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  • Paul - 1 year ago
    But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: ( Titus 2:1)

    We are saved by grace through faith.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)

    And Jesus said the to woman who anointed His feet,

    And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. ( Luke 7:30)

    But James teaches,

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)

    Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:17)

    Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ( James 2:18)

    Therefore, James and Paul contradict.

    And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. ( Romans 11:6)

    Consequently, we are saved by both faith and works, which says both James and Paul are inspired and not one over the other.

    And Christ's apostles will judge

    when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
  • Postmyers567 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    good stuff brother

    James 2:18 To this the apostle replies, that the two things referred to, faith and works, were not independent things, which could exist separately, without the one materially influencing another--as, for example, charity and chastity, zeal and meekness; but that the one was the germ or source of the other, and that the existence of the one was to be known only by its developing itself in the form of the other. A man could not show that he possessed the one unless it developed itself in the form of the other. In proof of this, he could boldly appeal to any one to show a case where faith existed without works. He was himself willing to submit to this just trial in regard to this point, and to demonstrate the existence of his own faith by his works.

    Shew me thy faith without thy works. That is, you who maintain that faith is enough to prove the existence of religion; that a man may be justified and saved by that alone, or where it does not develope itself in holy living; or that all that is necessary in order to be saved is merely to believe. Let the reality of any such faith as that be shown, if it can be; let any real faith be shown to exist without a life of good works, and the point will be settled. I, says the apostle, will undertake to exhibit the evidence of my faith in a different way-- in a way about which there can be no doubt, and which is the appropriate method. It is clear, if the common reading here is correct, that the apostle meant to deny that true faith could be evinced without appropriate works. It should be said, however, that there is a difference of reading here of considerable importance. Many manuscripts and printed editions of the New Testament, instead of without [works--cwriV], read from or by, (ek,) as in the other part of the verse, "show me thy faith by thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works." This reading is found in Walton, Wetstein, Mill, and in the received text generally;
  • Doug - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Agree without the thought. Another way of putting it. Do we have to respond to God to be saved? I would call that works. By the works of the law no man is justified, but Christians do the works of Christ.
  • Paul - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thank you for your input.

    To be saved by grace would mean God decides our salvation, not us.

    For we can't save ourselves but we must try believing grace will abound.

    And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: ( Revelation 2:26)

    Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ( James 4:7)

    To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, ( Revelation 2:7)

    Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. ( James 1:12)

    The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us ( 1 Peter 3:19-21)

    Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. ( Galatians 6:2)



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