ones....little ones is indicative of Multiplication ....I will turn my hand to the little ones....Take heed that you do not dispise one of these little ones....The Babes and sucklings are his fruit...An ISRAEL OF GOD OUR NEW INNERMAN THE H.G.....Remember the Woman will be healed in Child birth...Tim 2:15...which is the New Birth that produces a New Innerman the H.G. That Child of PROMISE...Thats y the scrip.is saying by his stripes we are healed....The very Kingdom of God is in this Child the H.G...Unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child .You will in no wise enter there in....Remember Jesus told the Greeks unless a seed falls into the ground and dies it abides alone...There wd have been only 1 Christ but b/c of his death he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven in multitudes thru his seed his offspring which are spirits....I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh....Thats that number that noman can number.... Rev 7:9 KJV ..Of all nations....Simply b/c when seed dies it multiplies....I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven...And God swore by his very self when he made this PROMISE...Thus there is a Baby Christ in our near future...Which is that Child of Promise the H.G....I WILL TURN MY HAND TO THE LIL ONES.. The Babes and sucklings our new innerman, our new heart and new spirit is a living being...The Granson the 3 rd person....An Israel of God...Remember Isaiah 49 is telling us about a heavenly Jacob that is coming the last day... TY Jesus
At the end of His prayer Jesus asked God NOT to do according to Jesus' Will but according to His own Will. Matthew 26:39 "...nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
So it is not a matter of faith but a matter of asking something that is according to God's Will. And His Will was that Jesus was going to be sacrificed for the salvation of people. So in that sence God answered Jesus' prayer.
1 John 5:14
"And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, he heareth us:"
Hi Adam. I don't see that Jesus was praying, in the sense of, believing or expecting His request to the Father to be answered in the affirmative. Jesus knew the reason for His Coming & to fulfil this Divine appointment ( John 10:15-18). Rather, I see the anguish of soul to His imminent crucifixion & bearing the world's sins, as the one & only hope for mankind's spiritual deliverance. Should He fail, there remained no other perfect Sacrifice that would satisfy the Father's Holy Demand.
I realise the Matthew reference does look like Jesus was unable to muster up enough faith (having to thrice approach His Father), but given His faith to accomplish anything He wanted, it would seem unreasonable that His faith fell short in this instance; rather His faith isn't in question here but His deep anguish as when a son seeks the ear & comfort of his father in a time of pain & hopelessness.
I've once heard a guy explain it like this; The prayer was for us to see that there was no other way but through the cross for man to be saved. Jesus himself knew.
He sort of done the same thing with Lazarus.
John 11:40-42 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. AND JESUS LIFTED UP HIS EYES, AND SAID, FATHER, I THANK THEE THAT THOU HAST HEARD ME.
AND. I KNEW THAT THOU HEADREST ME ALWAYS:
("BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHICH STAND BY I SAID IT, THAT THEY MAY BELIEVE ")
THAT THOU HAST SENT ME.
Man sin wasn't just excused, the penalty had to be paid for.
Thanks bro S. Spencer for that thought: "I've once heard a guy explain it like this; The prayer was for us to see that there was no other way but through the cross for man to be saved. Jesus himself knew."
I assume that the 'guy' meant that it wasn't only Jesus' actual prayer to the Father but the recording of it for our sakes that makes it pertinent to us; i.e. so that we might learn that it could only be through the Son of God that all hope for man's reconciliation to God would be found. I would never have considered it this other way, so thanks for that. Blessings.
I believe God answered his prayer in Matthew 26:39. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, IF IT BE POSSIBLE, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
"IF" it be possible may be the clue.
If there was any other way for man to be saved there would have been another outcome.
And later in Acts 4:12 Peter was able to say this "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
And also John in Revelation 5:2-5 "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
And I wept much, because "NO MAN" was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast "REDEEMED US" to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Jesus is our Kinsman redeemer.
No MAN in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book,
To be a Kinsman he had to be a Man,, "So Jesus took on flesh for the suffering of death."
Hebrews 2:14.
And to redeem us he had to be able and willing. He was the perfect Lamb of God. 1 Peter 3:18.
Hebrews 9:22-26.
I believe there was no other way.
There was no other sacrifice that would make it possible.
Surely Jesus prayed with perfect faith far more than a mustard seed, right?
Great replies from Chris, S Spencer, and Giannis. What comes to my mind, the scripture that agrees and tells me that when we come to the Father in a time of need, we have a mediator, a Priest who knows what we are feeling, one who has been there, one who knows what temptation feels like, one who knows the fear of death, but the only one who did it perfectly without sin.
