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16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
These two verses distinguished that Christ came to the lost Jews and that Apostle Paul is chosen by Jesus Christ to be our (i.e. Gentiles') Apostle. Do any of the readers see the big differences here? I have noticed that most comments everywhere forgot to divide the word of truth ( 2 Timothy 2:15). Do you believe in the dispensation?
I tend to understand the word dispensation by the definition of: the act of distributing. So, when Paul was using the word, He is speaking of the giving forth of the Gospel, not necessarily a period of time distinct from another period of time.
Also, Paul was not the 12th apostle, Mattias, was. (See Acts chapter 1)
I also believe that God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, and eternally so. So, I do not believe that He respecter of persons, other than choosing out Abraham's lineage through Isaac to be a nation that He specially uses to reveal to all humanity Himself and His will through the ages. That is why the O.T. is considered to be God-inspired and useful to those who follow Him in the ways spoken in 2 Timothy 3:14-17.
Let the verses speak for itself.
Acts 1:26
And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
"Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Galatians 1:1 KJV
There is no death in Jesus Christ. The believers have given eternal life. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ. He is no longer an Apostle. Apostle Paul is chosen by Jesus Christ. Mathias was chosen by men. Why do you think it is written every 1st verse in Paul's epistles that he is the Apostle of Jesus Christ? Mathias disappeared after the 11 apostles casted lots. No where in the Bible account of his whereabouts or any epistle written by Mathias. Make no mistake Jesus knows His Apostles. Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. Thank you.
Judas Iscariot, with the other eleven, were never apostles while they travelled around with Jesus. They were called Disciples (i.e. a student, a follower of a Rabbi or teacher). They were only known as Apostles after Jesus died, arose from the grave, & He sent them out into the world. Apostle, means 'one sent out; a messenger'.
After Judas Iscariot died, Matthias was appointed as his replacement & this appointment was from God ( Acts 1:24-26, i.e. the eleven prayed asking God to direct them to this new disciple). So, men did not choose Matthias, God did by their casting of lots. And this had to be, as Peter declared, by referring to the fulfilment of Psalm 41:9; Psalm 69:25 and Psalm 109:8.
True, we don't hear of Matthias, but the lack of information doesn't mean that he just disappeared & went back to his occupation, or whatever else. We don't hear again of several of the other disciples either after Acts 1:13.
Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ. As was Apostle Barnabas ( Acts 14:14), James (the Lord's half-brother; Galatians 1:19), possibly Timothy & Silas ( 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 1 Thessalonians 2:6, if Paul was using 'we' to refer to them as apostles as well). And Paul often had to emphasize his apostleship to the Churches, & even defend it, as believers were being seduced to believe otherwise (as much of 2nd Corinthians indicate).
So, from what we read in the Scriptures, Matthias was the twelfth disciple, being an apostle, & subsequently, Paul & others were either called by the Lord to apostleship, or considered as apostles because of their ministry of getting the Gospel out.
To that of course, I can't argue; if one truly believes that they are led to believe what Scriptures are revealing on a matter, then one should be persuaded accordingly. Unfortunately, for me to reach that level, I must first seek to understand what the Scriptures are saying (e.g. on the twelfth apostle matter). If there are sufficient verses that bring clarity on it, then I don't seek any further 'inspiration', as nothing else is needed. If however, the Scriptures are not totally clear to me (e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:29, on the "baptism for the dead"), I may have a basic understanding of what the apostle is referring to, but in the absence of any further Scriptures on that event, I have to hold my thoughts & tongue to allow the Spirit to help me in my quest for His Interpretation. To date, the options on that verse remain unchanged for me, so I wait.
But on the Acts 1:26 matter, to my understanding, & hence belief, the matter is clear & settled from the many Scriptures given. Anyway, I think this subject is now closed with us, but thought to share how I approach, accept, & understand what God's Word says to me. Blessings.
I love our discussions despite different approaches. I seldom find someone open and calm to discuss very simple yet very important issue in the Bible. I know all of us here love the Lord Jesus Christ. We may say something that it may hurt someone, and I myself is capable in doing so. But I know and understand we are still in our corruptible body susceptible for errors and mistakes. In addition, I tried to see what others say in a cup half full than cup half empty. That to me avoid vain babbling and put anyone in a stumbling block. Anyway, I leave you and our fellow believers with these verses: For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. Rejoice evermore. Agape.
