Bible Discussion Thread

Does the Bible tell us, we will be Raptured before Tribulation or after Tribulation ? Does Jesus come to earth twice or three times ? 1. The first time as a baby, and our Savior. 2. The second time He will come in all his Glory in the clouds where everyone on earth will look up even the dead in Christ will rise up to see him. When Jesus comes, this is a very Big deal, He will gather all of us up in the air, then he will destroy the earth & make a new earth for all of those who have been saved by Salvation through Jesus Christ. Or, the first time come as our Savior. 2. Second time comes in the clouds to take us with him in Heaven. 3. Then Jesus comes back to earth the third time to burn up the earth to make a new earth. Thank you for your answer.

You'd probably enjoy a video, a man made it for his son. That the son released so all people could see it. It goes real fast, being about 1 hour in length:

Genesis to Revelation. The last 5 minutes represent Satans release from hell to tempt the humans in heaven. Then the Great White Throne judgement; 3 minutes of the bliss of no more evil, ever again.

YouTube movie: BLESSON

Christ Jesus came one time to preach, teach and to fulfill the New Covenant with his Blood. Take take away our sins by taking all those to the Cross with Him. In rising from the dead or ascending people sometimes say "well...that was going away and coming back." I say they don't really believe. He never left us then. Never did. He fulfilled it (it is finished), rose from the grave after 3-days of fulfillment in an other respect and ascended in the first chapter of Acts to give His Holy Spirit to all. That was all one time. He wasn't going and coming back as he stated he'd never leave nor forsake us - which is a promise He's always kept.

Now, the rapture Christ comes to take the church before the tribulation and or 'hour of temptation' as I've read in Revelation. He states very clearly that the church was never intended to see or go through the rapture. That's not John Darby or movement -- it's been believed and known since the early church.

After all events of the tribulation have taken place and the 7-years draws to an end; Christ Jesus is coming back. Which is the 2nd coming.

This shouldn't be taught as derogative. These are all three prophetic events. Christ Jesus coming as the Messiah was prophesied long before it happened and people weren't counting it as a number. But, it happened at a point in which the Father declared it was so. The same will be of the rapture (the falling away and are signs that this is nigh)

Matthew 24, Mark 13,

Hopefully these are helpful too

First of all; Hebrews 9:28 is the only verse I know which mentions Christ coming with the specific words "second time" where it seems there to indicate coming for the saints (i.e. Resurrection and Rapture). When we look at 2 Peter 3:10-12; we see the "Day of the Lord" as an abbreviated framework; apparently stretching from the onset in the beginning of the Tribulation through the Millennium period and to the day the "elements are melted with great heat." (the new heaven and new earth established). Thus; it is apparent that there are different phases to the "Second Coming" which would make more than one event to be encapsulated in that whole period of time. 1 Cor. 15:20 shows this application in regard to the "firstfruits." Christ was the first part of the "Body" of Christ to be Resurrected; and some apparently came out of their graves at that time. Then there are those saints of the N.T. and the O.T. as well as the 144,000 given this designation as well in Revelation.

The trumpet sound may or may not be recognized by those who remain on the earth. The resurrection of the saints; however will be undeniable. Once the "restrainer" in 2 Thess. 2:6 is removed (i.e. the Spirit as is currently operating in the church age of grace); then the series of events occurs until Christ PHYSICALLY returns to defeat Antichrist and split open the Mount of Olives (see Revelation 19; Zech. 14:4). He is seen even as soon as the 6th Seal Judgment; with victory being declared as a "done deal" as well as His wrath being evident well before the end of the 7 years.

It would seem that at the end of the Millennium; the heavenly city descends and essentially God the Father comes down in 1 Cor. 15:24-28 after the Son rules on earth in the 1000 year reign. So in a sense that is the "1st coming of the Father" to earth.

There are evidently Resurrections in the Tribulation of the 2 witnesses; perhaps others. At the end a few are still physically alive. Only one Rapture.

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Reply to Theresa:

I believe Jesus will take His Bride out of the world before the Great Tribulation just as angels took Lot out of Sodom before the fire fell that burned up that city. Jesus will later return to earth at the end of the Tribulation to set up His kingdom on earth.