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  • James on Joel 2
    This chapter seems to fit the current world events far more than in the past.

    I think the key to unlocking the prophecies regarding satan let loose, Gog and Magog, the Northern army, the day of the Lord, is to understand who the House of Israel is in the latter days. Hint: all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. Many Israelites are regathered under one Shepherd and fulfill the unconditional Abrahamic covenant
  • Roman - in Reply on Joel 2
    James,

    This is a remarkable capture of the day of the Lord missile strike on US of Babylon. How the missiles are described so 21st century is uncanny. Advanced, Hypersonic, unstoppable. if you have seen a sub fire off 6 missiles, they all go on their own separate paths, unrestricted. They enter in the windows like a thief. Like Jesus thief, coming with His beast army to lay the land desolate. A Russian promo video shows Sarmat dropping Mach 20 warheads over Florida. That fits perfectly "from the south to the north" ( Ezekiel 21:4). The 6th trumpet attack is depicted from the "south to the north", also referred to as "whirlwinds in the south". Mystery Babylon is attacked from the south to the north.

    ( Joel 2:4-11)

    4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

    5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

    6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

    7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

    8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

    9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

    10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

    11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Israel of God, the Children of God, are a Spiritual Race, not a physical ethnic race. How can we be sure?

    "God is a Spirit"

    John 4:24

    "... Israel is My son; even My first-born:"

    Exod. 4:22

    If God is a Spirit, His children must be of the Spirit; not a physical race of people who are centralized in one place in the world. God told us He would strike the Shepherd (Jesus) and the sheep would be scattered. The Israel/Children of God are among every race and in every corner of the world.

    "... They which are the children of THE FLESH, these are NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: ..."

    Rom. 9:8

    The Children of the Spirit are of God; THEY are the True Israel.

    The Day of the Lord in Joel is the same as in Isaiah 13:9-11 & Matt. 24:29-31. It is the Wrath of God, final day judgment. Jesus returns on the very last day of the world which eliminates the possibility of a Millennium period BEFORE these things take place.

    Jesus tells us in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; John 11:24 & John 12:48 that He is coming on the Last Day of the world. That is the SAME DAY that the Wrath of God takes place. That's why it is called the Lord's (Jesus') Day.

    These verses coincide perfectly with the Matt. and Isaiah verses above.

    "A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, ..."

    Joel 2:2

    "The earth shall quake ... the heavens shall tremble: the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army: for the Day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

    Joel 2:10-11

    "...let the Bridegroom go forth of His chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (this is Jesus returning for His saints on the same day as the Wrath of God/Day of the Lord - coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31)

    "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord come."

    Joel 2:31

    There is no place for 1,000 yrs between Jesus' return and the Wrath of God. It does not fit.
  • Aaron - in Reply
    Brother SolaScrip,

    Those 2 verses from ( Matthew 24:29-30) are not the same. The 2 verses are separated by 42 months.

    Immediately after the tribulation starts the great tribulation, lasting 42 months. The saints are sealed prior to the great tribulation, and 42 months later, resurrected into Jesus Messiah's army.

    (vs 29) depicts the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, 2nd woe.

    (vs 30) depicts the 7th trumpet, day of the Lord's vengeance, 3rd woe.

    To make a fair assessment of prophesy, you have to gather context. The astounding thing here is you swear up and down you are are correct, and I'm here to tell you again, your testimony is inaccurate. It is easy to verify between the 2 verses because there is an abundance of parallel instances. The 6th trumpet is the 7th trumpet, is what your saying. Think it over, study it, and let me know what you find.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Aaron, the verses that you are making the final word on the matter are verses from a book that has no literal, nor linear, translation whatsoever.

    The last word in Mt.24:29 is shaken: (followed by a semi-colon: ) that means that the next word was part of the same sentence in the original writing.

    Isaiah 13:9-11 reveals itself to take place on the exact same day as Mat. 24:29-31 with specific 'signature' descriptions of events.

    If your only evidence is Revelation, don't waste your time replying. God is not the author of confusion; what you are claiming, my friend, is nothing short of the epitome of confusion. Jesus wouldn't have SPOKEN the words in verse 29-30 if He was hiding something in between. And if He HAD BEEN, He would've cleared it up in scripture just as He did with the Wheat and Tares doctrine of Mt. 13.

    1 Cor. 15:22-24 makes crystal clear that THE END comes IMMEDIATELY after Christ's return.

    "... in Christ shall ALL be made alive.... every man in his own order: Christ (IS) the firstfruits (there is NO COMMA after Christ there); afterward they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. THEN COMETH THE END, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."

    And why does He turn everything over to the Father immediately after His return? Because it is HIS KINGDOM as we speak. The devil has been 'bound/restrained' from having any power over True Christians besides what they give him power over.

    "For the (power of sin) doth already work: only He who now (restrains will restrain), until He be taken out of the way."

    2 Cor. 2:7

    "For the Lord ... shall descend from Heaven ... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive...shall be caught up...to meet the Lord... SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD."

    1 Cor. 4:16-17

    No 1,000 year trial period whatsoever.
  • Aaron - in Reply
    SolaScrip,

    I don't know what to say beyond what I've already said. I gave you my best arguments. Didn't you like the Revelation 7 discovery that the 144,000 are transported in time: sealed on earth, to wearing white robes in heaven. The truth is hidden within the same chapter?

    I know context rather well, and since your point is untenable, you can't convince me that the millennium doesn't exist. The scriptures do not help your cause. I encourage you to talk this out with your local Bible buffs. Tune in on the context of events.

    5th trumpet: Tribulation begins

    6th trumpet: Great Tribulation begins

    7th trumpet: Time is up, all prophesy has been fulfilled, 1,000 years begins with saints and remaining beasts.

    *Afterlife: New heavens, new earth with God dwelling among us.

    Would you rather I said we're all going back to dust, back into the universe, infinitely perfect?

    What else can we discuss?
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Aaron said:

    "What else can we discuss?"

    I guess not much. If you're convinced scripture teaches a Millennium Doctrine from just 7 verses in one chapter of one of the 66 books, there's not much anyone can do to change your mind. It's a very popular doctrine today so you're far from alone in your opinion. And, for the record, I don't learn ANY doctrine from Bible Buffs. That's likely where you made the wrong turn. God's Word teaches me exactly what He intended to be understood.

    So, ... I guess if the Millennium is such a rock-solid doctrine, SURELY ... there is SOME specific support for a '1,000 year period of time', be it Jesus' reign or something after His return, SOMEWHERE in scripture 'outside of Revelation'. If you could produce that verse, that'd be great. It would help me, and anybody else who may be so fooled, to see the light of the truth of the matter.

    Much appreciated and God bless.
  • Aaron - in Reply
    You've never explained this. These 2 verses are 42 months apart. They are in different context, and context is not your friend.

    Mat. 24:29-30

    (vs 29) depicts the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, 2nd woe. (Jesus doesn't show in person)

    (vs 30) depicts the 7th trumpet, day of the Lord's vengeance, 3rd woe.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Those last two verses were supposed to be 2 Thes. 2:7 & 1 Thes. 4:16-17.

    Wish we could edit here.

    Apologies.



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