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  • Gary Tatterson on Revelation 4
    Is Revelation 4:1 , a type of the Rapture, or is it what John see's and what we will see immediately after the rapture ?, thanks
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Gary,

    Chapter Revelation 4:1 is the verse that's used by those who believe that the believers will be raptured prior to the Tribulation Period, because number 1, the door had been opened, and number two, a trumpet was talking to him.

    It's the same as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:13, I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, as others which have no hope. He had just said in this chapter that the trump of God would sound. It would be a great shout, and the trump of God would sound. And so here is the trumpet talking to John saying come up here.

    And those who hold the Pre-Trib. position see that as equivalent to the rapture of the church that is happening. And from now on, John will see everything from heaven, and the church will no longer be on the earth, but the multitudes will be in heaven.

    And many believe that's an indication, among other scriptures, especially 1 Thessalonians Chapter 5 where it gives us the Tribulation Period, and he says this is for the wrath of God, and we (have not) been chosen for the wrath of God.
  • Gary - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Thank You
  • Methuselah - in Reply on Revelation 4
    God bless you Gary...i think Rev 4 is happening now...the beasts are the gospels(Jesus the loin/king=mathew;Jesus as servant/sacrifice =mark;Jesus as man/fully human=luke;Jesus fully God/the eagle)saying "HOLY HOLY HOLY..."and the elders rejoice whenever it is preached...
  • Wesleys Commentary on this Website - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Wesley's Notes for Revelation 4:1

    4:1 After these things - As if he had said, After I had written these letters from the mouth of the Lord. By the particle and, the several parts of this prophecy are usually connected: by the expression, after these things, they are distinguished from each other, # Rev 7:9|; 19:1. By that expression, and after these things, they are distinguished, and yet connected, # Rev 7:1|; 15:5; 18:1. St. John always saw and heard, and then immediately wrote down one part after another: and one part is constantly divided from another by some one of these expressions. I saw - Here begins the relation of the main vision, which is connected throughout; as it appears from the throne, and him that sitteth thereon; the Lamb; (who hitherto has appeared in the form of a man;) the four living creatures; and the four and twenty elders, represented from this place to the end. From this place, it is absolutely necessary to keep in mind the genuine order of the texts, as it stands in the preceding table. A door opened in heaven - Several of these openings are successively mentioned. Here a door is opened; afterward, the temple of God in heaven, # Rev 11:19|; 15:5; and, at last, heaven itself, 19:11. By each of these St. John gains a new and more extended prospect. And the first voice which I had heard - Namely, that of Christ: afterward, he heard the voices of many others. Said, Come up hither - Not in body, but in spirit; which was immediately done.
  • S Spencer. - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Hi Gary.

    I will share my thoughts.

    The Lord gives the outline of the book in chronological order and division of this book into 3 time periods of past, present, and future in Revelation 1:19. The things he has seen, "past tense" is the Glorified risen Christ, the things which are, "present tense" the Church here and now and the better of over 2000 years. And the things after these things, "future" Gods program after Revelation ch 2 and 3. "Church here on earth"

    That brings us to Revelation 4:1. "The Lord says I will show you the things hereafter" After What? The Church things!

    ( This is the things future tense described in Revelation 1:19.) " Things shall be hereafter ".

    Note: Revelation 4:1. We have an open door! Everyone around the throne had to go through that door. Who's the door?

    In Revelation 4:2. The scene is in Heaven.

    In Revelation 1:20. The Lord tells us that the seven golden candle sticks/lampstands in Revelation 1:12-13. Is the Churches. (The Church as a whole over the ages ). In Revelation ch 4 the lamp stands is in heaven.

    "After these things" you see the 24 elders/representatives in white robes, who has been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and according to Revelation 5:9-10. They are kings and priest. Only three in scripture is called kings and priest, That's the Lord, Melchizedek, and the Church. 1 Peter 2:9.

    Hopefully that helps.

    God bless.
  • Gary Tatterson - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Thank you , I appreciate your answer
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Hi Gary,

    I don't know the answer to your question, but beware of people replying that go against scripture and don't cite any scripture themselves. God's word always dominates over man's opinion.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly talks about believers being caught up in the air.

    Luke 17:34-37

    1 Corinthians 15:52

    This event is called rapture and comes from the Bible.

    God bless
  • Glenn - in Reply on Revelation 4
    Ezekiel chapter 13 ,.. there's no rapture,.. there's no going away,.. pray , repent, an ask of God for knowledge

    Peace



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