My opinion about 1 Corinthians 15:29 "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?"
My belief is that it talks about baptism in water in the name of Jesus. Be patient and I will explain myself.
Firstly lets read what the scripture says about baptism in water (what it really symbolizes)
Colossians 2:12
"Buried with him (Jesus) in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."
Romans 6:3-7
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (Baptism in greek means immersion, submersion)
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin."
One may argue that the above verses are not about baptism in water, but for me their is no doubt.
So Baptism in water symbolizes burial of our old sinful person in the grave (of the water tank) and the rising up (resurrection of) a new person ready to follow a new holly life, exactly like Jesus was burried after crucifixion and was raised up from the dead.
But if Jesus was never resurrected from the dead, baptism would be in the name of a dead Jesus, that is in the name of the dead/for the dead. Ther isn't any benefit for us in such a case. If Jesus was never resurrected, we are still in our sins and we have no eternal life.
GBU
I respectfully do understand your point of view. This topic as we know had been discussed and debated for sure many many times in the past. What men learned from history is that men never learned. We are where we are today because of men doing. I simply have chosen the path of God through prayers and supplications and daily Bible reading to feed my soul. Anyone can do the same or follow what men said in the past. We are in the last days. God needed strong soldiers who would follow God's will, please God and not men.
I strongly follow the path of God. I humbly can say am very appreciative of the outcome thus far. I have no authority to make or even attempt to persuade someone to believe what I believe. God knows we ought to believe ONLY God. I took all readings seriously when God opened my heart and mind to the truth. In my own experience I took everything seriously anyway as if I am serving God. He gave me a job to understand the beginning and ending of any transaction. I became a Corporate Auditor of one of the three biggest companies in the world. I say this not to brag or convinced anybody but to magnify how serious we (all) need to be when it comes to making any conclusion. Times are tough. We listen to all men you will be frustrated time and time again. Don't get me wrong. I love to listen to ALL men and women. They all have very great things to say. But ultimately, I have chosen to listen to God. God never fail. Now I can assured you that my paths were not pretty here on earth, because I am still in my corruptible fleshy filthy body. Now I just simply walk in spirit as we are told to do by God. Very difficult I must say but we must do in order to carry on the will of God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
So applying prudent logic in choosing my conclusion, I simply read all given facts presented to humanity. The entire Bible is so magnificent book to read. The truth is presented to us.. Let the Holy Spirit guide us.
There have been discussions such as this in recent months. People differ in their understanding on this. I, personally, believe that Jesus came for me, and you, and the Jew, and the Gentiles. His words are for all people, not just for the Jews. I do not elevate Paul as my singular apostles above the other apostles, nor above Jesus. If Jesus came only for the Jews, then His sacrificial death and resurrection was only for the Jews and Paul is appropriating this salvific work for the Gentiles without merit.
But, I do not believe that. I believe He is the promised Savior of Genesis 3:15 and saved all who believe in Him. He sent the Holy Spirit to all of the apostles at Pentecost, long before Paul became an apostle. The body of Christ existed before Paul became an apostle. he joined the other apostles when he was called to preach the same gospel as these other apostles to the Gentiles. The Gospel of Christ IS the gospel Paul preached. They are the same. There are not two gospels, one for Jews and one for Gentiles, in my opinion.
Well, this is my understanding on this topic, since you sought what others think about this topic.
