Bible Discussion Thread

Finishing a previous question:

Lazarus couldn't cross over the gulf to take water to the rich man in hell. My question is when did all of this situation change for us when we die? Now we go to heaven if we're saved and we see Jesus and our loved ones who have gone on before us.

Those who die lost and unsaved go to the devil's hell.

So when did all of that "hades/paradise" stuff change?

Confused here.

Please help but don't get really heavy duty over my head with it please.

Thanks.

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There are aspects of eternity that humans are ill-equipped to understand. For example, the Bible says a day with the Lord is like a thousand days on earth while a thousand days with the Lord is like a day on earth. We can let the deeper truth of that fact pass right over our heads and miss it if we are not careful. Time means nothing to God.

Enoch was caught up into heaven 5,000 years ago and yet he went straight into the middle of the tribulation as one of the two witnesses to preach this:

Jude 1:14

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

I believe those saints that were in Paradise in Jesus' day will be caught up together with living saints in the rapture and go to heaven then.

It changed when Jesus died and rose from the dead. Before that the ones who served our Father in Heaven did not have that savior but rather were placed in a special place God assigned to His people.

Lynne,

I was a little confused on your question itself. I myself have never questioned Heaven/Hell and their being anything in between (other than Earth) But I'm hearing more of this in last year or so, than ever. Like Jesus went to Hades or hell between death and resurrection. I never have believed that and nothing in scripture to support that.

If I'm spelling "Hades" correctly; "Hades" in not in the bible. Case closed. Plus, "Hades" comes from Greek mythology and would be pagan. [Simple search from this site will show you too.] Therefore, your previous understanding/teachings of the bible may be off a bit.

Paradise is in the Bible and mentioned three times all NT. Paradise seems to be another word for heaven, or I personally think a particular tier/place in Heaven. Heaven is mentioned 551 times Surprisingly, "Heaven and heaven of heavens" is quite a bit. Again, structure/tier.

I looked up Lazarus too; he's mentioned 15 times. Jesus does use another Lazarus as a parable (Luke16). So, a bit confused on exactly what you meant.

Hope that helped. If not, ask the Holy Spirit to help discern.

In Christ,

1 Cor 15:50. The dead will be raised when Christ comes the Second time. Not everone will go to heaven at the second coming John 5:29. Compare the two verses you will see they are the same. Ecclesiastes 3: 20 tells us all return to the dust. Verse 21 says the SPIRIT GOES TO THE GOD ( Eccles 12:7 Also). Now note : Gen 2 :7 says man became a living being after the breath of life is given by God, so when the breath departs as you read in Eccles then man is dead waiting for the second coming. Read John 11 :23 and 24 for confirmation of 1 Cor 15 and John 5:29

Hi Lynne,

There have been many discussions about this. People differ in opinion. James 1:5, I ask you pray for wisdom & discernment of truth.

Why do you ask, this question like this?

1st we have Luke 16,

Then we have Paradise mentioned 3 times, in: Luke 23:39-46, 2Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7,

Out of the Grave: Ezekiel 37:12,13, Matthew 27:52,53, John 5:28,

Judgement : Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4:1-5, Matthew 12:36,

Jesus being the 1st born: Romans 8:29-39,

Hopefully these are helpful