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  • Billy
    My grandson passed away never was taken to church. Will he go to heaven
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi Billy.

    My heart goes out to you and your family.

    God is Righteous. He's the judge of all earth. The bible is clear there will be levels of rewards in heaven. And there is levels of punishment. This tells us God has a orderly way by which he do things in a way only he can. He judge the heart and intent of Man. We are saved by mercy through faith, Something I believe a child and some mentally challenged people don't understand or comprehend. So I'm sure you can trust God will judge righteously.

    God bless.
  • Alex N - in Reply
    When Jesus told the Pharisees that the Harlots and the Whoremongers will go into the Kingdom of God b/f you...This is y i think in the end everybody is gona be saved...When he fed the multitudes he didn't want to lose not 1 crumb...He instructed his disciples to gather even the crumbs...Ya think if he didnt want to lose even 1 crumb that he wd lose 1 soul...I don't think so.

    .....He died for everybody..He paid the Price for everybody, we are ALL bought with a Price his blood....Even the Harlots and the

    ......Whoremongers are precious in his eyes....Scriptures says even the Islands of the seas shall be converted unto me...Its not his will that any shall parish. 2 nd Peter 3 : 9 But that all should come to repentance....ALL should come to repentance.

    .....If ya don't have a burden for a loss and a dying world you are not bornagain yet....We need to be TOUCHED with the infirmities of this world's pains and sorrows...It should be as a fire shup up in our bones as said Jeremiah....ok
  • GiGi - in Reply

    I am sorry for your loss of your grandson. I concur with Mishael. God is a righteous judge and we can trust Him to judge rightly in every person's case. So I pray that your heart will be at peace on this matter, though you miss him.
  • Dav47 - in Reply
    GOD is judge and no one but GOD knows what's in someone's heart at the moment of death. Some GOD takes from this earth because they are too good for it. Others HE blinds so that their soul will be saved ( Romans 11:8). Today's churches have become a den of thieves. Just because he never enters a church could be a good thing for GOD tells us in the end times not even to seek HIM in Bethel (meaning Gods house) for HE will not be there Amos 5:5; Amos 5:6. God saying don't seek the church but seek him, his houses of worship are not teaching his word; all they do is pass a collection plate to hear motivation speeches not the Word of God, not worth going to those type places. Don't get me wrong there are a very few out there that teach true Christianity and great if you find one that teaches verse by verse, chapter by chapter. But I haven't found but 1. Most today have become cults! And will lead their flock to deception, so I say just because he never entered church means nothing.
  • Suze - in Reply
    Hi Billy , you don't give many details about your grandson , personally I don't believe that very young children are saved . I lost three babies when I was a young woman , they never saw the light of day . I decided then not to try again , it's a very comforting thought to believe that they are with Christ now but there is no evidence in the Bible that speaks very definately on this subject . So no I don't think so but I would not be sad to find out that I am wrong about this . One thing you can know for sure is that your grandson is at peace , God is love Billy , and He loves us all very much .
  • ELB - in Reply

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

    1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that God sent his Son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

    Christ CANNOT be saviour of the world: without SAVING THE WORLD.

    Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS by that man who he hath ordained; whereof he hath GIVEN ASSURANCE unto ALL MEN, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...when thy judgements (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world (those raised back into their flesh at the second resurrection) WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    God Bless You!
  • Alex N - in Reply
    Billy This may be a bit of comfort Jesus told the theif on the cross this day you will be with me in Paradice... Luke 23 : 24...kjv
  • Suze - in Reply
    Alex ! Your words ( even though I know they are not exactly yours ) went straight to my heart today and I realised something . I am defo a bit dumb ! I realised what it means when Christ tells the thief that's crucified next to him , "To day shalt thou be with me in paradise " 1st Thessalonians Ch 4 V 13-18 . Christ was not in paradise that day but , the next thing that the thief shall be aware of is his own resurrection and entry into the Kingdom of God , Phillipians Ch 3 V 20+21 .
  • Jesse - in Reply

    You have been given some false hope that everyone will be saved in the end. The bible never says that everyone will be saved in the end. In fact, the bible says that in the end, at the Great White Throne Judgement, many will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity.