I truly appreciate your response. I am also happy that we can discuss the truth according to the word of God, KJV Bible. I really do agree with what you said that Jesus came to save all of us. So as the apostle Paul. That is why he wrote the gospel according to the scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. There is none that indicated in my explanations that Paul has a different Gospel than Jesus Christ. I simply stated that these two verses distinguishes one from the other (i.e. between v8 and v16). Come to think of it. It makes it more amazing that God is a God of number. It multiplies the 8 by 2 and you have verse 16. Anyway, I digressed. It also amazes me that in Matthew 15:24 Jesus said that. I know every word in the Bible is very important, especially inspired by God. There is no way one can understand the Bible without dividing the word of truth per 2 Timothy 2:15. That is why I study very hard. Because Jesus Christ personally selected Paul to be His last disciple, Jesus revealed to Paul more information for us Gentiles. Something that Jesus did not reveal to other Apostles. Peter even agreed that some of Paul's epistles are hard to understand. But in the end Peter agreed with Paul. I am trying not to repeat myself in every comment entry I have here. With my 60 years experienced in the world, my professional job is really not to confused people. I have noticed some understand but not many see the truth. That is why I made my comment a stimulating discussions. I truly understand your point. I also can see why people get confused on the passages. I truly believed there is a dispensation in the word of truth. For example, why do you think Jesus Christ said to His disciples in Matthew 10:5-6 to not go to Gentiles but to the lost sheep of Israel? Then in the last two verses in Matthew 28 He said to go to all Nations? If there is no dispensation, one would say Jesus is contradicting Himself. But we know God better than that. Don't we?
working in the law although they were operating GODS GIFT OF GRACE. The APOSTLE PAUL WAS SPECIFICALLY GIVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONE BODY IN CHRIST Ephesians 3:1-9 also Colossians 1;25-29. Thats why Romans through thessalonians
is the complete knowledge of the operation of the church in the grace administration or age.
To make a statement that Paul alone had the teaching of the Body of Christ is to argue from the point of absence of extant recordings of what the other apostles taught. We do not know what they taught, so we cannot definitively say they did or did not have the fullness of information that Paul also received from the Lord.
Praise and glory to God. 1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man do account of us, as of the ministers of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Let us grow in Charity and grace in One BODY OF CHRIST. Agape.
renew our minds to the doctrine reproof and correction of the church epistles and believe Ephesians 4:1-6 it would be
spiritually a new day and time. There were no denominations in the book of acts and what Paul was always spiritually
fighting was unbelief in the body of christ due to people walking by the flesh and picking each other apart instead of
walking 1 corinthians 13. So we endeavor to walk Agapeo which is the highest calling. Love in Christ
Paul was linguistically gifted both in oratory and written expression. He was also gifted with zeal for God and a strong commitment to live for Him, even before He met Jesus on that road to Damascus. God provided Paul with all of these things because He had pre-ordained that Paul would be the one to evangelize the known world (Mediterranean/Roman region) at that time. The world at that time was hellenized, learned, literate, and intellectual. So, an evangelist to the Gentile regions would need to have just the skill set, intellect, fervor, and courage as Paul possessed, along with the faith and grace given to him at conversion. So, historically, this may be why so much of his writings were preserved, dispensed to the various churches of the time, and thus included in the canon of the N.T.
I believe that God, in His wisdom, decided that Paul's writings included most of what He wished to be taught to the church, even if the other apostles taught the same things, and therefore, had mostly Paul's writings chosen for inclusion in the N.T. canon.
This does not mean that the other apostles were deficient in knowledge or what they delivered in their preaching and teaching. It just shows that God was (and is) guiding His church from the time of Jesus' calling of the 12 disciples on. We are benefactors of what all of the apostles preached. Some went to India, others to Egypt and Northern Africa, some went east, etc.
But to end this post, I think we all need to recognize when something we state is directly stated in the Bible and when something we stated is our opinion/assumption of how we interpret/understand what is stated or unstated in the history and writings of the early church.
I, too, have been following the Lord for all of my life. I am 65 years old. I cannot remember a time when I did not believe. God's calling upon me was from a very young age. Thanks for your response to me.
I have just one thing to address from your response:
You stated that Paul had more information and knowledge of the Gospel than the other apostles had. I do not concur. I know that Jesus told the disciples that the Holy Spirit would bring to remembrance in them all that He taught them. (I couldn't find the verse-this was after His resurrection, I believe.) I do not recall anywhere in the Scriptures where it says that there was this great difference in knowledge and understanding of the gospel between Paul and the other apostles.
So, therefore, what you state concerning this is really an opinion and/or assumption. And to be fair, as is my view that since Jesus said the Holy Spirit would bring all He had taught them to remembrance and He sent them out to spread the Gospel to all nations long before Paul was called to be an apostle, then Jesus would have taught them all that He taught Paul, because the Holy Spirit would faithfully teach these apostles ALL they needed to know to spread the gospel, just as Paul was taught by Jesus ALL the same things He taught the apostles. God does not have a divided mindset concerning this.
