Some confusion here. Some say that when we die the soul goes to God for judgement as the bible says once to die and then the judgement. That gives me the impression that the judgement comes after you die. If that is the case then the bible also says for the dead are dead and conscience of nothing but he will raise then up when he comes to the air but not his 2nd coming. The dead in Christ will rise first. And then the living will be called up. If the people are dead then and do not get raised until Christ appears in the sky, then how can their soul already be with God after they died. God made man from the dust of the ground and created a living soul. So if the soul goes to heaven up death, would this not man man immortal? Only God is immortal. There seems to be two possibilites here that I cannot get the right one. Are the soul and Body one or separate? Thanks.
You have a soul and a spirit, and you also have God's spirit he breathed into Adam, one place it says the spirit of man goes up and the spirit of the beast goes down plus it says there is no knowledge in the grave and death is called sleep in the OT and NT both. But if the dead in Christ rise then how can they be in heaven wouldn't they descend? With that does it matter people get comfort from Mom's in heaven watching over me, scriptural truth or fable. I always thought if we have to be judged and there is a judgement day how are we in heaven before judgement day. dose our spirit go up but our soul sleeps? Lazarus died yet Jesus brought him back to life, we see Abrham with Jesusl
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord as when the silver cord is broken. You do have a soul and spirit, but you will also be given a new body which is changed which originated from the flesh. But, now will be changed and raised up immortal as written in 1 Corinthians 15:49-53
Your soul & spirit are with Christ who is raised up already. Why do the ones martyred ask the Lord how much longer if the dead cannot speak (speaking of course their dead old flesh bodies). The old flesh body is asleep - but the soul & spirit are awake and praise God alive.
God is not the God of the dead but Is the God of the living! Paradise is not where we are not conscious or asleep.
Where is Christ now? We'll He died and took our death! Praise God we will be with Him in our last second when our flesh body passes away as our soul & spirit ascends to be with Him and forevermore. Plus we get to be with Him now because He will never leave us or forsake us and is with us!
We are "NEW" creatures.
Also, it says as He is "NOW" so are we in this world. Also, says that we are seated already with Him in heavenly places. Our flesh body is the only thing down here that needs to be raised or change similar to this age as it will also wear out like an old garment. The flesh body is the only thing left down here that needs to be translated.
He is coming soon so Praise God the dead in Christ will rise first like it was before so shall it be again similar to Matthew 27:52 except those then were not yet with Christ till after His death when He set the captives free!
May God bless and May we all look to Jesus and praise Him!
Hello, not everyone believes that interpretation. The Bible is clear that the dead will be caught up in the air. It says they will be sleeping before that. There's more Biblical support for that than the alternative. Paul's actual quote of 'rather' being with the Lord is taken out of context so often its like the telephone game. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Like lazeris an the rich man,.. as of now, there are 2 sides of heaven,. More or less holding places till all souls have had chance to be born , with a gulf in between they cannot cross, if you've been good your on the right an if you were just plain evil , your on the left . All though will be there in the millennium, an will have chance to redeem themselves,. In preparation of the great white throne judgement,.. remember every one gets a chance to be born from above threw water an into flesh, to decide weather they will worship God , or satin
Death is something we all will face; many believe our body dies and our soul lives on. Is our soul immortal? Can we take 2 Corinthians 5:8 when we die our soul leaves our body and we are present with the Lord? Some define death as a separation of the soul from the body. Does that come from scripture? I have not found that in scripture.
It comes from Greek philosophy of Plato. He wrote the body is a prison for the soul and viewed death as the means of freedom for the soul. The philosophy of death started blending in the church in the second century and those good souls go to heaven and the bad goes to hell and more. Many see the parable in Luke 16:19-31 as fitting this. If you read the chapter Jesus is talking about the unrighteous love mammon and neglect the true riches.
My understanding from scripture every part of us is mortal and when we die, we sleep in the dust, Job 14:12-14, Job 17:13-16, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 until resurrection. When this mortal puts on immortality 1 Corinthians 15:52-58, and we will be absent from this flesh body. Then those that are Christs will be judged and receive our rewards. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12 that is our hope, 1 Thessalonians 2:19
We will sleep in the dust, Daniel 12:2, 1Theselonians 4:14 and this is not from heaven, it is from around the world to meet Jesus in the air coming down to Israel the start the 1000 years at His coming. Matthew 24:31Zechariah 14:4.
