Matthew 24:7. Are these birth pangs before trib or after trib begins because I believe Christians are spared the beginning of Trib wrath by the Rapture because of 1Thess ch5 ? Thanks for any clarification on this. God Bless.
That is a very interesting question. Surely; we could see wars; rumors of wars; famine; pestilences; etc. along with persecution increasing in the past century to record amounts. Part of what I'd say is that there is an inevitability to the frequency increasing in the limited time of the Tribulation; whereas now while the restrainer remains prayer can allow for things to slow down; and the gates of hell will not prevail against the church as a whole; whereas afterward the saints WILL be overcome in the Tribulation.
The great falling away; or apostacy is going to be accompanied with the collective wish for a world leader and for world peace; which will be appearing to occur with the Daniel 9:27 covenant being confirmed. To be convincing enough; there will have to be some sort of worldwide currency. I would not be surprised if there is briefly one which has a gold or silver standard as China; Russia and India are competing with such reserves backing up monies now; and eventually our dollar will tank; since it isn't backed by anything. This will probably be part of the "dividing the land for gain" and certain actions of the Antichrist to consolidate wealth. That would also likely necessitate Israel being a big part of it with their natural resources being utilized to the maximum extent. It also would be part and parcel with the rapidly forming one world religion sort of combining Christianity; Judiasm and Islam which is being planned with some new centers in I believe Dubai which the Papacy is involved with. Jesus warns the Day of the Lord comes at a time we don't expect.
With all this; we see the significance of the first two world wars and other major events of modern history (including the ability to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons). We need to keep in mind the seriousness of the Seal Judgments often underplayed compared with the later ones. Jesus Himself opens the seals; after the Rapture as I see scripture.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week....
This is talking about Christ confirming the NEW COVENANT.
From his entering into Jerusalem (Sunday)on the colt of and ass (prophecy) to his resurrection to LIFE (Sunday), ONE WEEK and the covenant was confirmed.
.......and in the midst of the week (the day he was crucified) he shall cause the sacrifice (old covenant) and obligation TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate (no LIFE other than the LIFE OF CHRIST), even until the consumption, and that DETERMINED (judgement) shall be poured out on the DESOLATE (those not having THE LIFE OF CHRIST).
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice (old covenant) shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation SET UP, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
THREE and ONE HALF YEARS, Christ ministry in the flesh. FIRST COMING.
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and COMETH to the one thousand three hundred thirty five days (PENTECOST), Christ ministry in the Spirit. SECOND COMING.
Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues shall see their dead bodies (sinful flesh, dead in trespasses) three days and a half (Christ betrayal to Christ resurrection) and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in the graves.
Revelation 11:11 and after three days and a half (laying in the grave with Christ) the SPIRIT OF LIFE from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet (these whose names are written in the BOOK OF LIFE, once dead, Now have THE LIFE OF CHRIST, and great fear fell upon them that saw them.
Revelation 20:9 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.
Hi Sheila....Plz forgive me but i see the birth pains as the result of the sower and his seed the Words of God...The Child we birth is the H.G. that Child of Promise....The babes and sucklings he mentioned ...She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations...This is how Jesus describes the rapture....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise Enter there in...The real new BIRTH is also the rapture...We are gonna enter the kingdom via the new birth...in Rev. 12 : 10 the Kingdom came via the new birth....When the Child of Promise was born to her..Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child etc...The Kingdom does not come til the woman gives birth to the Child of Promise... Rev. 12 : 10 kjv...
....The babes and sucklings Jesus mentions are our New innermen the H.G. that results from his seed etc...Jesus said outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected Praise...Thus we cannot enter the Kingdom without perfect Praise...The manchild which is the H.G....That New Birth etc
.....After the woman gives birth it says that NOW IS COME SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD ETC...Thus she was raptured into the Kingdom by her new Baby the manchild that Child of Promise...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child etc....And her Child is a baby Christ simply b/c of the seed of the sower the words of Christ Jesus...Remember Jesus said his words are the seeds of the Kingdom...Meaning the seed of a king a baby Christ the Son of man....mankinds fruit unto God... Romans 7 : 4 KJV....Thats y he talks of the babes and sucklings...They are the result of his seed sown in our hearts ..That sy he has to know us.
