How come many people get married more than once knowing that they are Committing adultery according to Matthew 19,9 New testament a lot of pastors Are teaching wrong teachings because when they as Jesus why did Moses allow them to get a divorce Moses said because of the hardness of their hearts Which is the fairest he's as Jesus and Jesus reply from the beginning it was not self Moses has no greater power then the son of god Also in the biblical times they will be trolled to 1 another It was an arranged engagement so they were not married so if he or she committed any act of kissing or Any act sexually while the engagement Was steel together they were write them a certificate of divorce now we have a bunch of adulterous running around telling people they can merry whoever they want after divorce that is a lie before god Let's make this clear when you took a vow and a covenant with god you said for better for worse or richer or poor And sickness and in health until death do ye part Then you said So what god is put together let no man put asunder So that means not to separate and if you do separate you all supposed to reckon wait for a while and rick and style with your spouse the bible maze it clear he or she that divorces their spouse husband or wife and marries another committed adultery Why I pastors lying to people About getting married again to someone else while you're supposed still live because the covenant still stands it to they'd I this is a fallacy in the house of god you can't get a divorce because of fornication because you can only fornicate when you're not married it is adultery when you are married so you can't get a divorce over fornication you can't fornicate if you marry
Indeed Kenneth, what you write is very true: on the biblical teaching about divorce & those pastors who support re-marriage after divorce. Personally, I've not come across such pastoral teaching, but I'm sure with the many variations & colours of Christianity around the world, that wouldn't surprise me. When man, especially in such a position of teaching & shepherding Christ's Church, incorrectly teaches from God's Word, he will have to give the greater account of his life & ministry before God in that coming day ( Hebrews 13:17) - and Hebrews 13:4 reminding them & us that, "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."
Maybe these servants of God have been compelled to water down or even overlook this matter about divorce & re-marriage because of the prevalence of it in their own congregations. I would think that that should be grounds for a greater impetus to preach against it & to put out any that are known to engage in such sinful activity. Sadly, the world is well & truly in the Church as the love & approval received from the people & job security becomes more important.
Sadly, Chris, pastors are teaching that it is fine to remarry even though to do so commits adultery, but, if you confess that it is adultery and you are forgiven, then you can go on living with the second spouse without a problem. I have heard this said by a number of pastors. Also, I have known those who remarry anyone who asks them. Also, they will put divorced and remarried persons in positions of leadership in the church, such as deacon, elder, teacher, or pastor.
I have always believed what Jesus said about this. I have always believed that a person who remarries commits adultery as long as they remain married to this second spouse. I think I am among the few that still believe this.
But our churches are full of divorced and remarried couples and their children. What are we to do about this? I do not know. Granted, some were unbelievers when they divorced their first spouse and have remarried a believer. I do not see this as an exception Jesus spoke about. Some were abandoned by their spouse, who left them for another lover. These are free to remarry, by Jesus' standards.
For me, it is a dilemma on how to fellowship with Christians who are in such relationships. Many are devoted believers and pleasant to be around. I know that God forgives people who confess their sin, but is there repentance if one continues in the relationship one is confessing and seeking forgiveness for?
We are in this situation because the church relented on the biblical position to avoid offending people or turning people away from fellowship or losing members. It is tough and I certainly do not know the reasons for each couple's prior
divorce.
It is so unfortunate that we do not have strong godly ministries for divorced persons that teach them that they are to remain single and serve God in that capacity to adhere to the teaching of Jesus. When they get remarried and then blend families and have more children, then it makes it difficult to end this additional marriage. ???
I agree GiGi, these matters are very difficult to properly judge & sort out. I'm glad that all this is in the Lord's Hands, He Who will judge righteously, Who sees the whole situation & the hearts involved. Nevertheless, I do get quite sad when a marriage breaks down with no solution in sight & that spouses are consigned to singleness for their remaining days. It would be like losing a loved one to death, & then carrying that pain for a long time. Like many other issues in the Christian walk, each person must do according to the Word, trusting God for the strength to bear up & stay true to Him. There is always some discipline & suffering when we knowingly entertain sin, & though God may be all-forgiving, we still have to face the ramifications of whatever sin we commit, especially that which damages or destroys other lives. To live with that might sometimes be harder than falling under God's Hand.
If the ministry from the Word is strong & consistent, whatever sins that might be hidden from the Pastor, will be manifest to the disobedient from the Word - they might even leave that Fellowship of their own accord & seek one that speaks sympathetically to them, welcoming them in. I believe that when we put the Lord & His Word first in our lives & in the life of the Church, Jesus will deal with us for the singular purpose of, "sanctifying and cleansing it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." ( Ephesians 5:26,27). And this deep Love of Christ for us illustrates the love that husbands & wives ought to have for each other (vv 24,25) - bathed with understanding, forgiveness, & humility, esteeming each other.
One thing, I know that thinking that divorced people are to remain single is sad to think about in some ways, but it is also sad to think about single people who have never married and really want to be married. I have a brother wo is my age who as never married. He probably once wanted to find someone to love all his life, but didn't find that one person. I have another brother who is divorced and has been single for over 20 years now. Being single in either situation is not a bad thing. God can use people in this situation and fulfill them as well. It is not any more burdensome for divorced people to remain single as it is for someone who never married as far as singleness goes. (If children were born of the marriage, that is its own heartache). God is able to be with single adults in wonderful ways just as with married adults.
Being single allowed Paul to fulfill his call to bring the to so many different parts of the known world at that time. If he was married, he would be divided between his obligation to his family and is obligation to is calling.