Hebrew 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Jesus' prayer was answered, in Luke 22:43 just as He strengthens us when we are in need, facing things in our life we could not without Him, even if we are facing death, if we ask. I know times in my life He strengthened me and gave me the courage to endure, if not, I would not be here.
God bless,
RLW
Do you know what you reminded me of with your post?
There is a sister in faith over here who during a very hard time in her life complained to Jesus. She told Him that He had no idea of what she was going through. She said He had no idea what loneliness is, what feels to be mocked at, to be abandoned, to be hurt and a lot more that I don't remember. As soon as she finished her complaints she heard His voice. "Don't I know what is to be mocked at?" At the same time a picture of Jesus being mocked at between the Pharisees went through her mind. "Don't I know what is to be abandoned?". A picture of Jesus alone without any support and help being hit and hurt by the Pharisees' servants went through her mind. "Don't I know what loneliness feels like?" A picture of Jesus alone in the dark room of His prison during that night emmerged in her mind. "Don't I know what is to be exhausted and hurt?" A picture of Jesus on the cross came into her mind. After all that the sister crying asked Jesus sorry for what she said to him.
I don't remember all the details exactly, but it is a real story. There is somebody up there who knows exactly how we feel.
God Blessings.
So true, the wonderful works of God. What Jesus said in John 15:12-14, many things were going on in 1971, there was a song that came out, I'm sure Jesus was not the focus, but it hits a button, you may know it, if not it is You've got a friend by Carol King.
Thanks, and God bless,
RLW
Adding to the other posts.
At the end of His prayer Jesus asked God NOT to do according to Jesus' Will but according to His own Will. Matthew 26:39 "...nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."
So it is not a matter of faith but a matter of asking something that is according to God's Will. And His Will was that Jesus was going to be sacrificed for the salvation of people. So in that sence God answered Jesus' prayer.
1 John 5:14
"And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, he heareth us:"
GBU
I realise the Matthew reference does look like Jesus was unable to muster up enough faith (having to thrice approach His Father), but given His faith to accomplish anything He wanted, it would seem unreasonable that His faith fell short in this instance; rather His faith isn't in question here but His deep anguish as when a son seeks the ear & comfort of his father in a time of pain & hopelessness.
I've once heard a guy explain it like this; The prayer was for us to see that there was no other way but through the cross for man to be saved. Jesus himself knew.
He sort of done the same thing with Lazarus.
John 11:40-42 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. AND JESUS LIFTED UP HIS EYES, AND SAID, FATHER, I THANK THEE THAT THOU HAST HEARD ME.
AND. I KNEW THAT THOU HEADREST ME ALWAYS:
("BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHICH STAND BY I SAID IT, THAT THEY MAY BELIEVE ")
THAT THOU HAST SENT ME.
Man sin wasn't just excused, the penalty had to be paid for.
Jesus knew and by that prayer now we know.
God bless.
I assume that the 'guy' meant that it wasn't only Jesus' actual prayer to the Father but the recording of it for our sakes that makes it pertinent to us; i.e. so that we might learn that it could only be through the Son of God that all hope for man's reconciliation to God would be found. I would never have considered it this other way, so thanks for that. Blessings.
Not to say it's valid but it is provocative. I agree Jesus knew he was the only way and for this reason he come into the world as mentioned
John 12:27. Now is my soul troubled; and WHAT SHALL I SAY? FATHER, SAVE ME FROM THIS HOUR: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
( By this verse I don't think he was trying to get off the hook )
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
( By this verse he Know it was no other way)
Also
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
That's why I believe the focus is on "IF IT BE POSSIBLE,"
let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
If he prayed for an escape it seems he would contradict these other verses..
God bless
God bless.
I believe God answered his prayer in Matthew 26:39. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, IF IT BE POSSIBLE, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
"IF" it be possible may be the clue.
If there was any other way for man to be saved there would have been another outcome.
And later in Acts 4:12 Peter was able to say this "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
And also John in Revelation 5:2-5 "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
And I wept much, because "NO MAN" was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast "REDEEMED US" to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Jesus is our Kinsman redeemer.
No MAN in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book,
To be a Kinsman he had to be a Man,, "So Jesus took on flesh for the suffering of death."
Hebrews 2:14.
And to redeem us he had to be able and willing. He was the perfect Lamb of God. 1 Peter 3:18.
Hebrews 9:22-26.
I believe there was no other way.
There was no other sacrifice that would make it possible.
God bless.
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