    Now, concerning your grandson, my heart breaks for you. I am a grandfather myself and I can't even begin to imagine the feeling of losing a grandchild. I don't think there is a way to answer your question with 100% surety.

    I think there are some factors in play here, age and mental capacity would be a couple of factors. Going to church is not a deciding factor on who goes to heaven and who does not. I don't think God cares how often we go to church, or if we even go at all. I think what cares about is our hearts response to Him.

    Maybe your grandson was too young to comprehend God or comprehend the gospel message of salvation. If that's the case, then I would like to believe that God, being a just God, would take that into consideration, and I would like to believe that your grandson is with Him in heaven now, but I just can't tell you that for sure. I don't think any of us here can. I pray that the Lord will bring you comfort from the loss of your grandson.
  • Alex N - in Reply
    We all have to go thru the lake of fire,...Jesus said every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire but its a cleasing fire for our old adamic nature that is in rank with satan....Jesus plainly tells us i come to bring fire on the earth which is his baptism of fire and the H.G....His judgement is his love for us...And absolutely nothing can separtate us from the love of God.

    .....Who shall abide the day of his coming, Who shall stand when he appears for he shall shall be as a REFINERS FIRE AND FULLERS SOAP... Mal. 3 : 2 kjv ....Jesus tells us i come to bring fire on the earth...Which is a spritual Fire for our old adamic nature...Which is baptism of the H.G. and Fire...But this is his love for us.

    ....Our God is a consuming fire that is gonna consume our old adamic nature....Jesus cd not tell us he came to save mens lives and then not save everyone by his BLOOD....Only our old adamic nature is gona be lost but he is in rank with satan.

    ..... Romans 8 : 32 Absolutely nothin can separate us from the love of God....Not even DEATH

    ....Even in the O.T. it was only the forskin that was cast into the fire...Not the whole man...If thy right hand offend thee cut it off....Our right hand is our old adamic nature that is in rank with satan.

    ....Ya gotta reaize OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE...But his fire is also his love for us...We chastise our children simply b/c we love them.

    ....God is not a respector of persons, we all need his blood washing no body is exempt...Thus everybody has to go thru his lake of fire...God told Jeremiah that he wd put his words in Jeremiah's mouth and his words wd be as a FIRE TO CONSUME the ppl. Jeremiah 5 : 14....That COMSUMING FIRE IS SIMPLY HIS WORDS....The living words of God....ok GBU...God so loved the world
  • Marco Walker - in Reply
    Yess,You would know. God won't let you be worried. Love you!
  • LaRule - in Reply
    Depends on the age/maturity of you grandson generally children are protected from going anywhere but right next to God I believe until your about 13 or 14 is when a person is mature enough to comprehend and able to read the Bible with an understanding that makes you accountable for all your actions at that maturity level which is different for all children and you don't have to go to church to go to heaven you just need to believe and accept the lord into your heart and mind and be renewed and walk the way god expects you to.
  • Losing a Child - in Reply
    God alone will judge. If the child was younger, trust God for mercy. And this may be a call to you to evangelize children in your family and neighborhood.

    "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" ( Genesis 18:25)? This is a great comfort to those of us with loved ones who have passed into eternity and we are not sure of the destination of their souls. God is a sovereign Judge of righteousness, full of grace and mercy to all who call upon Him. It is His very justice that offers a "way" for all to escape the judgment of His righteousness, and it is in that justice that we must rest. It is grace that saves us, and it is grace in which we must stand when we go through the double grief of the death of an unsaved loved one. We must remember that we cannot make this choice for anyone else, and if they went into eternity without Christ, that was their choice in spite of the offer of grace.

    Although we may have pain in the remembrance of that loved one while we are in this life and go through the grief process, there will come a time when each born-again believer will be with the Lord. In that day "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" ( Revelation 21:4). We cannot comprehend how that will be because we live in time and are constrained by our finite minds. However, just the thought of that is enough to bring comfort and encouragement. When we see the Lord, all of the sorrow we have now will disappear. "You now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you" ( John 16:22). In the meantime, we can lean on the everlasting arms of God, who feels our pain and comforts us with His great love and mercy.

