Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • D W L on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Was Jesus a ventriloquist or is he the Son of God? I'm convinced Jesus is the Son of God)
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    OOPS Lemme clear my self.....I'm not saying that the Father was his own son....Not saying that at all....As only the son died not the Father...They are 2 distinct beings just as Abraham had a son called Issac so the father God Almighty has a son Jesus....But it grows, multiplies, Issac had 2 sons Jacob and Esau....Jacob have i loved but Esau have i hated...And the 12 tribes came out of Jacob...The 3 rd person the granson ...Then the nation of Israel came outta of the 12 tribes that became as the sands of the seas in multitudes....We serve a God of multiplication....And regeneration That was the great Promise i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven....speaking of Christ Jesus and his seed his words of that New COVENANT....Thats y the Sower has to go forth and sow his precious seed in humanity....Thats the world might birth a baby Christ an Israel of God...which is the 3 rd person the H.G. The Children of Promise....The babes and sucklings....His seed that is gonna be as the stars of heaven in multitudes.

    .....A number no man can number as the stars of heaven in multitude....so shall thy seed be.

    .....And we cannot forget Titus 3 :5 The regeneration of the H.G....Even the H.G. is gonna regenerate himself in humanity...Not by works of righteousness which we have done..But by the washing and regeneration of the H.G....We are gonna speak the Word making folks clean by the water of the Word....But his Words have the power to multiply, Regenerate Christ in us

    Every living thing on this planet is able to multiply itself after its Kind by its seed etc...And Christ has a seed to sow its his Word thus the babes and sucklings....Our new heart and new spirit...The H.G....That New heaven and new earth....is by his Seed

    ......My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN till Christ is formed in you.... Gal 4 :19 kjv..AGAIN implies a 2 nd time...Bathsheba had to travail a 2 nd time b/f the great king Solomon was born that God wanted to build the temple. the granson.
  • Alex N - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    What DWL is impling is Jesus was just a man the son of God....But not God the Son....Not an ABSOLUTE SON, Not God the son....Satan is behind his post....If Jesus were not God the Son an absolute Son...Then his Blood cd not be the Atonement for the Sins of the world....They are very clever in their doctrine....These J.W. PPL.....They always start out their conversations with we believe that Jesus is the Son of God....But they donot beleive that Jesus was God the son....Then they make all kinds of derogatory remarks about his Deity....Satan knows that if he can destroy Jesus as God the son HIS DEITY ....Then his blood was only a mans blood having no Atonement Value.... Acts 20:28 Feed the Church of God that he has purchased with his own Blood...The blood of Jesus/God... Hebrews 1:8 But unto the SON he said thy throne O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER....Don't ever think that satan is not clever....When one implies that Jesus was not an Absolute son...Not God the Son then he is impling that God neva had an ABSOLUTE SON....How sick is that....I salute Adam's post to DWL.

    ......Mans blood cd not atone for the sins of the world....It had to be the very blood of God ( Jesus ) Acts 20:28 ...

    ......Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....John the baptist
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    Maybe it is as you say Alex. I just couldn't read his post in that way, especially the bit about the ventriloquist. Maybe DWL could clarify in more detail the intent & meaning of his comment. I've read his many posts (mainly Scriptures shared), & found nothing wrong in his declarations.
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    I feel that I should write something here. In spite how we may perceive your comment DWL, you've been on this Site long enough for me to believe that your comment was not to belittle Christ in any way but to state how some unbelievers might perceive this Divine Voice from Heaven. Just thought to throw that in - my view at least.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi DWL.

    When we think of any father and son relationship we only can relate to it as fleshly beings. And we're bound by certain laws such as physics, laws of reproduction "Male and female " ect..

    But God being a spirit and having no locality and no laws of any sort, who can understand?!! We only can take what the scripture says directly, God with us. Mathew 1:23.

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

    And Paul said who are thou Lord? "Only knowing of the Father" Notice the response.

    Acts 9:4-5. And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

    And he said, WHO ART THOU, LORD?.. "And the Lord said,".. I AM JESUS whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

    WHO art thou Lord?

    We know Paul wouldn't be intended to ask Jesus who art thou. His intentions was to address the Father. Jesus answered him according to that.. I AM JESUS WHOM THOU PERSECUTEST.
  • D W L - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
  • GiGi - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    Dear DWL,

    Jesus was not using ventriloquism for the times there was a voice from heaven speaking so men could hear. It was His Father speaking from heaven. For Jesus to use ventriloquism would be sinning on his part because He would be the one tricking people into believing that the voice was His Father when it was his own, thus being deceptive. But Jesus never sinned. He never deceived anyone in any way. He is the Son of God the Father, being one with Him , equally God in essence and eternally alive in existence.
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Adam Gbu for that post....
  • Adam - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 1 year ago
    Let's see what else God's Word has to say in regards to your snarky comment against Jesus.

    A few verses before in 2 Peter 1:11 it says "Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." Do you believe Jesus is your Lord and Savior?

    Do you know what "Lord" means?

    The same old straw man fallacy shows up again that God the Son isn't God the Father, but no one is claiming that. This attack on Jesus is repeated so much it seems to fall into the disingenuous and lie territory.

    God is powerful enough to do what you don't comprehend as a man. Whether you comprehend that or not doesn't change reality or the truth. The Bible says that in John 1 the 'word was God' and was there at the beginning, so do you believe it?

    More of God's truth about God:

    Luke 4:34 - "Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God."

    Luke 4:12 after satan put Jesus to the test Jesus says "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."

    Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

    Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD..."

    Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name..."

    Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

    Godhead:

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    John 1:18

    God is we and us plural:

    Genesis 1:26

    If the Bible flat out said Jesus is God like it does would you believe it?

    Where are the verses that say Jesus isn't God the Son? (none)

    Where are the verses saying Jesus IS God the Son (above, numerous)

    And where are the verses where Jesus verbally denied being God? (none)

    "I AM" John 8:56-59

    John 10:30

    John 8:19

    Philippians 2:5-8

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    John 1:3

    Matthew 28:19

    1 Peter 1:2

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    John 14:10

    John 20:28

    1 John 2:22-24

    Matthew 1:23-25

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:29

    Romans 1:20

    Isaiah 7:14

    Hebrews 1:8

    Isaiah 44:6

    Isaiah 43:11

    John 17:5

    John 17:21



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