Were 'not the tithes us in the bible first by Abraham who gave a 10th to Melchizadak. Then to the tribe of Levites. Who where the priest that did not have any land at that time. Where does it command us to pay tithes now. Offerings yes but tithes. Where does God command .What is your response to this?
Torrie gbu but Jesus taught contrary to tithes...saying to count the cost its gonna cost ya everything...If aman forsake not all that he has he cannot be my disciple...Paul said i have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung that i might win Christ and be found in him etc...This new covenant is gona cost ya everything...The early CHURCH had to sell everything they had and share it with everybody and anybody ...Jesus taught them to not worry about tomorrow but seek ye the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you...We even have to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice to his Glory his kingdom etc...Thats y Jesus told them to count the cost before you follow me...Its gonna cost ya everything ya got...no more tithes...but everything ya got including your life...Go and sell everything you have and give it to the poor then come and follow me...Its gonna cost ya everything...ya even have leave your wife and children...If any man love wife or children more them me he is not worthy of me and whosoever puts his hands to the plow and looks back is not worthy of me...YA STILL WANNA FOLLOW Christ Jesus....If he calls, you will not mind to lose everything for him...There is a kingdom to be had
...k
....But Jesus said if he feeds the birds of the air he will surely feed you
I have noticed that "tithing" has been disproportionately applied under the direction of church pastors who are looking to grow their income. In some cases I see it crossing into manipulation, coercion, and even deceit. I've seen evidence of some pastors who acted justified that they were entitled to a larger salary, a larger building, a private airplane, more materialism to "further the kingdom." The same church might dismiss other old testament laws, but when it comes to this topic they have no problem quoting the old testament. Of course not everyone has abused this and most start off with honorable intentions, but it sure is a dangerous path for some to be on.
If giving is truly about the heart and not fulfilling a perceived obligation to an old law, then assigning a percentage to it seems to defeat the purpose. I also believe that someone's time, labor, and objects have value, not just cash.
There is no command to tithe today. Offerings are given out of good will and tithes are now used to supposedly "fund" ministries. I've met some great pastors who knew better than to teach modern tithing and worked honest jobs to keep the electricity on in their churches.
Believers are no longer under the Abrahamic/Mosaic covenant ( Rom. 6:14-15; 7:5-6; Gal. 3:15-4:7; 2 Cor. 3:4-18).
Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests ( 1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest ( Heb. 7).
When Jesus affirmed the tithe, it was before the dawn of the new covenant
Some defend tithing by saying Jesus praised tithing, even if he said it was less important than other things ( Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). This argument appears strong, but it's not persuasive. Jesus also mentioned offering sacrifices in the temple ( Matt. 5:23-24), but Christians don't think-even if the temple were rebuilt-that we should do that. Our Lord's words are understandable when we think about his location in redemptive history.
Careful, if any man asks for tithe now -- I'd ask them "what covenant are we under and could I have a receipt showing that tithe went to 'help the church' and not to make a down payment on your new car?"
I believe there's nothing wrong with giving offering to a ministry. Missionaries give offerings to help build churches in third-world countries, provide food or clothing and do this without mandate. If you're giving an offering out of fellowship; there's nothing wrong with that. But let no man tell you tithes are mandatory...unless we're back under the Law and all belief is in vain.
There is no place in the NT that commands a believer to tithe. The OT tithe requirement meant that you were to give 10 percent of everything you owned, not just money. How many do that today? Now, if a believer chooses to give 10 percent of their income to the church, that's okay, but it's not required.
2 Corinthians 9:6-7 gives us the principles of giving. "But this I say, He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which sows bountifully, (and that's the word blessing). He who sows a blessing shall also reap a blessing. Every man according as he purposes in his own heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, (that's the word grief), or of necessity: (and that's the word pressure), for God loves a cheerful giver.
The term cheerful giver in the Greek is the word hilarious. God loves a hilarious giver. And no, I've never seen one!
This is also covered in Proverbs. Basically, God's principle is this: He blesses us with more than our necessity, because we are a steward of our possessions that belong to Christ. There are needs in the body of Christ and a lot of them God creates on purpose just so we participate in helping those in need.