    Mishael: again, trust Gods judgment. Ask Jesus to help carry this pain for you. Come back here for fellowship. You see how much we do care and respond.
  • Jake - in Reply
    no billy unless he was very young,too young to understand. or unless he accepted Christ as his Saviour
  • Bj - in Reply
    People get saved out side of church for you think the thief on the cross went to church no he believed and was sorry for his sin one never knows what goes on in hearts trust the Lord and His precious love and mercy yep even outside of the Church
  • Adam - in Reply
    Jesus is powerful enough to make exceptions to whomever He wants, but He didn't say all thieves on crosses from now on will instantly go to heaven, or all criminals will go to heaven instantly upon death, or everyone death row will automatically go to heaven, or all Christians will go to heaven, or that all people will go to heaven instantly upon death. No, He only said to the one person next to Him that he's be in "paradise." The other thief didn't receive this.

    Secondly, paradise could be a different place than heaven. Some think it may be a place for souls to wait until Jesus's return and judgment then salvation. That would make more logical sense, because Jesus said the dead will rise at that time to meet Jesus in the air then be judged. It doesn't make sense for anyone to skip judgment and go to heaven when they haven't even been judged yet, only to go back to earth in their body and repeat the process. The Bible says "all will be judged" on a particular day.

    I personally believe what the Bible says in these verses:

    Daniel 12:2, Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:18-20, Matthew 9:24.
  • Paradise or Heaven - in Reply
    Dear Adam,

    I agree with you that not everybody go to heaven. I believe many will end up in Hell. As a matter of fact, the bible says somewhere I think in Matthew that there will be more people end up in Hell than Heaven. I think paradise was that it was a place called Abrahams Bussom. There were two separate sides in Hades, and on one side (Abrahams Bussom) were all the OT believers who had died, and on the other side were people who died as non-believers. When Jesus died, didn't his spirit went into the lower parts of the earth and he released those who were in Abrahams Bussum. Right now, only one of those two places exist and it is full of both OT non-believers, and all those who have rejected Jesus in NT times. As far as judgment goes, when you say that "The Bible says "all will be judged" on a particular day," are you saying that everyone, both believers and non-believers will be judged on the same day, a "particular day?" If that's what you are saying, then that is incorrect. Hopefully that's not what you are saying. You seem to be very smart on the bible and I don't think that's hwat you say. The bible talks about two separate judgments (Bema Seat) for believers, and then another judgement (Great White Throne) for non-believers. The judgment for believers is not to determine heaven or hell, but what their reward/s will be throughout eternity. The GWT judgement happens after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and only non-believer will stand before God at that judgment. It's good to know that you personally believe in the five verses that you listed. Can you explain what you believe about those verses? Otherwise, how are we to know if what you believe is the correct truth? Thank you ahead of time for explaining. GBU
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hello sir or madam, I am happy to dialog with you if you share your name so I know who I'm communicating with and if you are respectful. Just saying someone is "incorrect" without any scriptures to back it up isn't getting off on the right foot, however.

    I believe all will be judged on a particular day because the Bible says the phrase "day of judgment", "the day when", the "last day". It doesn't say there's multiple days of judgment or a week or month or years of judgment, or that judgment is only whenever you die. Here's some examples:

    1 John 4:17 "day of judgment"

    Matthew 12:36 "day of judgment"

    2 Peter 2:9 "day of judgment"

    Matthew 11:22 "day of judgment"

    2 Corinthians 5:10 "we must all"

    Romans 2:16 - "the day when"

    John 12:48 "last day"

    Revelation 20:12-15 is a vision, but that verse also indicates multitudes judged at once does it not? So, the scriptural support is strong. Do you feel you have just as much scriptural support against this? Do you know of any verses that say the the opposite?

    Aside from being a particular day, you questioned that all will be judged, and suggested 2 different judgments.

