Jesus said he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the grave. The traditions of men have Jesus dying on the cross Friday night and resurrecting early Sunday morning. Most churches do the same.....why? Don't they go by the Bible
I'm aware also of the way they count the days. Day and night can fit either argument but at the same time it don't refute three full days, Nothing is conclusive. So we have to look towards the 2 Sabbaths. I haven't done much research on this but I will when I get off the road. but I will say Giannis view could be valid and also ours. The most important thing is Christ rose. However I'm curious. Any help in this is appreciated.
Yes. S. Spencer. It is often preached that Jesus died on the cross for our salvation, but often times the resurrection is preached as being an important aspect of our salvation, too.
I grew up with the tradition of the Last Supper on Thursday evening and the crucifixion on Friday and the resurrection on Sunday. And there were explanations given for what seemed like a discrepancy of time using partial days counted as one whole day. But as I have researched more, I realize that the annual Passover feast was the 15th day of the month in Nissan. It lasts for seven days.
So the 15th day of Nissan is a Sabbath but not on the 7th day of the week. Most likely Wednesday, as you state. There would also be a Sabbath on the 7th day that same week. And perhaps one on Friday, but I am not sure about that one.
So it seems that this month has a non-7th day Sabbath celebrating the passing over of the Israelites from death while in Egypt as they had killed a lamb, put the blood on the doorway and eaten the Passover meal before fleeing in the middle of the night from Egypt.
Jesus had the Passover meal most likely on Wednesday and was crucified on Thursday. Buried also. Thursday night Friday night=1 day; Friday night to Saturday night[2 days; Saturday night to Sunday dawn= 3 days.
I do wish that denominations who hold to the tradition I was raised in would change their teaching to match what is Biblically true. I think that some leaders in the Early Church were very anti-Jewish and did not want to acknowledge the truth about how the Jews celebrated Passover. But now we know better, and the church should make the proper adjustment to reflect truth.
Sorry dear GiGi, but actually you were tought the right thing.
Firstly the expression "3 days and 3 nights" is a Hebrewism (a Hebrew expression). It doesn't mean 3 whole 24hour days. Jews called "day" or "day and night" any portion of a whole 24hour day. So Jesus was really crucified on Friday morning. It was the first day (although not a whole day had passed by until Friday evening). Friday evening to Saturday evening was the second day. Jesus was resurrected on Sunday morning, which was the third day. So I repeat Jews considered as a whole 24hour day (day or day and night) any day even if that day was not a whole 24hour day but a portion of it. So Friday and Sunday although were not whole 24hour days, they were considered as such. So the early church was absolutely right. Historically speaking, christians started celebrating the christian Passover (or Easter) very early, sometime at the end of the first centuary or the begining of the second, that is very close to the time that those events took place, and apart from the written word they had in their possesion fairly recent oral descriptions of those events as well.
Sorry GIGi, nothing personal with you or other dear bros and sis. I actually appreciate your posts very much, but I thought it would be right to give some information.
Bruce i don't know if this can help you....But on the 3 rd day after he arose 2 of his disciples met him on the road to Emmaus and said this is the 3 rd day since these things began....And we had hoped that this wd be he that wd redeem Israel....And this is the 3 rd day...Little did they know that this was the very Christ that died and had risen again on the 3 rd day....And they dined with him and he was known to them by the breaking of bread....The 3 rd day....We are early in the 3 rd day now....Spiritually speaking....Maybe he has risen again and we just don't know it yet...Jesus said that the bridegroom wd come at midnight...Which is a time of darkness....ok gbu
The miscalculation is the sabbath day. Jesus had to be buried before the sabbath. (After 6:00 pm Friday starts the seventhday sabbath.) So some assumed Christ was buried Friday. But apparently they had another sabbath earlier in the week "perhaps Wednesday"
There's 4 sabbaths observed by Israel. This would put you in the area of this issue. Hopefully others can help.
I understand your why. Do we follow tradition or scripture? Jesus addressed the Pharisees on traditions. The verse I love that highlight it, is Matt. 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. It is the same with the wise men at the manger, and two of each animal went into the ark, and Jesus ate the Passover meal.
There are traditions and sometimes people defend them fiercely. We have some traditions with memories of family, friends, and loved ones passed down from generations. Tradition is for teaching and learning as the apostles did. On the other side, things can be added to, or changes made to traditions and become dressed as something else and take away or change the true meaning.
We must pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to show us what we should not participate in and what we do we do unto the Lord. My understanding is Passover day was on the 5th day of the week what is called Thursday. This day started at sundown on the 4th day, Wed. and on that day, the Lord's Supper, the garden, the arrest, taken to Pilate, crucified and died the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and He was put in the tomb before sundown, days start at sundown.
