Bible Discussion Thread

What does the Bible mean by,, a great falling away?

We can look to most congregations today that were holding to basic Bible doctrines a century ago that now abandoning basic truths on the literal descriptions of hell; embracing New Age concepts or doctrines of demons causing manifestations (such as the "Toronto blessing" and Pensacola revival; etc. We are seeing a divorce rate the same as the world; remarriages (which all the early church fathers were against if a spouse was still living up to Erasmus); bringing women into positions of authority against scripture; evolution ascribed as truth; acceptance of deviant sexual practices clearly spoken against in Romans 1 and other scriptures; and basically the "love of many will grow cold." ( Matthew 24:12). This could be what the lukewarmness of the Laodiceans represents in Revelation. The characteristics in 2 Tim. 3:2 of the last days fits in; as well as the admonition that God is going to judge the church first ( 1 Peter 4:17). When Christ comes (the Rapture or perhaps the second coming); He states "will He find faith on the earth" ( Luke 18:8).

Whether some are left behind is another matter; but we are told that we should be praying always to be worthy to escape in Luke; and Rev. 3:10 states that that church will miss the hour of trial to come on the whole earth (i.e. the Tribulation).

Another issue today is that we don't want o preach that repentance in necessary for a genuine conversion. We also assume that sin can be taken lightly since Christ forgave all our sins at the cross. If He lives within us; we can no longer be content with sin; and if we are not being chastised then scripture says we are "bastards" (KJV). We are not teaching that all who are godly in Christ are going to suffer persecution; or there is some anomaly with all these big time preachers. "That which is honorable to men is an abomination to God." ( Luke 16:15). I may be off on the wording; but we need to be separate from the world and not laud their approval.

Hi Bill.

It means apostasia a "defection from the truth." ( Apostasy).

There is many opostates in our midst today. I wouldn't call them members of the Church, they're not called out. These can be called tares as seen in Mathew 13:24-30. You see Jude mention of certain men crept in our midst in

Jude 1:3-4.

It was going on in Pauls day. Acts 20:29-31.

Jesus warned his disciples of this in Matthew 7:15.

So Apostasy isn't something new to the Church.

But 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. has a future climax.

vs.2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

vs.3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Jesus asks in Luke "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find the faith on the earth?" The answer is No.

We have 2 departures going on here,

1) The organization has departed from the faith.

2) The true Church has departed from the Earth.

There can be no total Apostasy until the Church is removed.

This notes what must happen before the great tribulation.

God bless.

Bill thats a good question...I think it started with the early Church when Paul wrote i hear there is divisions among you...The Church began to fragment...Jesus had said i am the light of the world but the nite comes when no man can work...Which implies that great falling away etc...Paul wrote to some saying lie not one to another...Just as Davids 1st Child with Bathsheba died in its infancy...The relationship between Jesus and the early Church resulted in a child Called Christianity...But the Child was sick and died in its infancy...As there is no more Original Christianity...But there is gonna be a 2 nd Child ...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN A 2 ND TRAVAILING.. Gal 4 : 19 ...It was the 2 nd Child with Bathsheba that God wanted to build the great temple...Solomon was the 2 nd Child...Which answers to the H.G. the Child of Promise....The 2 nd wine was the best wine and on the 3 r day....She brought forth a Manchild that is gonna rule all nations...The Manchild is the 2 nd Child which is that new covenant the 3r day when the book is opened ...That 2 nd Child is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE..The multiplication of Christ Jesus....in us via his good seed

.....Isaiah had said Darkness will cover the earth and gross darkness the ppl....We see this great darkness every day...All the Churches are eat up with materialistic things and Money....And football and every kind of foolishness....That great abomination of desolation is upon us...And our schools teach homosexuallity...How sick is that ?...Makes me wanna puke when i watch TBN..Its just as Isaiah said darkness will cover the earth and gross darkness the ppl...And Jesus said i am the light of the world but the night comes when no man can work...6.5 million Jews died in Hitlers death camps...How SICK is that ?

Why did you remove my comment, especially when we are getting so close to a catastrophic event?

If you can't repost my comment, I won't post anymore.

Read the comment guidelines for the site. We're here to encourage each other with sound doctrine, peace and civility. You tried derailing the discussion with replacement theology, passive verbal attacks and conspiracy theory.

Bill, Unfortunately it means that many will turn there back on God and fall from Grace. It is important to remember that God doesn't walk away from anyone. Man has a free will and at times unfortunately chooses to use it for the wrong reason.

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The son of perdition almost without any doubt is the anti-christ. So, we know the anti-christ will not reveal himself until the rapture has happened. Jesus is going to take the church before the rapture but what will trigger the rapture to commence and the son of perdition to come? A falling away must happen. The falling away is the apostasy of the church. If the church was serving God and Holy as it was during the Philadelphia church age (think during the 19th century how you could find the Bible in everything like schools, literature, even Noah Webster's original dictionary). Today, most churches are so apostate - you can't tell the difference between them and a secular community center. The church has become lukewarm today as a whole (not Christ's body but the manner of what man has perverted into Christianity). We've been falling away as far as I can tell since the 1940's. By the 40's (if not earlier) - secularism was becoming more common in worship, new Bible versions (which remove or change the meaning of God's word) and pastors began to seek after money and spectacles rather than sole saving.

2 Thessalonians 2:3

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.