    We also know this judgment is for everyone, because in verse 15 it says those not found in the book of life were cast into the fire. So, this event sorted people. It doesn't say that in this judgment ALL went to hell or ALL went to heaven. A judgment is a judgment of each individual "according to their works" and determines where they go according to verse 15.

    "If that's what you are saying, then that is incorrect."

    If your belief is based on scripture then please share it. If your belief is not based on scripture then you have greater concerns.

    "Otherwise, how are we to know if what you believe is the correct truth?"

    Since you didn't provide any scriptural support someone is more likely to ask you this.

    God bless.
  • Paradise or Heaven - in Reply

    Thank's for the reply. My apology if I offended you. Now that I know that you are sensitive about someone disagreeing with you, I'll be more careful. Maybe just saying I respectfully disagree would be better? I am not disagreeing that everyone will have their day of judgement. We will all stand before the Lord one day. I just don't believe that both believers and non-believers get judged together at the same day. 2 Corinthians 5:10 is for believers only. This is the Bema seat of Christ. This judgment for believers is to determine their reward. It's described in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3. Believers pass through the fire, and whatever is of Christ, we will receive a reward, and whatever is not will burn, but we as believers will be saved ( 1 Corinthians 3:15). I'm glad you mentioned Revelation 20:12-15. To answer your question, yes, it does indicate multitudes will be judged at once, but multitudes doesn't necessarily mean both believers and non-believers together. It just says multitudes. So who are they? According to the verses that precede this, these multitudes are non-believers who will be at the Great White Throne judgment ( Revelation 20:11). They are resurrected after the 1,000 reign of Christ, and they (multitudes) will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. They don't take part in the first resurrection. There will be no believers at this judgment because this resurrection takes place after the 1,000 year reign, and Revelation 20:6 tells us that we (believers) take part in the first resurrection, the second death has no power over us, and that we will be reigning with Christ for 1,000 years. While we are reigning with Christ, all the non-believers are still in the grave awaiting their resurrection and judgment. Everyone at that judgment (Multitudes) will be cast into the lake of fire. No person at the GWT judgment will escape the second death in the lake of fire.
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hello Sir or Madam, I don't know what your goal is of initiating communication, but you already seem to have your mind made up. You didn't share any scriptures supporting your narrative so I don't believe any of those things said. You copy/pasted some verses I already shared, but they don't support your view. I hope you consider praying about this before sharing ideas in public not found in God's Word. God bless.
  • Mishael - in Reply
    How old was he?
  • Alex N - in Reply
    Yes ...Billy I believe he will be saved in the end....As our lord died for everYbody...If i be lifted up I will draw ALL men unto ME.

    .... Romans 10 : 20 I was found of them that sought me NOT ...I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

    ....In Adam we all die but in Christ we will ALL live...1 st Cor. 15 : 22...God so loved the world that he gave his only son.

    ....If in this life only we have hope we are of ALL men most miserable...1 st Cor.. 15 : 19

    .....GOD cd not apply the curse of Adam to ALL men no exceptions...But NOT... apply the BLOOD of Christ that 2 nd ADAM TO ALL MEN....Thats y he is saying if i be LIFTED UP i will draw ALL men unto me....See the blood ?

    The Bible cd not even refer to Jesus as that 2 nd Adam if his blood was not applied to every man no exception.

    Isaiah 63 : 3..I like what Isaiah said ....He wd STAIN ALL HIS RAIMENT...We are all his raiment.. i was naked and you clothe me...
  • Bj - in Reply
    But some will not accept this truth
  • ELB - in Reply

    Not everyone was ordained to take part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.

    If your part IS NOT in the first resurrection; you lay in the grave until the SECOND RESURRECTION.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS of GOD (first resurrection).

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF also shall be DELIVERED (second resurrection) from bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things (including death and the grave) shall be subdued unto him ..... GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

    1 Corinthians 15:54 .....Death is swallowed up in victory.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Alex N - in Reply
    Amen and amen elb gbu...beautiful post
  • Jake - in Reply
    No, unless he asked Christ to save him from his sins.

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