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  • Margo Mun on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    Job 1:6

    A friend referenced this verse indicating that when the sons of God (i.e., Job) came to present themselves before the Lord ... and Satan also came along.

    Might you know where this meeting took place? Was it in Heaven?

    My church buddy says that the meeting may have taken place in Heaven and that if Satan came along, then Satan has access to go to Heaven. Is this true?

    In addition, she says that if Satan is present in Heaven or when he has access to Heaven, and He is evil and full of sin, then does that mean Heaven is no longer a sinless place where no evil exists?

    I need to clarify this line of thinking because that's new to me.

    I appreciate your time on this. Thank you, Margo
  • Dav47 - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    Back in those days Satan was allowed to traverse dimensions de facto for so did GOD. GOD a just, fair righteous GOD for every negative there is a positive. Satan and angels (messengers) good and bad traversed earth unnoticed for they are in our exact image, some are still allowed by GOD Hebrew 13:2. In the temptation of CHRIST, HE ordered Satan behind HIM ( Luke 4:8) and that is where Satan is held by Michael until he is cast out again to be here defacto along with the 7k that refused to be born of woman to reign for 5 months. The 7k fallen angels were here defacto impregnated the women to corrupt the seed of Abraham from which umbilical cord to umbilical cord CHRIST would come. Satan's spirit is still allowed and other evil spirits to possess people but they are no longer allowed to traverse dimensions in person until 6th trump ( Revelation 12:7). We know this because CHRIST and the disciples cast out many. Disciples had trouble with a stubborn one; the lunatic -Satan's very spirit. GOD allows this; for HE wants us to defeat them; CHRIST gave us the power to defeat all our enemies as long as we have CHRIST as head of us. Luke 10:19. If we discern a evil spirit we are to not argue with them but rebuke them Jude 1:9
  • Fred Scanlan - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    Have you ever been tempted? If so, did you think it came from heaven or from the earth? If you can answer this question than you have answered your own.

    It is impossible for God to tempt us.

    Satan will make you believe it is God that is doing the tempting, while he makes himself into an angel of light.

    Scripture has a way of looking things out for us, so we have a better understanding of what is really going on around us.

    This meeting the bible speaks of, will eventually take place in our lives in one time or another. It will be only because of the grace found in Christ that we will overcome in the time of temptation!

    There is a war going on for the souls of Gods creation. It is called you and me in this Heaven and earth!

    Repent and be baptized
  • Lessons from the Book of Job - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    This is a Commentary by Matthew Henry about Satan. His name before he fell into rebellion and took 1/3 of the angels with him, was Lucifer. Read Isaiah 14.

    In Job he heard God brag on Job, and such was his jealousy, he asked to prove Job false. That Job would curse God. God knew what kind of man Job was, so He allowed Satan to get at Job, but He couldn't take Jobs life.

    Satan is a spy. He spies on everyone, assessing faults. He saw Job making sacrifices for his "partying children." Ahah! He thought that was Jobs weakness. He stirred up a tornado and leveled Job's kids homes, they themselves, livestock and everything!

    Job staggers out to the road and collapses. Next his wife tells him to curse God and die. We don't hear from her again. Then all these so-called friends come visit Job to allege that maybe he sinned?

    Jobs hair falls out, he develops boils, he's probably fasting in grief for his family.

    In following chapters God comes and ministers to Job the greatness of His power over all of creation. He pushes the clouds around, owns stores of hail, snow, rain_it's just eye opening all the things that God is in control of. It taught me, that I can, in prayer, ask for favor in weather issues.

    At the end of the story, God heals Job, multiplies all Job lost, back to him ten-fold.

    There's a lot of wisdom in that book. First being that Satan has to ask God, to tempt us. No matter what happens. Stand firmly on the Rock, which is Jesus. He is your Shield.

  • Chris - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello Margo. One cannot comment with great clarity or certainty on a matter that is contained in a couple of chapters in Job. From what I read, it appears that Satan did have access to Heaven, as he did on these occasions, but was he allowed right into God's Presence or was his access limited? We know that he is still a spirit being so movement on Earth or in the heavens is not limited. But God does set bounds for spirit & human beings, so it may well be that we can assume this here also.

    In Revelation 12:10, we read that the 'accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." So, here is another instance of Satan's access to the 'vicinity' of God, so that he might accuse those in Christ for their sins & failings.

    How all this happens, we can only guess, but I feel sure that Heaven still remains free from any wickedness, because Holiness surrounds God's Throne ( Psalm 47:8; Isaiah 63:15; Psalm 93).
  • MM - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    Thank you for you quick response.

    May I Ask another question please?

    How come there is no mention of Saran having access to Heaven in the New Testament (other than Revelation perhaps)?
  • Chris - In Reply on Job 1 - 2 years ago
    I believe you're correct, we don't have any specific reference to Satan in the NT having access to Heaven. Apart from the one I quoted ( Revelation 12:10) which speaks of Satan accusing us before God, I have no idea as to how far he is able to proceed towards God, or even if his accusations against us arise from Earth. Clearly, the NT doesn't speak on this subject, rather on his afflictions upon God's people. Sorry, I can't give you much help on this.

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