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  • DOROTHY on Ecclesiasticus 23 - 1 year ago
    Dear sir/madam,

    I'm in a dilemma as to what happens to one's soul after death?

    Thank you
  • Adam - In Reply on Ecclesiasticus 23 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dorthy,

    The Bible says we will sleep until Jesus returns in the following verses and possibly more:

    1 Cor 15:18-20

    1 Thess 4:13-18

    Job 14:12

    Daniel 12:2

    This scripture debunks what the other people are saying about people NOT sleeping to await Jesus. I believe what God says over what man says. Don't believe what I say either, but just look at God's truth and decide. But when I read these verses and pray about it its 100% clear what it means to me.

    Those claiming immediate heaven may require ignoring these 4 verses and choosing only 2 scriptures and interpret them too broadly: (1) the one where Paul says he'd "rather" be with the Lord. Paul only states his preference. I prefer to be with the Lord too, but that doesn't automatically mean 100% of all people forever will skip judgement and be in heaven immediately. And (2) the verse about Jesus telling the criminal on this day he'll be in paradise doesn't automatically mean 100% of all people will have this, and doesn't invalidate the other 4 verses where it clearly says we'll "sleep" awaiting Jesus, and paradise is a different word than heaven and some think it might even be a place of waiting.

    Suggest just following the scriptures and praying for wisdom and understanding rather than believing any unscriptural opinions. God bless.

    The same topic is also discussed here and probably other places too:

    Link
  • Mishael - In Reply on Ecclesiasticus 23 - 1 year ago
    All souls belong to God. When we die, our souls are eternal. They go to one of two places; heaven, unto the lover of your soul. Or the other place.

    Ezekiel 18:4 View whole chapter

    Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    If you read the rest of Ezekiel 18, you will see that Satan is a hunter of souls. God is at war with him.

    Jesus went to the Cross willingly, to make payment for your souls eternal home with Him.

    Why not visit the Link: BECOME A BELIEVER

    out on the red landing page you came in these chat rooms on. It is a decision that must be settled before our physical death.

    May you find peace and safety in Jesus today.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Ecclesiasticus 23 - 1 year ago
    Dorothy,

    It was not a dilemma for the apostle Paul. In Philippians 1:21, Paul's philosophy was that for him, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. I like that!



    Paul says in Philippians 1:22, but if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. (That is, I do not know).

    In Philippians 1:23-24, he says, "For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more necessary for you.

    Reading through Verses 25 & 26, what Paul seems to be saying is that he really would like to go be with the Lord. Paul's life was not the kind of life that you want to stick around for, you know? Unless you like being in prison and creating riots, like Paul.



    But Paul says I really would like to go be with the Lord. It has much more priority for me and desire than here.



    Some of us have trouble giving up our life here for Christ because this life means "so much" to us.



    And Paul says for me to live is Christ. If I have to stay here, then that's what my life is going to be about, Jesus Christ, and to minister to those so that they can have a furtherance, or advancement, and satisfaction of faith.



    So he says in that you would rejoice in Christ for me coming to you again.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Ecclesiasticus 23 - 1 year ago
    This is interesting; I hadn't looked into that book before. There are two intersting facts; apparently the author himself stated that the Hebrew canon was complete and therefore this writing wasn't to be placed in that material. There is practical wisdom that seems ok and tied into scripture except for the lack of belief in judgment in the afterlife. Thus; they were apparently like the Sadducees not believing in the Resurrection.

    The clearest verse in scripture is "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." ( 2 Cor. 5:6). There are other verses such as Hebrews 9:27 stating that we are destined to die once then face the judgment. The distinction needs to be made between the body "qeber" in the original language describing the BODY and it's passions sleeping in the dust of the earth and "sheol" which is the underworld where all those who died used to go to until Psalm 68:18 and other verses show that "captivity was made captive."

    Christ's sacrifice allowed the souls of the rightous to leave the pleasant side of Sheol (such as seen with the parable of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16:19-31) and go to heaven ( 1 Peter 3:18-20). His preaching to the wicked was a declaration or show of victory along with the righteous souls released; many of which appeared after His Resurrection. ( Matt. 27:53). This was a sort of "first" of the firstfruits of whom we will be a part after our living Head Christ went first bodily to heaven.

    There are many other verses that could be quoted as well. Soul sleep just isn't scriptural.

    Agape; Rich P.



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