To GIVE BIRTH, to the new creation, created in the likeness of Christ, you must go through BIRTH PAINS; tribulation.
Everyone in the last 2000 years that has been BORN AGAIN; after you leave this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, have gone through TRIBULATION; birth pains.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before we should SUFFER TRIBULATION, even as it CAME TO PASS, and ye know.
Mark 13:24 In those days (in your flesh), after THAT TRIBULATION (birth pains, ending in the death of the body), the SUN shall be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light.
You leave this body of flesh (raptured), having victory over death by the resurrection of Christ, BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT.
Revelation 21:23 An the city (you) hath no need of the SUN, neither of the MOON, to SHINE in it, for the glory of the Lord doth lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day (the day of the Lord, when you are BORN AGAIN into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST)....ye shall be GATHERED ONE by ONE ......
Those are the signs given by Jesus that have to do with the rapture of the saints and the subsequent end of the world and His second coming. The signs begin with a general war oiften attributed by many christians to WW2. Then other signs again often interpreted as todays climate crisis. Matthew also writes that the generation that lives during these signs will not pass/end until these are fulfilled. So all these signs occur during the life of a single generation. This is us...?
There are many opinions abour the rapture. Some say it precedes antichrist/tribulation, others that follows, others sometime in between. You have to study the scriptures to decide yourself.
Finally all the above are assumptions, no one knows for sure. But on the other hand if these things are so vague that nobody can understand, why Jesus gave them to us?
I'm not so much sure if it's birth pangs, although you could be correct, Sheila.
Once the rapture happens, the tribulation does begin but it progressively gets worse if we follow the prophetic events in the Holy Bible. For example -- the anti-Christ may not rise up for a few years until after the tribulation begins but one of the early condemnations will be the mark of the beast (condemnation for those left behind and take it).
There's a slight contrast in the events which precede the rapture and which precede the 2nd coming (as they're not similar events or the same as some claim).
No signs precede Rapture. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3)
Signs precede Second Coming. ( Luke 21:11,15)
Many terrible things will happen in the midst of the tribulation and there will be earthquakes, war and overall unrest. Some things of read you in Revelation are some of the most terrifying to be known. Israel's role too if you contrast between the pre-tribulation rapture & the 2nd coming:
Israel is persecuted during the Tribulation. Two-in-three Jews in Israel are killed. ( Zechariah 13:8-9)
Israel is regathered. ( Jeremiah 23:5-8)
World famine, pestilence, war and sorrow follow the Rapture. ( Matthew 24:6-10; Luke 17:31)
World peace follows Christ's Second Coming when He reigns from Jerusalem ( Isaiah 11:6)
The great falling away; or apostacy is going to be accompanied with the collective wish for a world leader and for world peace; which will be appearing to occur with the Daniel 9:27 covenant being confirmed. To be convincing enough; there will have to be some sort of worldwide currency. I would not be surprised if there is briefly one which has a gold or silver standard as China; Russia and India are competing with such reserves backing up monies now; and eventually our dollar will tank; since it isn't backed by anything. This will probably be part of the "dividing the land for gain" and certain actions of the Antichrist to consolidate wealth. That would also likely necessitate Israel being a big part of it with their natural resources being utilized to the maximum extent. It also would be part and parcel with the rapidly forming one world religion sort of combining Christianity; Judiasm and Islam which is being planned with some new centers in I believe Dubai which the Papacy is involved with. Jesus warns the Day of the Lord comes at a time we don't expect.
With all this; we see the significance of the first two world wars and other major events of modern history (including the ability to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons). We need to keep in mind the seriousness of the Seal Judgments often underplayed compared with the later ones. Jesus Himself opens the seals; after the Rapture as I see scripture.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week....
This is talking about Christ confirming the NEW COVENANT.
From his entering into Jerusalem (Sunday)on the colt of and ass (prophecy) to his resurrection to LIFE (Sunday), ONE WEEK and the covenant was confirmed.
.......and in the midst of the week (the day he was crucified) he shall cause the sacrifice (old covenant) and obligation TO CEASE, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate (no LIFE other than the LIFE OF CHRIST), even until the consumption, and that DETERMINED (judgement) shall be poured out on the DESOLATE (those not having THE LIFE OF CHRIST).
