Bible Discussion Thread

  • S Spencer
    One important aspect of Jesus humanity that I believe get lost in the shuffle is he is our Kinsman redeemer. He couldn't be that without his humanity.

    Galatians 4:4-5. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Revelation 5:2-9.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Kinsman redeemer by the humanity of Jesus Christ.

    We see the kinsman redeemer in Leviticus 25:25. and we see it carried out in the book of Ruth chapters 1-4.

    we see in Revelation 5:1-5. we see a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. and no one was able to open the book but the Lord Jesus. If you notice verse 3 it had to be a "MAN"/Human. And he had to be able. Perfect/Sinless. and he has to be willing. This could only happen by the deity of Christ in his Human form.

    (His deity, He cannot sin.) (His humanity, He can take on our sin.) His humanity makes him our kinsman redeemer.


    Galatians 4:4-5.

    Hebrews 2:9-11.

    Luke 4:18:19. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. "Restitution of all things"

    Acts 3:21. (I believe this is yet to come)

    I believe the jubilee foreshadowed this.

    study Leviticus 25:8-25.

    What are we presently redeemed from? Galatians 3:13. The law condemned us and faith in Christ justified us.

    Galatians 3:5-13.

    However, our bodies have not been redeemed yet, If so there will be no more death.

    Also, Romans 8:19-23.

  • S Spencer - in Reply

    Part 2 of 6.


    Adam's decision is our decision whether we like it or not. That was God's way in order that He might justify you and me by faith, if you please. That is the basis of sanctification because now He is enabled to take us out of the old Adam and put us in the new Adam. That new

    Adam is the Lord Jesus Christ. We are put in Him by faith, and that is the method by which God is able to sanctify us today.

    Positional Sanctification

    Then Paul talks about positional sanctification. This is one of the most debated and controversial passages in the Scripture:

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?( Romans 6:1)

    And here's God's answer: "God forbid" or, "Let it not be." If you think that because you are saved by grace you can live in sin, you are not saved, my friend. It is very obvious here that Paul is making that clear - "Let it not be." If you have been saved by the grace of God, you will not go on living in sin. You have been given a new nature. He tells us three things that must be ours if we are to be sanctified.

    1. First of all, we are to know something:

    Know ye not that, as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?( Romans 6:3)

    A literal translation would be: Are you ignorant that so many of us who were identified into union with Jesus Christ were identified in His death?

    2. Then we are to identify with something:

    Therefore, we are buried with him by baptism into death....( Romans 6:4)

    This verse has nothing in the world to do with water; rather, it has to do with identification. The word "baptize" means identification with something. We are identified with Christ. When Christ died over 1900 years ago, I died; and you died if you are in Christ today. When He was raised from the dead, you and I were raised from the dead so that now we are in a new Head of the human race. That new Head of the human race is the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • S Spencer - in Reply

    Part 4 of 6.

    When you are saved, you are given a new nature, and that new nature enables you to be obedient to God. The thing that Paul is saying here is that you and I are to obey God. Obedience is now the mark of this child of God. Lawlessness on the part of those today who claim to be Christians reveals whose they are. Lawlessness is not a mark of a believer at all. If you are a believer, you are not lawless; you are obedient to Him. The reason that my favorite hymn is "Trust and Obey" is because these two go together:

    When we walk with the Lord

    In the light of His Word,

    What a glory He sheds on our way.

    While we do His good will,

    He abides with us still,

    And with all who will trust and obey.

    Trust and obey

    For there's no other way

    To be happy in Jesus,

    But to trust and obey.

    You see, if you trust Him for your salvation, you will be given a new nature so that you can be obedient to Him. That old nature you have is a spiritual Bolshevik; it is in rebellion against God. But you have a new nature if you are God's child and you will want to be obedient to Him.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Kinsman redeemer. Part 2.

    We see in several verses Jews and Gentiles alike is redeemed by the blood of Christ, We are reconciled in one body. "Baptism"

    Ephesians 2:11-22.


    Romans 5:8-11.

    2 Corinthians 5:17-19. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT INPUTTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


    Romans 3:21-22.

    2 Corinthians 5:21.

    The way God provides this righteousness is not by man's working for it, not by man's paying for it, not by man's getting it on the installment plan with the idea that he will pay later, but that God gives it to him. Man can receive it only by faith.

    God bless.
  • S. Spencer - in Reply
    Sanctification of the Saint

    By J vernon mcgee.

