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  • Dgjot on 2 Peter 1
    Did Peter, in his letters, ever confess that he denied Jesus 3x??

    Even though I know the things he writes about are real and true, it does seem hypocritical.

    To me it looks like he's imitating Pauls style of writings.
  • Free - in Reply
    Dear ones. That's right we Must Forgive .

    They had the same Spirit!

    That is the essence of Jesus' preaching! We are one With Him. In Body and Soul.

    One example.

    Philippians 2. 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

    The times Peter denied the Lord were during the Lord's crucifixion or the hours before. And like most of Jesus saved people. We confess our sins to one another and move on, (do not dwell on old sins to put it that way). We can know in the Heart whether we mean what we confess or not.

    Forgiveness is what people who hear must do. And not at least, we must forgive ourselves! What do we pray for in the Lord's Prayer?

    For like Peter, we believers have also received the keys of the kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, we must have the same Spirit, love one another deeply. And do what's best for our neighbor. And forgive. When we live in that grace, and know that we do good. Then we know that we have the Doctrine from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Philippians 1 27Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

    Be blessed in the Holy Name above all other Names Jesus Christ the Son of God, Amen.
  • Gigi - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Dear Dgjot

    I believe that all of the apostles were saved and forgiven, Paul and Peter included. And I believe that all of the apostles were commissioned by Jesus to bring the gospel message to the world. Therefore, I believe that Jesus prepared and the Spirit empowered all if the apostles to rightly discharge their calling. So, no, Peter was not copying Paul. He was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit just as Paul did.

    Because of this, their writings may have similar themes or tones because they wrote what God wanted written.

    We need to forgive Peter just as we forgive Paul. They were sinners like you, me, and all humanity.

    We should hold these apostles with respect for the position God placed them in at a most crucial time in redemptive history. Both Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome. All of the other apostles were martyred, except for John(he died of old age). Many Christians were martyred in those early centuries. They were convinced of their faith in Christ, loved the Lord, and lived knowing that they maybe persecuted or martyred at anytime. We don't live under those conditions today in America. So, we should be humble when we speak

    Of these apostles and disciples of early Christianity.
  • Bro dan - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Sister GiGi,

    Amen. You are correct, Peter was human like all of us, and Jesus must have seen alot in Peter, as Jesus built his Church on Apostle Peter, (The Rock) and gives him "the keys to the kindom of Heaven" this scripture says it all!

    Matthew 16:15-19

    15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    God Bless.
  • Dgjot - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Galatians 2:11 (Paul speaking)

    But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

    Galatians 2:14 (Paul speaking)

    But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

    God chose Peter to preach the gospel to the Jews. God chose Paul to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

    Peter had an advantage Paul did not, in that he walked with Jesus every day, heard His words and witnessed His miracles. And yet he still didn't understand that Jesus is God in the flesh and denied Jesus 3x and even went so far to preach to the unsaved that circumcision (old testament law) is a must to be saved. Paul called him out.

    Saul, an accomplice to the murder of the believers of Christ, was knocked off his horse on the Damascus Road when Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him. When Jesus told him what he must do, did he argue? Nope. He simply did what he was told to do, without whining. Paul was a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin and also a Roman citizen so he knew both the Torah and Roman law and spoke several languages.

    Peter was a simple fisherman and faithless- even after all he saw and heard from Jesus. Is this really the kind of guy you want to listen to? Catholics claim that Peter was the first Pope. What nonsense.

    Of course both were forgiven. Al repentant sinners are forgiven. But if I have to choose between the writings of Peter or Paul, I'll go with Paul. Paul wrote most of what became the New Testament.

    I know we're not supposed to pass judgement on anyone. Even Angels know better than to bring a railing accusation against even the wicked. Just be careful of who or what you listen to.
  • Alex N - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Dgjot i hear ya,,,,good post...God bless ya....Peter was indeed a great man of God,...But he made some mistakes....like we all do at times.
  • Dgjot - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    @ Alex N: Thank You. It seems like the more I read the Scriptures the deeper they get. Nothing is as it seems.
  • Gigi - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Dgjot,

    Jesus close Peter as well as Paul (and all of the apostles) to share the gospel with the world. Jesus is more than able to equip those He calls with faith and knowledge to accomplish what He determined for them to do.

    Peter was not faithless as you said. He erred and Paul pointed it out to him. Peter repented. Paul sinned as well. He was not perfect.

    If you read in 1 Corinthians 1 you will find that Paul speaks against following himself, Apollos, Cephas (Peter) as the Corinthian Christians were puffed up by declaring whom baptized them and whom they follow. Paul rebuked these believers and spoke against following anyone but Jesus.

    Paul was a great man and gave his life to spreading the gospel eventually being matured in Rome. The same is true of Peter. I think we should hold these men ( and all of the apostles) in honor and not defame them, as you have done to Peter.
  • Dgjot - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Defame? He defamed himself. Of course Jesus loves him and forgave him but just maybe, he was chosen to be an example of the things we are NOT supposed to do. Peter only wrote 2 books. Paul wrote most of them.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Dgjot,

    I have read your posts and if I may point out a few things you may look at about Peter. I agree by using Matthew 16:18 making Peter what the Catholic Church is built on is misplaced because Jesus is the corner stone which the foundation is laid and if we look in Revelation 21:14 there twelve.

    You may think of Peter being cowardly for denying Jesus but remember he was the one who cut off the ear of that guy when they came to arrest Jesus, and Peter was the only one who followed them to where they took Jesus. Did Peter repent, it is not written the words he said but it does tell us he went out, and wept bitterly, Matthew 26:75. Also Jesus made him say he loved Him three times, John 21:15-17.

    There is one thing to keep in mind, even though Jesus told them several times, Jesus being arrested, crucified, buried, and resurrected was hidden from them. Luke 18:32-34. Then Jesus told them when He met and ate with them and opened their eyes where they would understand, Luke 24:44-47. In Matthew 16:22 Peter thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom there was no way he was going to be killed and the purpose of His death was hidden from them and Satan.

    All during the time they were with Jesus they thought He was going to set up the kingdom then. They even asked Him before He ascended, Acts 1:6 and I am sure Peter and the others were confused thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom but here He is arrested and possibly going to be killed.

    The reason you see a difference in Paul, Peter and the other 11 were told to only go to the lost sheep of Israel, Jerusalem first, to the Jews first, this is why the early battles about the Gentiles not having to be circumcised and obey the law. Acts 15, Peter had his dream in Acts 11. It was a learning curve for them that it took some time, but it is part of fulfilling prophecy.

    If you considered this already, please disregard just thought it would help.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Dgjot - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    @Ronald Whittemore and Alex N - Thank You. I will meditate on what you said.

    @Gigi- Idol worship (like the way Catholics worship Mary and made Peter out to be the first Pope) to me is a worse sin than calling out someone for erring. And, aren't you passing judgement on me for pointing out Peter's mistakes?
  • Alex N - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Dgjot....You are right on even Jesus himself had to rebuke Peter for telling him he did not need to go to Jerusalem and die for the sins of the world..And our Lord rebuked Peter telling him he did not understand the things of God but the things of man.....Jesus rebuked Peter calling Satan....But we all like Peter need to be rebuked sometimes....just saying. you are just telling it as it is The truth...GBU.... Mat. 16 : 23
  • Gigi again - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Dakota

    I believe you are sinning by speaking falsely against Peter.
  • Gigi - in Reply on 2 Peter 1
    Oops meant Dgjot

    Not Dakota

    Phone keeps thinking for me


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