This would make the 6th day Fri. the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which John called a high day, no work could be done other than to eat, the reason the women could not go to the tomb until the morning of the first day of the week, the Feast of Firstfruits with two sabbaths Fri. and Sat. I can give the scripture if asked.
If Passover was on Thursday, how is to be explained John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." So according to John Jews had not eaten the Passover yet. In Mark 15:46 we are given a significant information "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (after Jesus died on the cross), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." If that day was Passover how Joseph was able to BUY that fine linen. Passover was holiday, no work to be done, no selling /no buying. So the Passover was to start that evening.
What day was that? John 19:31 gives us an answer.
"The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." It says it was the preparation day, the day beFore sabbath, that is Friday
Also see Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" In Greek Friday is still called Preparation Day ("Paraskevi hemera")
So we come to a question mark. The first 3 Evangelists say that Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples on Thursday evening. John (who writes his gospel last of all and as historians say when he was very very old, that is many decades after the first 3 gospels were around) disagrees. He places Passover one day later. So which one is right? John is right, he had no reason to correct the others if he didn't consider that he should do. So it seems that Jesus had the passover meal with His disciples a day earlier because He knew that He couldn't have it on the right day. So Passover and Sabbath coincided that year.
Many people call the Passover an eight-day feast, even in Jesus' day. Some say Feast of Unleavened Bread and some feast of Passover. Passover is on the 14th and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th -21st. In Matthew 26:17 it starts; Now the first day of the Feast of Unleavened BreadIn Mark 14:12 and in Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread when the Passover must be killed In John 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover this was after the Last Supper. The Last Supper was on Passover Day.
Passover Day is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Feast is the Sabbath, Exodus 12:16. On the 14th all leaven had to be purged from the houses and Jerusalem. This is the preparation day that is in scripture not Friday the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.
John 18:28 confirms the Passover lambs had not yet been sacrificed or eaten because they did not want to be defiled, they passed the blood of the lambs to the altar. This would be done after the sun started going down, any time after noon. This was going on at the same time Jesus was hanging on the cross. The Passover lamb was eaten on the night of the 15th the night they went out of Egypt, Exodus 12:29-32. Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.
If Jesus was crucified on Friday, we do not have three days and three nights and there are not that many days covered in Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday would be the Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the women could have gone to the tomb on Friday because it would be a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, So Thursday would be the only day of the week that fits scripture.
That gives Thur. day, Fri. night and day, Sat. night and day Sun. night Jesus rose before sunrise, John 20:1 it was still dark.
Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.
Matthew 27:62-64
"Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."
Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."
John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.
About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.
I did read your post to GiGi, I read all the posts. It is ok our understandings are different. Jesus fulfilled the prophets and the law down to the last dot. Jesus is our Passover Lamb that shed His blood and was resurrected from the dead on the same day of the Feast of Firstfruits.
My understanding is the high day that John called the Sabbath was an annual Sabbath that there are 7, not a weekly Sabbath. The Passover Day that Jesus was crucified on is a preparation day and is the preparation day in the verses you listed, all leaven had to be gone before sunset on the 14th of Nisan.
The next day the 15th was a holy convocation, a Sabbath, and that evening when they ate the Passover meal and God delivered them out of Egypt, the 15th, Exodus 12. The last day of this seven-day feast is also a Sabbath regardless of what day of the week.
My understanding is, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the first day of the week the same time people put up the Passover lambs. John 12:1-12 puts it 5 days until Passover when Jesus rode into Jerusalem. If you look at the activities of Jesus from the day, He rode in and when He is crucified in all 4 gospels you may find it will not get to Friday.
Again, I enjoyed the conversation, I am sure we both agree Jesus shed His blood for us and resurrected from the dead giving us our only hope of salvation and eternal life with Him.
You are correct to believe the words of Jesus rather then men, he was our faultless savior and not even guile was found in his mouth. The Jews do start a 24 hour day at "evening" or sunset, Gen 1:5"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." You will need to closely look at all the Gospels from Matthew to John starting around when Jesus and his dispels kept the Passover at the end of each Gospel, keep notes its tricky to keep track, each Gospel holds a piece of the puzzle.
More importantly Bruce I hope Jesus finds you perfect and without fault when he comes again. Have you obeyed his Gospel and his plan of salvation?
*Repentance - turning away from all sinful evil works.
*Baptism in Jesus' name - being completely submerged in water with the name of "Jesus" spoken of you for the remission of your sins. His name is the one you must be saved by Acts 4:12.
*Receiving the Holy Ghost - being filled with the Spirit of God and when this happens you "will" speak in a different language "tongues". John 3:8
But don't take my word for it take his, Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
See it happen for yourself in Acts chapter 2, 8, 10, 19, and 22. May the Spirit of the Lord be with you in your reading!! Halleluiah!!