We are blessed to have so much Scripture written by Paul. Unfortunately, we do not have much Scripture written by the other apostles or scribed from their preaching. Most of these that were authentic to the apostles were lost early on. But I do believe that if we had them, they would reveal that each of the apostles had as complete and knowledgeable understanding of the Gospel as Paul had received. I think that Paul was blessed with many "natural" intellectual gifts. He was highly intelligent and skilled at presenting viewpoints, arguments, and didactic teaching. He was well trained to a very high educational level.....
All Scripture. This properly refers to the Old Testament, and should not be applied to any part of the New Testament, unless it can be shown that that part was then written, and was included under the general name of the Scriptures. Comp. 2Pe 3:15-16. But it includes the whole of the Old Testament, and is the solemn testimony of Paul that it was all inspired. If now it can be proved that Paul himself was an inspired man, this settles the question as to the inspiration of the Old Testament.
Thank you for your response.
I know based on KJV Bible, Paul is not only an inspired man he is chosen by THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF as the last Apostle.
"Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God," Romans 1:1 KJV
"Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, ." 1 Corinthians 1:1 KJV
"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,." 2 Corinthians 1:1 KJV
"Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Galatians 1:1 KJV. You may wonder why every first verse of Paul epistle wrote that's he is an apostle of Jesus Christ. I think you get the gist that Paul holds the important messages for us today. In my opinion ALL are indeed inspired by God. Agape.
Wow I agree everything you said. You just explained it in detailed. Thank you. Agape.
Verse 26. Unto you first. To you who are Jews. This was the direction that the gospel should be first preached to the Jews, beginning at Jerusalem, Lu 24:47. Jesus himself also confined his ministry entirely to the Jews.
Having raised up. This expression does not refer to his having raised him from the dead, but is used in the same sense as in Ac 3:22, where God promised that he would raise up a prophet, and send him to teach the people. Peter means that God had appointed his Son Jesus, or had commissioned him to go and preach to the people to turn them away from their sins.
To bless you. To make you happy; to fulfil the promise made to Abraham.
In turning away. That is, by his preaching, example, death, etc. The highest blessing that can be conferred on men is to be turned from sin. It is the source of all woes; and if men are turned from that, they will be happy. Christ blesses no one in sin, or while loving sin, but by turning them from sin. This was the object which he had in view in coming, Isa 59:20; Mt 1:21. The design of Peter in these remarks was to show them that the Messiah had come, and that now they might look for happiness, pardon, and mercy through him. As the Jews might, so may all; and as Jesus while living sought to turn away men from their sins, so he does still, and still designs to bless all nations by the gospel which he had himself preached, and to establish which he died. All may therefore come and be blessed; and all may rejoice in the prospect that these blessings shall yet be bestowed on all the kindreds of the earth. May the happy day soon come!
"Unto you first" Mt 10:5; Lu 24:47
"turning away every one" Isa 59:20;
Tit 2:11-14
(KJV) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
there is no divisions, the new testament explains the old testament, not the other way around.
to be contuined 2...
This answer was made to the woman, not to the disciples. The lost sheep of the house of Israel were the Jews. He came first to them. He came as their expected Messiah. He came to preach the gospel himself to the Jews only. Afterwards it was preached to the Gentiles; but the ministry of Jesus was confined almost entirely to the Jews.
Mt 10:5-6; Go not Into the way of the Gentiles.
verse 5, That is, among the Gentiles, or nowhere but among the Jews. The full time for preaching the gospel to the Gentiles was not come. It was proper that it should be first preached to the Jews, the ancient covenant people of God, and the people among whom the Messiah was born. He afterwards gave them a charge to go into all the world, Mt 28:19.
verse 6, . But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That is, to the Jews. He regarded them as wandering and lost, like sheep straying without a shepherd. They had been the chosen people of God; they had long looked for the Messiah; and it was proper that the gospel should be first offered to them.
"go rather" Ac 13:46
"lost sheep" Ps 119:176; Isa 53:6; Jer 1:6,17; Eze 34:5-6,8; 1Pe 2:25
to be continued, not enough space..
