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  • Mohammad on John 3 - 1 year ago
    John3:16:-what's means "begotten". Please explain this word.
  • Luke - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
    " Begotten" means to give birth. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
  • Marcus - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The sense in which Christ is the 'only begotten' is in respect to His resurrection (and glorification).

    We are all 'begotten', only Jesus is begotten from the dead.

    "So also Christ >glorified< not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, >to day< have I begotten thee." Hebrews 5:5
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
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    Jesus holds to His Oneness with God because He came forth out of God, to be a Man. Why? For the sole purpose, as you read in John 3:16,17, that He was 'begotten' so that "the World through Him might be saved". He willingly gave His Life as payment for our sins, so we won't suffer eternal torment in Hell. His Sacrifice pleased His Father & all who place their trust in Jesus alone will be accepted by God, because they have accepted God's offering for their sins. There's no other way to approach Almighty God or to be saved from our sins & eternal punishment - this was the one & only Plan of God - through His 'begotten Son'.

    I hope that your question has been answered Mohammad, & more importantly, that your spirit might be alerted to this wonderful Plan of Salvation that God has made & given to us, so that we might be called His children because of Jesus Christ, & one day be with Him for eternity.
  • S Spencer. - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
    Amen Brother Chris,
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
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    Even in the Bible we read the same in Luke 1:34,35: "Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Thus the answer is learned: God gave His message through the angel; God's Spirit overshadowed Mary (or, placed within her womb) God's Holy Special Seed which was to be born into humanity; therefore, "He shall be called the Son of God". As al-Qur'an also states, 'this special Birth is humanity's sign & a revelation of God's Mercy to the world.'

    You asked, the meaning of 'begotten'. I hope you can now see what it means, by God's Action: it is not a normal human-type birth, but a 'one of its kind, unique birth from God placing His special Seed into the woman. What was this special Seed? The Bible tells us, that God took His Own Word & sent it forth into the world as a human being (you can read about it in John 1:1-14). Even in Surah 3:45: "Remember when the angels proclaimed, 'O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest to Allah." (This Word from God (kalimat'ullah: God's Word), His Name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary).
  • GiGi - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
    Hello Chris,

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

    Here it can be confusing to some, But it is distinguishing the Word as being with God (another person of the Godhead) and also that this Word (another person of the Godhead) was also God.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
    Very true GiGi & appreciated. Though I see it as taking the understanding of the "Word of God" to the next level, the tri-aspect of God's Being, i.e. learning more about this Word that was made flesh, as also seen in the Qur'an. If Mohammad (the OP) was moved to enquire further, if indeed his enquiry about the meaning of 'begotten' was leading him to query an 'impossibility' with God, then you & I could be constrained to share more with him. But I can't ascertain how far he wants to enter into this important matter - maybe just simply for the definition of 'begotten'. We shall see.
  • GiGi - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
    Chris,

    I understand your point. Thanks.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
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    Hello Mohammad. Jesus Christ was speaking here when He said in John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Also verses 17 & 18 reference the 'Son of God'.

    The words 'only begotten' in the original Greek (the language used in writing the New Testament), is: 'monogenes'. It is important to quote the whole phrase ('only begotten') to understand the intent of Jesus' Speech. 'Monogenes' means, 'one and only, or one of its kind', 'unique'. Jesus always said this of Himself, even when the Jewish religious leaders challenged Him. He said, "I and my Father are one. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" ( John 10:30,33). The Jews knew what Jesus was saying & they rejected Him because they could only understand His Birth & Presence before them in human terms. For them, as most people, a baby born can only come from human male & female intercourse.

    But in God's Terms, He can bring forth whomever & whenever He wishes - He is God. God is not man to engage with a human female, so this 'monogenes' birth must be different, special. Even al-Qur'an states, when the angel approached Maryam with the message of a 'pure son', she became confused how this could possibly happen: "She wondered, 'how can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste'? He (the angel) replied, "So will it be! Your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.' It is a matter already decreed." (Surah 19:20,21).
  • Monty - In Reply on John 3 - 1 year ago
    Begotten just mean bring about or give rise to, no if you mean the "only begotten" that means single of it's kind, or only member of a kin or kind. The tern is used to describe the relation of kids to their parents.

    Ex. If you have natural born kids they would be your begotten kids vs adoption because you brought them about,

    Ex 2 is that of Issac was the one begotten son of Abraham even though he had other natural son, Ismael and others but Issac was the only begotten is that God's covenant, was established only through Isaac, Abraham's only son by God's promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. So he was the only member of that kind.

    If u want to know about how Jesus is the only begotten son I'm happy to tell u



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