Relative to the time you speak. The resurrection happened according too God the Father time line. Every word in scripture is vital. This question u ask, I am not sure of too this point and time. What is vital, is that, Jesus did die, and rose again!
Thank you for your reply. I did know that about how Hebrews counted days. That was how it was explained to me growing up. I may be wrong on this.
I'm aware also of the way they count the days. Day and night can fit either argument but at the same time it don't refute three full days, Nothing is conclusive. So we have to look towards the 2 Sabbaths. I haven't done much research on this but I will when I get off the road. but I will say Giannis view could be valid and also ours. The most important thing is Christ rose. However I'm curious. Any help in this is appreciated.
The most important thing is that Christ raised from the dead! The significance of that gets overlooked.
Go's bless.
In Nissan and rose Saturday night before sunrise Sunday morning. He never
Ate the Passover meal with His disciples because he was the Passover for all
Mankind. Work all four gospels in correct time sequence and you'll see.
I grew up with the tradition of the Last Supper on Thursday evening and the crucifixion on Friday and the resurrection on Sunday. And there were explanations given for what seemed like a discrepancy of time using partial days counted as one whole day. But as I have researched more, I realize that the annual Passover feast was the 15th day of the month in Nissan. It lasts for seven days.
So the 15th day of Nissan is a Sabbath but not on the 7th day of the week. Most likely Wednesday, as you state. There would also be a Sabbath on the 7th day that same week. And perhaps one on Friday, but I am not sure about that one.
So it seems that this month has a non-7th day Sabbath celebrating the passing over of the Israelites from death while in Egypt as they had killed a lamb, put the blood on the doorway and eaten the Passover meal before fleeing in the middle of the night from Egypt.
Jesus had the Passover meal most likely on Wednesday and was crucified on Thursday. Buried also. Thursday night Friday night=1 day; Friday night to Saturday night[2 days; Saturday night to Sunday dawn= 3 days.
I do wish that denominations who hold to the tradition I was raised in would change their teaching to match what is Biblically true. I think that some leaders in the Early Church were very anti-Jewish and did not want to acknowledge the truth about how the Jews celebrated Passover. But now we know better, and the church should make the proper adjustment to reflect truth.
Firstly the expression "3 days and 3 nights" is a Hebrewism (a Hebrew expression). It doesn't mean 3 whole 24hour days. Jews called "day" or "day and night" any portion of a whole 24hour day. So Jesus was really crucified on Friday morning. It was the first day (although not a whole day had passed by until Friday evening). Friday evening to Saturday evening was the second day. Jesus was resurrected on Sunday morning, which was the third day. So I repeat Jews considered as a whole 24hour day (day or day and night) any day even if that day was not a whole 24hour day but a portion of it. So Friday and Sunday although were not whole 24hour days, they were considered as such. So the early church was absolutely right. Historically speaking, christians started celebrating the christian Passover (or Easter) very early, sometime at the end of the first centuary or the begining of the second, that is very close to the time that those events took place, and apart from the written word they had in their possesion fairly recent oral descriptions of those events as well.
Sorry GIGi, nothing personal with you or other dear bros and sis. I actually appreciate your posts very much, but I thought it would be right to give some information.
GBU
Thank you for your reply. I did know that about how Hebrews counted days. That was how it was explained to me growing up. I may be wrong on this.
The miscalculation is the sabbath day. Jesus had to be buried before the sabbath. (After 6:00 pm Friday starts the seventhday sabbath.) So some assumed Christ was buried Friday. But apparently they had another sabbath earlier in the week "perhaps Wednesday"
There's 4 sabbaths observed by Israel. This would put you in the area of this issue. Hopefully others can help.
God bless.
I understand your why. Do we follow tradition or scripture? Jesus addressed the Pharisees on traditions. The verse I love that highlight it, is Matt. 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. It is the same with the wise men at the manger, and two of each animal went into the ark, and Jesus ate the Passover meal.
There are traditions and sometimes people defend them fiercely. We have some traditions with memories of family, friends, and loved ones passed down from generations. Tradition is for teaching and learning as the apostles did. On the other side, things can be added to, or changes made to traditions and become dressed as something else and take away or change the true meaning.
We must pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to show us what we should not participate in and what we do we do unto the Lord. My understanding is Passover day was on the 5th day of the week what is called Thursday. This day started at sundown on the 4th day, Wed. and on that day, the Lord's Supper, the garden, the arrest, taken to Pilate, crucified and died the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and He was put in the tomb before sundown, days start at sundown.
This would make the 6th day Fri. the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which John called a high day, no work could be done other than to eat, the reason the women could not go to the tomb until the morning of the first day of the week, the Feast of Firstfruits with two sabbaths Fri. and Sat. I can give the scripture if asked.