I was reading this thread and was thinking of that very Scripture. It says that both body and soul can be destroyed. So perhaps the soul is not immortal but must be given immortality in the resurrection of the body. But then how do we explain Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus when He was transfigured? This instance showed these men alive with bodies. So, perhaps when one dies, even though years or centuries pass, a person no longer is bound by time and so is immediately at the resurrection of our bodies and thus begins our eternal life in eternity. Maybe that is why Paul could say to be absent in this life is to be present with the Lord. We know that Paul had so much revelations, visions, and trips to heaven that he never disclosed to us. But perhaps these are why he could say what he said.
This is a very confusing topic and I cannot say for sure what happens after death. And I do not concern myself too much about it as I know it will be what it will be. Instead, I trust God and know that all of His judgments are right and true.
Your soul & spirit are with Christ who is raised up already. Why do the ones martyred ask the Lord how much longer if the dead cannot speak (speaking of course their dead old flesh bodies). The old flesh body is asleep - but the soul & spirit are awake and praise God alive.
God is not the God of the dead but Is the God of the living! Paradise is not where we are not conscious or asleep.
Where is Christ now? We'll He died and took our death! Praise God we will be with Him in our last second when our flesh body passes away as our soul & spirit ascends to be with Him and forevermore. Plus we get to be with Him now because He will never leave us or forsake us and is with us!
We are "NEW" creatures.
Also, it says as He is "NOW" so are we in this world. Also, says that we are seated already with Him in heavenly places. Our flesh body is the only thing down here that needs to be raised or change similar to this age as it will also wear out like an old garment. The flesh body is the only thing left down here that needs to be translated.
He is coming soon so Praise God the dead in Christ will rise first like it was before so shall it be again similar to Matthew 27:52 except those then were not yet with Christ till after His death when He set the captives free!
May God bless and May we all look to Jesus and praise Him!
Death is something we all will face; many believe our body dies and our soul lives on. Is our soul immortal? Can we take 2 Corinthians 5:8 when we die our soul leaves our body and we are present with the Lord? Some define death as a separation of the soul from the body. Does that come from scripture? I have not found that in scripture.
It comes from Greek philosophy of Plato. He wrote the body is a prison for the soul and viewed death as the means of freedom for the soul. The philosophy of death started blending in the church in the second century and those good souls go to heaven and the bad goes to hell and more. Many see the parable in Luke 16:19-31 as fitting this. If you read the chapter Jesus is talking about the unrighteous love mammon and neglect the true riches.
My understanding from scripture every part of us is mortal and when we die, we sleep in the dust, Job 14:12-14, Job 17:13-16, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 until resurrection. When this mortal puts on immortality 1 Corinthians 15:52-58, and we will be absent from this flesh body. Then those that are Christs will be judged and receive our rewards. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12 that is our hope, 1 Thessalonians 2:19
We will sleep in the dust, Daniel 12:2, 1Theselonians 4:14 and this is not from heaven, it is from around the world to meet Jesus in the air coming down to Israel the start the 1000 years at His coming. Matthew 24:31 Zechariah 14:4.
This is my understanding of scripture.
God bless,
RLW
Body, and soul, are separate.
Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Read and Believe!
I was reading this thread and was thinking of that very Scripture. It says that both body and soul can be destroyed. So perhaps the soul is not immortal but must be given immortality in the resurrection of the body. But then how do we explain Moses and Elijah appearing with Jesus when He was transfigured? This instance showed these men alive with bodies. So, perhaps when one dies, even though years or centuries pass, a person no longer is bound by time and so is immediately at the resurrection of our bodies and thus begins our eternal life in eternity. Maybe that is why Paul could say to be absent in this life is to be present with the Lord. We know that Paul had so much revelations, visions, and trips to heaven that he never disclosed to us. But perhaps these are why he could say what he said.
This is a very confusing topic and I cannot say for sure what happens after death. And I do not concern myself too much about it as I know it will be what it will be. Instead, I trust God and know that all of His judgments are right and true.
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