I tend to think of the lost sheep of Israel as both the house of Judah and the house of Israel, the Southern Kingdom and the Northern Kingdom. Many of the Jews returned to Jerusalem form the Babylonian captivity, but very few members of the remaining 11 tribes returned from Assyria, and those that did intermingled with the transplanted peoples that the Assyrians government moved into Israel when they took the Israelites captive. Most members of these 11 tribes and many of Judah migrated out of Mesopotamia northward into western Asia and eastern Europe, and eventually to all parts of the earth. Most of the members of these dispersed 11 tribes today do not even know that they are Israelites. So, Jesus came for these Israelites all over the world, not just for the Jews, when He made that statement you cited.
Even so, the Gospel of Christ is the same as the Gospel of the Kingdom as well as the Gospel of Heaven, and the Solitary Gospel is to be preached to all inhabitants of the world because Jesus is the Savior of humanity, not just of the Jews.
Day and night. With unwearied zeal; with constancy Lu 2:37. The ordinary Jewish services and sacrifices were in the morning and evening, and might be said to be performed day and night. Some of their services, as the paschal supper, were prolonged usually till late at night. The main idea is, that they kept up the worship of God with constant and untiring zeal and devotion.
For which hope's sake. On account of my cherishing this hope in common with the great mass of my countrymen. See Ac 23:6. If Paul could convince Agrippa that the main point of his offence was that which had been the common belief of his countrymen, it would show to his satisfaction that he was innocent. And on this ground Paul put his defence: that he held only that which the mass of the nation had believed, and that he maintained this in the only consistent and defensible manner--that God had, in fact, raised up the Messiah, and had thus given assurance that the dead should rise.
Ac 23:6-11
Our twelve tribes. This was the name by which the Jews were designated. The ancient Jewish nation had hoped to come to that promise; it had been the hope and expectation of the nation. Long before the coming of the Messiah, ten of the twelve tribes had been carried captive to Assyria, and had not returned, leaving but the two tribes of Benjamin and Judah. But the name, "the twelve tribes," to designate the Jewish people, would be still retained. Comp. Jas 1:1. Ac 26:7 Paul here says that the hope had been that of the Jewish nation. Except the comparatively small portion of the Sadducees, the great mass of the nation had held to the doctrine of a future state. This Agrippa would well know. Instantly. Constantly; with intensity; with an effort with zeal. This was true; for, amidst all the sins of the nation, they observed with punctuality and zeal the outward forms of the worship of God. Serving God. In the ordinances and observances of the temple. As a nation, they did not serve him in their hearts; but they kept up the outward form of religious worship.
To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad.
"The twelve tribes which are in the dispersion," or of the dispersion, This word occurs only here and in 1Pe 1:1, and Joh 7:35. It refers properly to those who lived out of Palestine, or who were scattered among the Gentiles. There were two great "dispersions" --the eastern and the western. The first had its origin about the time when the ten tribes were carried away to Assyria, and in the time of the Babylonian captivity. In consequence of these events, and of the fact that large numbers of the Jews went to Babylon, and other eastern countries, for purposes of travel, commerce, etc., there were many Jews in the east in the times of the apostles. The other was the western "dispersion," which commenced about the time of Alexander the Great, and which was promoted by various causes, until there were large numbers of Jews in Egypt and along Northern Africa, in Asia Minor, in Greece Proper, and even in Rome. To which of these classes this epistle was directed is not known; but most probably the writer had particular reference to those in the east.
The phrase "the twelve tribes," was the common term by which the Jewish people were designated, and was in use long after the ten tribes were carried away--leaving, in fact, but two of the twelve in Palestine. Benjamin and Judah.
good stuff sister, yes the gospels are the same, the new testament explains the old testament, there's no divisions
I must clarify that in Ephesians 3:2 it does say "dispensation of the grace of God, which was given to me for you." (NIV)
This does not indicate that it is a period of time, rather that Paul has been given the administrative task of dispensing the Gospel to the Gentiles as God called him to do.
There is not a mention in the Bible of any":
of the "dispensations" listed by Darby and espoused by ardent dispensationalists. I prefer to speak about God revealing Himself and His plan/promise of salvation across the ages, not all at once, but as an unfolding from time period to time period until it reached it's fulfillment in Jesus.
