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  • Kathie on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    Where in the Bible does it say Jesus will come before the tribulation.

    Also where does it say in the Bible about once saved always saved.
  • Amina - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    pride, lust, greed, envy, sloth,wrathglottony
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "Once saved always saved" just like the english word "rapture" are not mentioned in scripture per se. There are verses about being sealed with the Spirit until the day of redemption ( Eph. 1:13-14). Actually the verse states our inheritance in KJV v. 14.

    John 6:39 indicates that Christ will lose none that the Father has given Him. As to the rapture/Resurrection from the dead; we of course can read in Thessalonians and Corinthians on the event. The latin word comes from "rapturo" which means to snatch out; quickly remove.

    A fundamental misunderstanding comes when the doctrine of Predestination is ignored in scripture; and God's initiation of salvation based on those of His choosing. Romans 8:30 makes this pretty clear and many other verses; particulary the Gospel of John are helpful (read John 10). Our repentance and sanctification as well as good works are all things the Lord has prepared in His Providence (see Ephesians 2:10). On our end; we are responsible to make a public confession; repent and live a Godly life; but if we attempt to do so without being regenerated we are trying to be saved on our terms. In the flesh; we can do as Judas Iscariot did; who was BTW called and chosen; but predestined to be the "son of perdition" as prophesied in Psalm 41:9. What is known as "decisional regeneration" by those who truly become Born Again must change our avoidance of consequences of our actions to that of a new regenerated heart which loves God. The Lord chastises all He loves ( Heb. 12:6).

    These verses sort of fit together. It appears many are left behind to endure the Tribulation who were either tares or perhaps who thought they were saved. If they are to be saved; they will endure martyrdom and finally produce fruit to "make their garments white". Whether that includes backslidden believes now; I can't give a certain answer. We should all keep Luke 21:36 in mind as certainly all believers aren't in that mindset today. Agape; Rich P
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    There are signs given that precede Jesus's Return: Matthew 24, Luke 21. They are described as being like a woman's labor pains: mild at first, violent at transition.

    Another sign: the Abomination of Desolation.

    Read Matthew 25:15

    Mark 13:14

    Revelation 21:27

    Another: Israel will be surrounded by their enemies.

    Many of these signs are happening now. Now is the time to evangelize loved ones and others.
  • Bob Henehan - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    only the father knows the time of jesus return and the bible states you can loose your salvation
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    It doesn't.

    Please read: Matthew 24, Matthew 7, Matthew 25:31-46,

    Hopefully these are helpful, please read the Bible & study, so no-one can lead you astray.



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