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  • Marke on 1 Corinthians 15:5 - 2 years ago
    1 Corinthians 15:22

    1 Corinthians 15:22

    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    This verse does not mean that every sinner born on earth will go to hell any more than it means every sinner born on earth will be made alive in Christ. However, every sinner now on earth lives, moves, and has his being because of Christi just as ever human who ever lived or lives now will experience death in the flesh because of Adam.

    John 3 tells us that sinners who do not believe in Jesus are already condemned. Why are they condemned, because they were born of Adam? No, they are condemned because they have not believed in Jesus. God does not condemn sinners to hell for the sins of others, but for their own sin.

    Ezekiel 18:20

    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
  • Marke - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5 - 2 years ago
    Romans 5

    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

    17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

    21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Of course I believe that all men inherit the sin nature from Adam, but nobody is condemned to hell forever for Adam's sin. Sinners are condemned to hell for their own sin. There is a difference.

    God rebuked those who misrepresented the truth by claiming God was judging them for the sins of others, including their fathers (Adam was the father of sinners). In Ezekiel 18 He rebuked the claim that "the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.

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  • RichFairhurst - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5 - 2 years ago
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    The verb tense for "die" is Present Indicative Active, but the verb tense for "shall be made alive" is Future Indicative Passive.

    The future indicative expresses the occurrence of an action in future time.

    The passive voice implies that the subject did not initiate that action or state, but is the recipient of it.

    Living and moving and having my being in Christ should not need to wait until a future event occurs and I feel reasonably active with Christ in those things now, especially moving, along with everyone else if this is talking about the curent state of being alive that is experienced by believers and unbelievers alike. Seems strange to suddenly bring that up in the middle of a chapter entirely devoted to defending the doctrine of the necessity of Christ's resurrection and doubter questions about the nature and future state of believers following the resurrection.

    Saying 1 Corinthians 15:22 isn't the resurrection is ridiculous. Here is that passage in context.

    1 Corinthians 15:17-24

    17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    "shall be made alive" is the resurrection dude. And ALL mankind will be resurrected by Christ by the end of verse 24, either to eternal life or the lake of fire.

    Out of context you can make a verse say anything, and you have done that here.
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5 - 2 years ago
    Originally I wrote a post saying that trying to show that "shall be made alive" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 is more than just physical resurrection may be trying to prove too much. But I was wrong.

    The word translated "shall be made alive" zoopoiethesontai is derived from a word that is used in the New Testament for being resurrected or quickened to eternal life. Here are the other passages that use derivatives of this word:

    John 5:21

    John 6:63

    Romans 4:17

    Romans 8:11

    1 Corinthians 15:36

    1 Corinthians 15:45

    2 Corinthians 3:6

    Galatians 3:21

    1 Peter 3:18

    This word cannot mean life common to all men living and moving and having their being in Christ, nor can it mean simply resurrection to either eternal life or the second death. Under this meaning I am persuaded that the word "all" in 1 Corinthians cannot be an unlimited universal "all" and in both instances where it is used in this passage it is limited by the words "in Adam" and "in Christ". "In Christ" appears to be used in this passage by Paul in a similar way to the way he uses that phrase and the phrase "in Him" in Ephesians.

    Ephesians 1:2-4,7,10,13,20

    Ephesians 2:6-7,10,13,20-22

    Ephesians 3:6,11-12

    Ephesians 4:32

    This also suggests that "all men" in Romans 5:18 is limited by the "one man" being referenced, either Adam or Christ.

    The connection that Adam and Christ share in common with the "all" in 1 Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:8 has several different interpretations that have been offered. Personally I believe there is a federal headship connection. "Things done by one may be imputed unto others, propter relationem foederalem, because of a covenant relation between them." Hodge

    I also believe Adam and Christ are uniquely qualified and appointed by God to be the first fruits of their respective seed. No other human beings can be presented before God in the way they can.
  • Marke - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5 - 2 years ago
    I'm not saying that not all men will be resurrected. I am saying that nobody goes to hell for Adam's sin but all humans will die physically because of the sin they inherited from Adam.

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  • GiGi - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5 - 2 years ago
    Thank you Marke,

    That is uplifting analysis.



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