I do not have a problem with people thinking of dispensations in this way, but I do not follow the thinking that there are 7 dispensations across times. I believe that the redemptive plan of the Godhead has remained the same since before creation. It was promised and prophesied until it reached its end in Jesus Christ.
I think that many dispensationalist teach error concerning that there are multiple ways for people to be saved across the ages, not one way, that of faith in God's promised salvation in a Redeemer to come, for the O.T. saints, and in the Redeemer who has come, for N.T. believers. I think also many these people teach error when they say that the only Scripture that applies to Gentiles are the epistles of Paul. Because of these errors, I cannot embrace dispensationalism.
I agree with you. Thank you for your response. I have been seeking since I was young. But not until my Mom died recently I truly realized the magnitude of what Jesus Christ did on the cross for me. I always cry every Lent season not understanding why. There is some profound things happened to me, but all I can say is that God wants all to be saved. Agape.
Jesus being a minister for the circumsision, means that He preached the Gospel to Israelites. Paul preached the same Gospel to the other nations. They both preached that salvation is offered to people, Jews and gentiles, through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
But may I ask you something? What do you actually think when you read the words "divide the word of truth"? What you think it means? Because I think some people on this forum got it wrong. Also what does dispensation stand for, never heard it before.
GBU
I agree with your first sentence. To add, Jesus said "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV. During Jesus Christ on earth He commanded His Disciples in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Had the Jews recognized their King..could of, would of, should of. But they killed their Messiah. Your second sentence is half correct. Jesus Christ had chosen Paul to be the twelfth apostle with a purpose to tell us Gentiles more detail what happened during his dispensation. The word dispensation can only be found 4X in Paul's epistles: 1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Colossians 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
These verses proved to me that when Paul told us to "divide the word of truth" means that God speaks to different people in different times. Meaning Dispensation. Therefore, some verses of the Bible applies only to the Jews and only to Gentiles and some applies both to Jews and Gentiles in different times as "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:1 KJV. Paul is our Apostle today. His dispensation of Grace is critical for today's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Agape.
or meaning of what God did at the time He wanted to do it. You can put there administration of grace which is what it is.
The only time in the History of the world when by confessing Romans 10:9+10 and believing it in your heart that jew or
gentile could be born again of holy spirit and receive christ in them a resurrected spiritual body. Think about it jesus christ
is seated at gods right hand and we have that spiritual body in us. This is not believed because people say its too good to
be true. But in my mind thats how great and big our father is. Lastly look at 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 if the princes of this world
have known what god was going to do on Pentecost they would not have crucified Christ. Why because when he was alive he
was only at one place at a time, now evertime a person gets born again and really believes its christ in them. Thats how great
what we have is. Incredible but thats the truth of Gods Word.
I agree with you. I have noticed Dispensationalism has a negative interpretation and understanding. Maybe I will not use the word. I use Dispensation only on what Paul mentioned 4X on his epistles. But I think we have the same understanding. I am happy to have found someone like you. Agape.
About dispensation, I asked the question because I figured it's about some kind of specific belief among some christians. Is there a belief that is called "dispensationalism"?
Now about that "properly dividing the word of truth" that Paul wrote to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:15
The very precise meaning of the greek word "orthotomisis" that has been translated in KJV as "properly dividing' is exactly that. BUT in greek it literally means "teaching the word of God property". It has another meaning than what it sounds. It has nothing to do with division. This is one of these words that when translated in other languages exactly as it is, it looses its actuall meaning. Probably its very initial meaning was to "divide between the right and false Word of God", so actually meaning to teach the proper Word of God.
Well, I made a research on internet to see how other English Bible versions translated this verse, and I randomly picked some and quote them below:
New International version "and who correctly handles the word of truth"
New living translation"and who correctly explains the word of truth"
American standard version "handling aright the word of truth"
Holeman Christians standard Bible "correctly teaching the word of truth"
As you can see none of them is referring to "division". I would say the last one is closer to the right meaning.
So since I think we could agree then that actually Paul says to Timothy to teach the right Word of God, can you please tell me now what in your opinion are those "more things" that Paul taught to gentiles, that do not apply to Jews?