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  • Tony breedlove on John 19 - 1 year ago
    I am trying to understand if Jesus went to hell and if so why. I am 78yrs old and was saved at 19 yrs old. I have studied the Bible all these years and am just now trying the figure out. thank you.
  • Luke - In Reply on John 19 - 1 year ago
    Congrats on 19 years. Acts 2:31 speaking of Christ. " that his soul was not left in Hell, neither did his flesh see corruption. From the KJV bible.

    Christ had to preach to the spirits in prison. Hell is a prison with bars. Those spirits I think were the fallen angels he cast into hell.

    Matt 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

    Sheol is the name singular for grave. There is two compartments down there, Hell and Paradise/ Abraham's bosom. When one died before Christ died on the cross, one went to Hell or Abraham's bosom. Christ did not suffer in Hell, he suffered on the cross. However nobody could go to Heaven before Christ died on the cross, because the Lamb of God had not died and shed his blood to pay for sins. So Christ preaches to the spirits, goes next door to Paradise/Abraham's bosom and the souls were there resting, and now that the blood was shed.

    Ephesians 4:8 " Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

    9) Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth.

    So His soul fist goes to Hell , then next door and takes all the saved, led captivity and too all those saved to Heaven. No Abraham's bosom is empty for this age, but will be occupied again in the future.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on John 19 - 1 year ago
    Jesus took the wrath of God at the cross; and when his life ended; he said "it is finished" thus overcoming through His perfect sacrifice for our sake. Christ was to then go to the paradise section of hades; as He stated to the thief on the cross "today you shall b with me in paradise." He then went to set the captives free; as I believe Peter stated. He was; on his arrival there in His Spirit form to proclaim to those who were bound and already awaiting judgment (all lost and Nephilim; fallen angels in chains in the torment part); that He had triumphed over Satan; who now no longer holds the power of death (or restriction from entering heaven itself). Accordingly; He who is now absent from the body is present with the Lord if saved. He then; of course arose from the dead and many of the saints at that time apparently rose from the dead (a sort of first of the firstfuits). The souls of the saved O.T. saints would have been also able at that time to enter into heaven. That would of course also include the thief who would have had the shortest visit to paradise ever.

    Therefore; the message given there was a proclamation; it was too late for it to be a salvation message. Now; there is only a torment place in hedes; where the prisoners await final judgment at the White Throne Judgment.
  • ELB - In Reply on John 19 - 1 year ago
    Tony:

    There is flesh and blood: A BODY

    There is ONE SPIRIT: IMMORTAL LIFE

    Flesh and blood, the body, dies and returns to dust,

    Spirit, life, CANNOT die.

    Hell is a doctrine of man: If a body of flesh and blood was placed in literal fire, it would be consumed in a few minutes, there would be not eternal torment. No need for a second resurrection.

    If SPIRIT (there is only ONE SPIRIT and that SPIRIT IS GOD)( Ephesians 4:4-6) was placed in literal fire, it would not be affected.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    Lazarus and the rich man is a PARABLE.

    Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham, symbolic of the BORN AGAIN, being ONE with God.

    The rich man went to the GRAVE, a gulf that CANNOT be passed over UNTIL the second resurrection of the DEAD back to their flesh, to be judged and brought to TRUTH.

    There are TWO RESURRECTION, one has already occurred, Christ and those that were ORDAINED to have their part in that FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they (those CHOSEN to have their part in the first resurrection) DIE ANY MORE: for they (the CHOSEN) are equal into the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the (FIRST) resurrection.

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection ......

    The second resurrection TO JUDGEMENT, has not yet occurred BUT:

    Isaiah 26:9 ...For when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth (second resurrection) the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    1 Timothy 4:10 ...for we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN (even those in the second resurrection), specially those (in the first resurrection) who believe.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature (man) WAITETH (second resurrection) for the manifestation of the Sons of God (first resurrection).

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature (man) ITSELF shall ALSO be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (the GRAVE) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Evan. Carol Allen - In Reply on John 19 - 1 year ago
    He did..Jesus went to hell and took the keys to. hell

    death and the grave from the devil
  • Adam - In Reply on John 19 - 1 year ago
    Hi Tony,

    Maybe you're referring to: Ephesians 4:8-10 or 1 Peter 3:19.

    Perhaps you mean Jesus visited people, not "went" to hell as if it was a punishment. I believe the KJV says he descended into the lower parts of the earth, so it could have a different meaning.

    I don't believe the Bible says with 100% clarity why but I'm sure it was for an important purpose.
  • When Jesus raided Hell of the Prisoners - In Reply on John 19 - 1 year ago
    Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell.Scripture doesn't support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "SHEOL." It was to this place that all SOULS of the dead went to await resurrection.

    In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31).The KJV translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. HADES had two separated parts: Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in ABRAHAMS BOSOM which was called PARADISE by the LORD Jesus Christ himself when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

    For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated HELL here is not the Greek word HADES but is the Greek word TARTARUS meaning ABYSS or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the PLACE OF TORMENT and Abraham's Bosom Luke 16:26

    Wherefore He saith, When JESUS ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also DESCENDED first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things. Ephesians 4:8-10

    Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise, to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring Victory!



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