God bless,
RLW
If Passover was on Thursday, how is to be explained John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." So according to John Jews had not eaten the Passover yet. In Mark 15:46 we are given a significant information "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (after Jesus died on the cross), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." If that day was Passover how Joseph was able to BUY that fine linen. Passover was holiday, no work to be done, no selling /no buying. So the Passover was to start that evening.
What day was that? John 19:31 gives us an answer.
"The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." It says it was the preparation day, the day beFore sabbath, that is Friday
Also see Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" In Greek Friday is still called Preparation Day ("Paraskevi hemera")
So we come to a question mark. The first 3 Evangelists say that Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples on Thursday evening. John (who writes his gospel last of all and as historians say when he was very very old, that is many decades after the first 3 gospels were around) disagrees. He places Passover one day later. So which one is right? John is right, he had no reason to correct the others if he didn't consider that he should do. So it seems that Jesus had the passover meal with His disciples a day earlier because He knew that He couldn't have it on the right day. So Passover and Sabbath coincided that year.
GBU
Many people call the Passover an eight-day feast, even in Jesus' day. Some say Feast of Unleavened Bread and some feast of Passover. Passover is on the 14th and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th -21st. In Matthew 26:17 it starts; Now the first day of the Feast of Unleavened BreadIn Mark 14:12 and in Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread when the Passover must be killed In John 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover this was after the Last Supper. The Last Supper was on Passover Day.
Passover Day is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Feast is the Sabbath, Exodus 12:16. On the 14th all leaven had to be purged from the houses and Jerusalem. This is the preparation day that is in scripture not Friday the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.
John 18:28 confirms the Passover lambs had not yet been sacrificed or eaten because they did not want to be defiled, they passed the blood of the lambs to the altar. This would be done after the sun started going down, any time after noon. This was going on at the same time Jesus was hanging on the cross. The Passover lamb was eaten on the night of the 15th the night they went out of Egypt, Exodus 12:29-32. Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.
If Jesus was crucified on Friday, we do not have three days and three nights and there are not that many days covered in Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday would be the Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the women could have gone to the tomb on Friday because it would be a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, So Thursday would be the only day of the week that fits scripture.
That gives Thur. day, Fri. night and day, Sat. night and day Sun. night Jesus rose before sunrise, John 20:1 it was still dark.
I hope this is enough to make sense.
God bless,
RLW
Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.
Matthew 27:62-64
"Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."
Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."
John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.
About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.
GBU
I did read your post to GiGi, I read all the posts. It is ok our understandings are different. Jesus fulfilled the prophets and the law down to the last dot. Jesus is our Passover Lamb that shed His blood and was resurrected from the dead on the same day of the Feast of Firstfruits.
My understanding is the high day that John called the Sabbath was an annual Sabbath that there are 7, not a weekly Sabbath. The Passover Day that Jesus was crucified on is a preparation day and is the preparation day in the verses you listed, all leaven had to be gone before sunset on the 14th of Nisan.
The next day the 15th was a holy convocation, a Sabbath, and that evening when they ate the Passover meal and God delivered them out of Egypt, the 15th, Exodus 12. The last day of this seven-day feast is also a Sabbath regardless of what day of the week.
My understanding is, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the first day of the week the same time people put up the Passover lambs. John 12:1-12 puts it 5 days until Passover when Jesus rode into Jerusalem. If you look at the activities of Jesus from the day, He rode in and when He is crucified in all 4 gospels you may find it will not get to Friday.
Again, I enjoyed the conversation, I am sure we both agree Jesus shed His blood for us and resurrected from the dead giving us our only hope of salvation and eternal life with Him.
God bless,
RLW
You are correct to believe the words of Jesus rather then men, he was our faultless savior and not even guile was found in his mouth. The Jews do start a 24 hour day at "evening" or sunset, Gen 1:5"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." You will need to closely look at all the Gospels from Matthew to John starting around when Jesus and his dispels kept the Passover at the end of each Gospel, keep notes its tricky to keep track, each Gospel holds a piece of the puzzle.
More importantly Bruce I hope Jesus finds you perfect and without fault when he comes again. Have you obeyed his Gospel and his plan of salvation?
*Repentance - turning away from all sinful evil works.
*Baptism in Jesus' name - being completely submerged in water with the name of "Jesus" spoken of you for the remission of your sins. His name is the one you must be saved by Acts 4:12.
*Receiving the Holy Ghost - being filled with the Spirit of God and when this happens you "will" speak in a different language "tongues". John 3:8
But don't take my word for it take his, Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
See it happen for yourself in Acts chapter 2, 8, 10, 19, and 22. May the Spirit of the Lord be with you in your reading!! Halleluiah!!
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