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice (old covenant) shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation SET UP, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
THREE and ONE HALF YEARS, Christ ministry in the flesh. FIRST COMING.
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and COMETH to the one thousand three hundred thirty five days (PENTECOST), Christ ministry in the Spirit. SECOND COMING.
Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues shall see their dead bodies (sinful flesh, dead in trespasses) three days and a half (Christ betrayal to Christ resurrection) and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in the graves.
Revelation 11:11 and after three days and a half (laying in the grave with Christ) the SPIRIT OF LIFE from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet (these whose names are written in the BOOK OF LIFE, once dead, Now have THE LIFE OF CHRIST, and great fear fell upon them that saw them.
Revelation 20:9 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.
God Bless YOU!
....The babes and sucklings Jesus mentions are our New innermen the H.G. that results from his seed etc...Jesus said outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected Praise...Thus we cannot enter the Kingdom without perfect Praise...The manchild which is the H.G....That New Birth etc
.....After the woman gives birth it says that NOW IS COME SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD ETC...Thus she was raptured into the Kingdom by her new Baby the manchild that Child of Promise...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child etc....And her Child is a baby Christ simply b/c of the seed of the sower the words of Christ Jesus...Remember Jesus said his words are the seeds of the Kingdom...Meaning the seed of a king a baby Christ the Son of man....mankinds fruit unto God... Romans 7 : 4 KJV....Thats y he talks of the babes and sucklings...They are the result of his seed sown in our hearts ..That sy he has to know us.
god bless you!
To GIVE BIRTH, to the new creation, created in the likeness of Christ, you must go through BIRTH PAINS; tribulation.
Everyone in the last 2000 years that has been BORN AGAIN; after you leave this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, have gone through TRIBULATION; birth pains.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before we should SUFFER TRIBULATION, even as it CAME TO PASS, and ye know.
Mark 13:24 In those days (in your flesh), after THAT TRIBULATION (birth pains, ending in the death of the body), the SUN shall be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light.
You leave this body of flesh (raptured), having victory over death by the resurrection of Christ, BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT.
Revelation 21:23 An the city (you) hath no need of the SUN, neither of the MOON, to SHINE in it, for the glory of the Lord doth lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day (the day of the Lord, when you are BORN AGAIN into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST)....ye shall be GATHERED ONE by ONE ......
God Bless YOU!
Those are the signs given by Jesus that have to do with the rapture of the saints and the subsequent end of the world and His second coming. The signs begin with a general war oiften attributed by many christians to WW2. Then other signs again often interpreted as todays climate crisis. Matthew also writes that the generation that lives during these signs will not pass/end until these are fulfilled. So all these signs occur during the life of a single generation. This is us...?
There are many opinions abour the rapture. Some say it precedes antichrist/tribulation, others that follows, others sometime in between. You have to study the scriptures to decide yourself.
Finally all the above are assumptions, no one knows for sure. But on the other hand if these things are so vague that nobody can understand, why Jesus gave them to us?
GBU
Once the rapture happens, the tribulation does begin but it progressively gets worse if we follow the prophetic events in the Holy Bible. For example -- the anti-Christ may not rise up for a few years until after the tribulation begins but one of the early condemnations will be the mark of the beast (condemnation for those left behind and take it).
There's a slight contrast in the events which precede the rapture and which precede the 2nd coming (as they're not similar events or the same as some claim).
No signs precede Rapture. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3)
Signs precede Second Coming. ( Luke 21:11,15)
Many terrible things will happen in the midst of the tribulation and there will be earthquakes, war and overall unrest. Some things of read you in Revelation are some of the most terrifying to be known. Israel's role too if you contrast between the pre-tribulation rapture & the 2nd coming:
Israel is persecuted during the Tribulation. Two-in-three Jews in Israel are killed. ( Zechariah 13:8-9)
Israel is regathered. ( Jeremiah 23:5-8)
World famine, pestilence, war and sorrow follow the Rapture. ( Matthew 24:6-10; Luke 17:31)
World peace follows Christ's Second Coming when He reigns from Jerusalem ( Isaiah 11:6)
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Read alsow 1 Peter 4:1-7 and the rest. God's Word is always food in a just way.
The Word Is Alive. Stay blessed in Jesus Holy Name, love u in Christ
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