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  • Daniel
    For encouragement today and always I'd like to share some wonderful things about Salvation.

    Can we get saved by a person or named church denomination?

    Acts 4:12 - "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

    John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

    Salvation can not come from another other (pastors, priests, religion, etc) but only from Christ Jesus.

    But I have good news for you today!

    John 3:15-18

    "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

    Wow, isn't that beautiful? But you may ask yourself, "but I've done this or that sin and I've been too wicked." That's what the Pharisees believed. They saw the broken sinners and pitied them...turned them away. What did Jesus say to them?

    Luke 5:32

    "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

    Don't we have to do works to obtain mercy and Salvation from God? No, the only works are after Salvation from the fruit of the Spirit.

    Ephesians 2:8&9

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

    Let us never complicate the simplicity of the Bible and share this with everyone today. The most important gift you can give a strange, relative, friend or even an enemy are these verses (and there are many more) to Salvation. Please use your Holy King James Bible and God Bless!
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Amen and thanks Daniel.

    Well stated!

    God bless you.
  • Ronnette - in Reply
    Romans 7:1 Read on

    Romans 7:14

    For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    Romans 7:15

    For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    Romans 7:16

    If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    Romans 7:17

    Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Romans 7:18

    For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Romans 7:19

    For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    Romans 7:20

    Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Romans 7:21

    I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    Romans 7:22

    For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    Romans 7:23

    But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    Romans 7:24

    O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    Romans 7:25

    I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    1 Peter 4:1

    Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

    1 Peter 4:2

    That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

    Colossians 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    2 Corinthians 5:20

    Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
  • Ronnette - in Reply
    Brothers in Christ,

    I truly understand each one's point of view. If I may share my thoughts that made me know I am saved.

    I read the entire animal blood sacrifices in the Old Testament for the atonement of sins and sanctification ( cleansed or washed away sins). Then one day I realized that the greatest gift our generation could ever received was the blood of Jesus Christ, ( a parallel sacrifice for our generation) to be our propitiation ( i.e. an act of appeasing wrath). I could have been put to death for my own sins, but instead Jesus Christ took upon himself my sins and others to save me and all of us from the wrath of God and give us an eternal/ everlasting life. Then make us live in the Kingdom of God here on earth.

    1 John 4:10

    Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    Romans 3:25

    Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    1 John 2:2

    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Then I realized I have to keep that Holy Spirit in me. I cannot explain how I started to read the Bible like my life depends on it. This happened on 11/11/21 when I know I was saved.

    Since I was young I know I have some peculiar things happenings to me. I cannot explained them, but now I understood the God given gift of discernment. That is why at such a young age I made God as my best friend. People will say or do something that I know in my heart was wrong. I cannot explain then, but now God made it clear to me.

    In conclusion, Jesus Christ is in me. I know.

    Galatians 2:20

    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
  • Daniel - in Reply
    Amen! You described how Christ fulfilled it all with his Blood. I'd also say that you just shared a very inspiring testimony! God bless you!
  • Ronnette - in Reply
    Brother Daniel:

    I praise God for your response. Grace and peace unto you from our God, the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Time is short. We can see 2 Timothy 3 today.

    As you know Timothy 4.

    I think it is important to do the following:

    1. Pray (for others, each other, lost people to be saved, Believers for their holiness until Jesus comes, and ALL Leaders in-charged to do the right thing)

    2. Study the Bible ( 2 Timothy 2:15)

    Finally sharing our experience helps everyone to see that Jesus Christ is alive and waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles for the glory of God.

    Romans 11:25

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Ephesians 4:13

    Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    I read most comments on this site and we need to be in one mind:

    1 Corinthians 14:33

    For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    doeth.