There's a principle in the OT that's carried over that if God blesses us with an abundance of more than what we need, and we decide to spend it on ourselves, He has a way of making that money go to waste if we're not going to use it under His direction.
I'm not saying that everything we spend on ourselves is selfish. I'm just stating principle. We are dictating to God what He gives to us. If I'm going to sow sparingly, I'm going to reap sparingly. But if we sow a blessing, we reap a blessing!
It's a heart condition, not an amount. It's the attitude of what we do with what God gives us. It's up to each individual to purpose in their own heart whether they want to be the steward of their possessions in service to Christ. We're not to give out of grief, nor out of stress, for God loves a cheerful giver!
...k
....But Jesus said if he feeds the birds of the air he will surely feed you
I have noticed that "tithing" has been disproportionately applied under the direction of church pastors who are looking to grow their income. In some cases I see it crossing into manipulation, coercion, and even deceit. I've seen evidence of some pastors who acted justified that they were entitled to a larger salary, a larger building, a private airplane, more materialism to "further the kingdom." The same church might dismiss other old testament laws, but when it comes to this topic they have no problem quoting the old testament. Of course not everyone has abused this and most start off with honorable intentions, but it sure is a dangerous path for some to be on.
If giving is truly about the heart and not fulfilling a perceived obligation to an old law, then assigning a percentage to it seems to defeat the purpose. I also believe that someone's time, labor, and objects have value, not just cash.
Believers are no longer under the Abrahamic/Mosaic covenant ( Rom. 6:14-15; 7:5-6; Gal. 3:15-4:7; 2 Cor. 3:4-18).
Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests ( 1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6), with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest ( Heb. 7).
When Jesus affirmed the tithe, it was before the dawn of the new covenant
Some defend tithing by saying Jesus praised tithing, even if he said it was less important than other things ( Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). This argument appears strong, but it's not persuasive. Jesus also mentioned offering sacrifices in the temple ( Matt. 5:23-24), but Christians don't think-even if the temple were rebuilt-that we should do that. Our Lord's words are understandable when we think about his location in redemptive history.
Careful, if any man asks for tithe now -- I'd ask them "what covenant are we under and could I have a receipt showing that tithe went to 'help the church' and not to make a down payment on your new car?"
I believe there's nothing wrong with giving offering to a ministry. Missionaries give offerings to help build churches in third-world countries, provide food or clothing and do this without mandate. If you're giving an offering out of fellowship; there's nothing wrong with that. But let no man tell you tithes are mandatory...unless we're back under the Law and all belief is in vain.
There is no place in the NT that commands a believer to tithe. The OT tithe requirement meant that you were to give 10 percent of everything you owned, not just money. How many do that today? Now, if a believer chooses to give 10 percent of their income to the church, that's okay, but it's not required.
2 Corinthians 9:6-7 gives us the principles of giving. "But this I say, He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which sows bountifully, (and that's the word blessing). He who sows a blessing shall also reap a blessing. Every man according as he purposes in his own heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, (that's the word grief), or of necessity: (and that's the word pressure), for God loves a cheerful giver.
The term cheerful giver in the Greek is the word hilarious. God loves a hilarious giver. And no, I've never seen one!
This is also covered in Proverbs. Basically, God's principle is this: He blesses us with more than our necessity, because we are a steward of our possessions that belong to Christ. There are needs in the body of Christ and a lot of them God creates on purpose just so we participate in helping those in need.
There's a principle in the OT that's carried over that if God blesses us with an abundance of more than what we need, and we decide to spend it on ourselves, He has a way of making that money go to waste if we're not going to use it under His direction.
I'm not saying that everything we spend on ourselves is selfish. I'm just stating principle. We are dictating to God what He gives to us. If I'm going to sow sparingly, I'm going to reap sparingly. But if we sow a blessing, we reap a blessing!
It's a heart condition, not an amount. It's the attitude of what we do with what God gives us. It's up to each individual to purpose in their own heart whether they want to be the steward of their possessions in service to Christ. We're not to give out of grief, nor out of stress, for God loves a cheerful giver!
the old was a shadow of the new.
abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war.
there is a war going on in the new.
flesh against spirit.
truth against deception.
when we come to truth were are the tenth, and offering to god in righteousness.
any other tithe is the traditions of man, deception.
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