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  • Robert E. Krotzer on 2 Thessalonians 2
    The strong delusion that is the lie in 2 Thess. 2:11 is called: "The finished work of Christ on the cross" which cancels and denies the fact that "Christ Jesus took our place in hell." Preaching a lie saves no one; God hates liars! We are dipped in water in likeness of Jesus who God dipped in hell as Rom.6:3-5 tells. God cut his 3 days and 3 nights horrific suffering there in half to 36 hrs. (3 pm Fri. to 3 am Sun.) If you do not know that someone took your place in hell you will go there!
  • Marke - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2
    There is a reason the Bible does not say Jesus "took our place" on the cross or in hell or that He died as "our substitute." Such wording is not completely accurate and therefore not in the Bible. Jesus took His place on the cross as a sinless substitute for the sins of the whole world because there was none other to take that place. Furthermore, Jesus did for the sins of the whole world, not just sinners, so if He had taken the place of all sinners in the world then there is no reason for any sinner to have to die for or in his own sins.
  • Robert E. Krotzer - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2
    Just as I said, you are ignorant of the Gospel in the King James Bible that is: "Christ Jesus took our place in hell." He said he would be in the heart of the earth ( Matt. 12:40) and greatly feared going there, praying in agony, and sweating blood, not to go there ( Luke 22:42-44). The wicked dead are only in hell. "He made his grave with the wicked" Isaiah 53:9-10 where "his SOUL was made an offering for sin" and Jesus would "be the FIRST that should rise from the DEAD" as Acts 26:23 tells you and "His soul was not left in hell." Acts 2:31 clearly tells you. Jesus did what no man can do; anyone can die on a cross, and anyone can go into hell, but only Jesus came out of hell after 36 hours which no other soul has done. God raise Jesus from the DEAD and unless you believe THAT you cannot be saved. Without someone taking your place in hell you will go there. This is Christianity 101; Why do you not know this? You believe the strong delusional lie that denies that Jesus suffered in hell which saves no one! God made the Gospel so simple; just know that "Christ Jesus took your place in hell" and you HAVE Eternal Life! Where is your brain?
  • James - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2

    Matthew 12:40 says " For as Jonas was three days and three nights In the whale's belly so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"

    That comes to a full 72 hours not 36. Not sure I your math was off accidentally or purposefully.

    For all this business of a person having to know that Christ did do this and all the suffering that he went through is a bit heavy. Yes a person needs to know that Jesus bore his/her sins on the cross, died and was buried, then on the third day he rose conquering death and hell. But the simple fact is that it isn't required to know this.

    John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life"

    Jesus hasn't been to the cross and here he is telling Nicodemus how to be saved...without the knowledge of what Jesus will go through.

    Take Phillip and the eunuch in Acts 8:26-40. Yes the eunuch was reading in Isaiah 53:7 concerning the prophecy of Christ having to endure the suffering and death of the cross but when the eunuch saw water he asked. "See here is water. what doth hinder me to be baptized? and Phillip said, if thou believest with all think heart thou mayest. And he answered and said I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Acts 8:36-37

    Acts 16:23-34 tells of the time Paul and Silas we're in Philippi, arrested and beaten with whips and thrown into prison with the jailer given orders to keep them safely. We learn that en earthquake cames and broke the foundation of the prison, with the doors opened and their bands loosed. The jailer came out and thinking his prisoners escaped was about to kill himself. Paul cries out for him to not do so.

    Bringing us to verse 30, "And brought them out and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

    And they said, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and they house."

    That's just 2 passages showing the simplicity of salvation.
  • Grae - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2
    Hell is the grave , being dead permanently is hell . Ceasing to exist . Psalm 16 , especially V 9+10 .
  • Robert:

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And WHEN all thing SHALL BE subdued to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be subject to HIM (the Father) that put all things under him, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

    Meditate on this verse:

    Can man be in hell and these WORDS OF GOD BE TRUE?

    Man can be IN THE GRAVE; until he is raised up and brought to truth.

    The wages of sin is DEATH.

    God Bless You!

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