    Romans 12:16

    Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

    1 Peter 3:8

    Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

    Philippians 2:2

    Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

    Romans 15:6

    That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    2 Corinthians 13:11

    Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

    Thank you for the opportunity to read your comments. Rejoice evermore!
  • Doug - in Reply
    The Bible speaks to to salvation from sins and atonement for sins which is of grace for we had a debt we could not pay. When the Bible talks of eternal salvation it speaks of works. Some of the verses...... Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Luke 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. (if he was alive was he saved?) John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (if we don't abide in his love are we saved?) Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 19:16,17 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (if we haven't enter into life, are we saved?) James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (Read this chapter carefully. We want it to say that works are a result of salvation. I understand it to say that faith without works is dead for salvation). Rahab did nothing to have the opportunity to be saved (of grace), but she had to respond properly (stay in the house) to be saved. It might be beneficial to differentiate between the works of the law (which no flesh shall be justified) and the works and teachings of Jesus. The lawgiver proceeded out of Juda, not Levi. Genesis 49:10
  • Jesse - in Reply
    Daniel,

    Amen! We are saved by God's grace and mercy alone. We do not work for our salvation and we do not work to keep ourselves saved. The salvation process from start to finish is God's work, not man's. He saves us, He seals us with His Spirit, and He keeps us saved until the day of redemption. We are bought with a price, and that price was the blood He shed on the cross. Ephesians 2:8-9, which you shared pretty much sums it up. That tells us that salvation is present tense to those who have called out to Christ to have mercy on them and to save them. (For by grace are ye saved, not for by grace you will someday be saved).

    Thank you for sharing this!

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  • Jesse - in Reply
    Hello Bro Dan,

    I agree with you that Christ is the final judge. Every person will someday stand before Him and give an account. I believe the bible speaks of two separate judgments, one for believers, and one for non-believers. Every believer will stand at the Bema Seat judgment of Christ. That judgment is not to determine Heaven or Hell, but what our reward/s will be. There will be a future judgment called the Great White Throne judgment. No believer will stand at that judgment. But yes, Christ will be the judge at both.

    I am looking at Revelation 22:14, which you shared, and for me it describes a person who is saved. I totally agree with you that Jesus' words remain consistent. No argument from me there! And yes, scripture tells us what is expected of us.

    As far as confusion about salvation goes, I cannot speak for anyone else but myself. Salvation seems simple to me. Once I am convicted of my need to be saved, I'm to confess my Spiritual bankruptcy before Christ, repent of my sin, call out to Him to have mercy on me and to save me, and surrender my life completely to Him. Jesus said that if I want to be His disciple, I must deny (ARNEOMI/Reject) myself, take up my cross daily, and follow Him. The message sounds simple, but for some, giving up their life to follow Christ is the hard part.

    I agree with you that we are expected to have a relationship with Jesus, repent, become obedient, refrain from sin, and follow God's commands. But how do I do any of those things? In my human effort, I cannot. My flesh will never submit to the things of the Lord. It all boils down to surrendering my life to Jesus Christ.

    Once I give my life to Christ, He gives me His Spirit, and His Spirit in me causes me to be obedient, causes me to have a relationship with Him, causes me to refrain from sin, and causes me to follow His commands. If I become disobedient, He deals with me and sometimes it can be pretty harsh.

    As always, pleasure to talk with you. Blessings to you also!

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  • Adam - in Reply
    Philippians 2:12

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Peter 1:13

    Hebrews 10:26

    Matthew 24:13

    Hebrews 10:36

    2 Corinthians 5:10
  • Adam - in Reply
    This can be very encouraging to people and these are great verses.

    It is worth considering that sometimes people try to simplify things by cutting out key verses about salvation, but its in the Bible for a reason and shouldn't be ignored. For example, the Bible over and over talks about obedience. If someone discards all these verses and assumes it will happen magically through the spirit and not their own freewill then they can be misled into following evil. Maybe they assume their sins don't count or matter or that God doesn't even care or they no longer have the freewill to sin, but the Bible doesn't say any of those things.