    Part 1 of 6

    Now Paul moves out of this area into another area: sanctification. Being justified by faith, we have now come to the place where God sanctifies us. After all, justification does not change our hearts; we're still the same kind of persons. Therefore, God wants to move into our lives and sanctify us, make us better people than we are. And His method, of course, is through the Holy Spirit. Paul presents this in a very wonderful way.

    Potential Sanctification

    First of all Paul shows us potential sanctification:

    Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for all have sinned.( Romans 5:12)

    Now when he says, "All have sinned," he's not talking about our acts of sin. Rather he's referring to the sin that Adam committed when he disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden which, he says, is your sin and my sin. Immediately someone will resent that. He will say, "Why should I be charged with Adam's sin? I don't want Adam being the one to choose for me. I want to make the choice." Well, my friend, whether you like it or not, it just so happens that the choice of your ancestors turns out to be your choice as well.

    I had a grandfather who lived in Northern Ireland. He was a Scotsman and, believe me, he knew what persecution was. He left Northern Ireland and came to Georgia; he didn't like Georgia either - grandfather was a hard fellow to please - so he went on over to Mississippi to live and finally ended up in Texas, for that's where he's buried. May I say to you, years ago when he decided to come to the United States, I came to the United States. That's when I came. His decision was my decision. Whether I like it or not (and I like it) he came to this country. I'm glad he didn't stay in Northern Ireland, because if he had I'd be over there today. I'm glad that he came to this country; his decision was my decision.
  • S Spencer - in Reply

    part 3 of 6.

    Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.( Romans 6:6)

    "Knowing this" - these are things we know. When Paul says your "old man" is crucified with Him, he doesn't mean your father; he means your old nature is crucified with Him. "That the body of sin might be destroyed." (The word "destroyed" is the Greekkatargeo, meaning to make of none effect, to be paralyzed or canceled or nullified.) "That henceforth we should not serve sin." Paul is not saying that the old nature is eradicated. He is saying that since the old man was crucified, the body of sin has been put out of business so that from now on we should not be in bondage to sin.

    Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.( Romans 6:8)

    Let me repeat that when He died over 1900 years ago, we died with Him.

    3. Now we are to reckon on something. He says here,

    Likewise, reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ, our Lord.( Romans 6:11)

    You are to reckon (count) on this fact. If you came to me today and told me that you deposited $1,000 for me in the local bank and you handed me a checkbook, may I say to you, I could carry that checkbook around till my dying day and not use it if I did not reckon on it or count on it. But when you told me that, I would count on its being on deposit. I'd say, "I have $1,000 in that bank over there," and I would write out a check. May I say to you, that's what it means to reckon on it.

    Now count on the fact that God has put you in Christ and that you are now in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are no longer to live in the old nature, but we are to live in Christ - just as a bird lives in the air and a fish lives in the water.

    Practical Sanctification

    Now may I say that this is not only positional sanctification; it is practical sanctification.

    Romans 6:13.

    Continue see part 4.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Part 5 of 6.

    Powerless Sanctification

    Now Paul shows inRomans 7that you and I cannot be obedient in our own strength. It is powerless sanctification. There are two great truths that come out of this. The first one is:

    For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing....( Romans 7:18)

    You and I have nothing good in our flesh. The old nature can never do anything that is pleasing to God. The fact of the matter is, Paul says,

    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither, indeed, can be.( Romans 8:7)

    You and I have an old nature - even if you are redeemed you have that old nature - and it will be with you until your dying day. That old nature is in rebellion against God. For instance, sometimes you don't want to hear the teaching of the Word of God, you just have to somehow bring yourself to it. It is amazing what that old nature can think of to rebel against God. It hates the Word of God; it doesn't love to pray. That old nature is in rebellion against Almighty God. Did you ever have those feelings?

    But if you are a believer, you have a new nature, and Paul says this concerning it:

    ...For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.( Romans 7:18)

    Paul found out that there was no good in his old nature and that there was no power in his new nature.
  • Gigi - in Reply
    Good Evening S. Spencer

    Good point about the kinsman redeemer.

    Jesus is my Prophet, Priest, and King.

    But we could list so many more Titles for Him and studying what these titles mean can deepen our knowledge of Him.

    So perhaps it would be a good idea to take this thread to name Titles and give Scripture verses that speak these Titles.

    I'll have to begin that and get back to you.

    It's fine if you want to take the thread another way.

    Good to hear from you. Good night.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi GiGi.

    Goodmorning, Yes that would be a great Idea. I was just adding an insert on a topic that was already established in another thread. I was using my phone to send more on the topic but I fell asleep and the phone died and I lost everything.

    I will visit you guys this afternoon.

    God bless you.

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