    Maybe they their friends are going out drinking and doing "just a little" drugs, and going to a strip club "just a for a few minutes" and rob a store "sharing was done in Jesus's time" and commit a murder "just one who 'deserved' it". Then they go to church on Sunday and they are reminded of the above verses and not to worry about it as they are forgiven, so they do it again and again every weekend. Lying, cheating, stealing, assaulting, harming, idolatry, worshipping the world and satan.

    This may throw a wet blanket on the simplicity of all the warm fuzzy verses cherry picked from the Bible, but life isn't simple and temptation of sin isn't simple. Sometimes someone SHOULD feel guilt and convicted by the holy spirit of evil that person has done. Some are deceived into believing they are "saved" when they are following satan and not Jesus. If they aren't following Jesus they may not be Christian and may not have assurance of salvation, but assume they are because someone told them not to worry about it.

    There are many important Bible verses that people should heed about salvation and not simply throw them out:

    Matthew 7:21-23

    Matthew 12:32

    Hebrews 10:26

    John 14:15

    James 2:14-26

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Cor 9:24-27

    1 Peter 1:13
  • Daniel - in Reply
    Agreed. However, I've witnessed those verses above which apply to our walk, sanctification and our testimony as Christians (the fruit). To the unsaved they view those verses as offensive, thoughtful advice or otherwise because they're not born again. We start with Salvation which is simple. It's not warm tissues but the reality of Salvation. If you state John 3:16...that's great. If you go the extra step of adding verses 17 &18 ...that's offensive to some...but they need to know it.

    To us (the born again) these verses may sound soft. To an athiest, religious, or gnostic...the verses I posted are offensive. Always have been. But Grace isn't soft and that's why few get there. I share this as encouragement to the saved and unsaved that we are sharing these verses with everyone we know and more. I never said it's just those above verses -- we need to witness the way we're called BUT with sound doctrine. If it ain't Bible... it's not of God.
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hello,

    I know Christians tonight who will commit fornication. I know Christians who will be out partying tonight, getting drunk, possibly doing drugs. Some will lie, some may steal, some may assault others. They do this because they hear the watered down gospel and are told that they're already saved, that they're already in the book of life, so their actions are irrelevant, they assume.

    Every Sunday when they go to church they then hear the same verses you shared which reassures them that they're totally fine following the pleasures of the world and can enjoy all the benefits of sin they wish, like an all you can eat buffet. But is that why Jesus died on the cross- so His followers can use that as a free hall pass to commit unlimited sin and evil? The Bible already says the answer is no.

    So, everyone giving only part of the story of salvation and omitting the importance of obedience is doing a grave disservice. People will go to hell over this and people should actually fear God like it says in Matthew 10:28. But people are afraid of offending someone, that they withhold the truth. Did Jesus withhold the truth so no one was offended? Did Paul?

    But what about offending God and offending Jesus? Those who don't obey and who sin is like slapping Jesus in the face.

    I'm offended that people are withholding Bible verses from those who need to hear them the most. I am offended at false teachings.

    The fact is Jesus gave lots of commandments. Do we truly love Jesus enough to follow them?

    John 13:34

    John 15:12

    John 15:10

    John 14:15

    Deuteronomy 11:22

    1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

    The above verse should scare the daylights out of people who are currently loving and following the world. It should scare them to death and be the hugest wake up call. The end is near and time is short to get right with God. It won't happen automatically.

    God bless.
  • Daniel - in Reply
    The purpose of my post was encouragement of Salvation. We're all gulty of the sins you listed and more until we first get saved; that's why I posted about Salvation. If I'm talking to the born again -- the message needs to be strong and I agree. With already saved who plan to/are doing those things; we need to be very vocal on those verses.

    Why not post them as a separate thread of discussion so we bring to light the topic of Christians living in sin. If reposted it invites more into that discussion and stays relevant. The topic I posted is for those who know not and have not been saved or those to feel encouraged to witness to the lost. But the sheep need to be discipled too.



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