Amen Sister. As the apostle said of the Lord, "My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness." Sufficient Grace for every need, even a life of singleness; finding even greater delight in the Lord's closeness, comfort & counsel.
Each of us walk as Christ calls us to walk. We are individuals, and God is able to work individually in the billions of people in existence on earth today.
2Corinthians:4:6-7
"For it is God who commanded light to shine out of darkness,, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us."
May we let His light shine out of each of us so those in darkness can see the desirableness of Christ in us.
This has for sure been an interesting thread on marriage and divorce. I do agree with you that Paul being single allowed him to completely focus on what the Lord would have him to do without distraction. He mentions that all would be like him, single ( 1 Corinthians 7:7). But I believe that Paul was at one time married before his conversion and then divorced at the time he wrote 1 Corinthians. There is evidence that causes me to believe he was married at one time. Have you ever heard this before?
Brother Jesse. I have heard of this too: that Paul was a married man before his conversion & call. Not from historical records, but appealing to the nature of the position of the Pharisee. Paul spoke of himself as once being "a Hebrew of the Hebrews" ( Philippians 3:5) & 'extremely zealous of his ancestral traditions' ( Galatians 1:14; Acts 22:3). Marriage was the norm for Pharisees & it was also required to hold a rabbinical position. The thought is: "Paul could hardly have set himself forth as an exemplar of Pharisaical piety had he not been married."
So, indeed, Paul did "count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" ( Philippians 3:8). Obviously, he was referring to the wealth of knowledge & interpretation of the Scriptures that had to be cast aside so that Christ might be fully apprehended, but I wonder whether he included, in his 'new' single state, that this had to be his lot for the furtherance of this newly acquired powerful Gospel that he had received & which filled him?
I've read that Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin when persecution broke out against the early church, and one of the requirements for being in the Sanhedrin is that the person be married. GiGi, I also believe that either Paul's wife had either passed away or she divorced him because of his conversion. Whatever the case may be, we don't know. But he says I'm single, and I wished, not commanding, but I wished that everybody was as I myself.
Brothers Chris and David, you make some excellent points. Paul spoke about how a married man or married woman might be distracted because their focus would be on how they might please one another instead of on Christ. It seems as though this would be a natural thing for one who's married. So Paul may have experienced this both ways, being married, and then later on being single.
Paul says in Acts 26:10 "Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison." He goes on to say that many of the saints that believed in Jesus of Nazareth, I shut them up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests;
And then it's interesting where he says that when they were put to death, "I gave my voice against them." This means that Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin. He voted for the death penalty against Christians. Only the Sanhedrin could cast a vote for the death penalty.
We know back in Acts Chapter 7, especially with Stephen, that Paul was there to oversee it. And what the witnesses would do, the witnesses had to do the stoning, but they would take their overcoats off and lay them at the feet of the man that is in charge of overseeing the execution, and so they laid them at the feet of a man named Saul.
And here he's telling them "I was active in shutting them up in prison having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I was voting, I gave my voice against them.
Maybe these servants of God have been compelled to water down or even overlook this matter about divorce & re-marriage because of the prevalence of it in their own congregations. I would think that that should be grounds for a greater impetus to preach against it & to put out any that are known to engage in such sinful activity. Sadly, the world is well & truly in the Church as the love & approval received from the people & job security becomes more important.
I have always believed what Jesus said about this. I have always believed that a person who remarries commits adultery as long as they remain married to this second spouse. I think I am among the few that still believe this.
But our churches are full of divorced and remarried couples and their children. What are we to do about this? I do not know. Granted, some were unbelievers when they divorced their first spouse and have remarried a believer. I do not see this as an exception Jesus spoke about. Some were abandoned by their spouse, who left them for another lover. These are free to remarry, by Jesus' standards.
For me, it is a dilemma on how to fellowship with Christians who are in such relationships. Many are devoted believers and pleasant to be around. I know that God forgives people who confess their sin, but is there repentance if one continues in the relationship one is confessing and seeking forgiveness for?
We are in this situation because the church relented on the biblical position to avoid offending people or turning people away from fellowship or losing members. It is tough and I certainly do not know the reasons for each couple's prior
divorce.
It is so unfortunate that we do not have strong godly ministries for divorced persons that teach them that they are to remain single and serve God in that capacity to adhere to the teaching of Jesus. When they get remarried and then blend families and have more children, then it makes it difficult to end this additional marriage. ???
If the ministry from the Word is strong & consistent, whatever sins that might be hidden from the Pastor, will be manifest to the disobedient from the Word - they might even leave that Fellowship of their own accord & seek one that speaks sympathetically to them, welcoming them in. I believe that when we put the Lord & His Word first in our lives & in the life of the Church, Jesus will deal with us for the singular purpose of, "sanctifying and cleansing it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." ( Ephesians 5:26,27). And this deep Love of Christ for us illustrates the love that husbands & wives ought to have for each other (vv 24,25) - bathed with understanding, forgiveness, & humility, esteeming each other.
One thing, I know that thinking that divorced people are to remain single is sad to think about in some ways, but it is also sad to think about single people who have never married and really want to be married. I have a brother wo is my age who as never married. He probably once wanted to find someone to love all his life, but didn't find that one person. I have another brother who is divorced and has been single for over 20 years now. Being single in either situation is not a bad thing. God can use people in this situation and fulfill them as well. It is not any more burdensome for divorced people to remain single as it is for someone who never married as far as singleness goes. (If children were born of the marriage, that is its own heartache). God is able to be with single adults in wonderful ways just as with married adults.
Being single allowed Paul to fulfill his call to bring the to so many different parts of the known world at that time. If he was married, he would be divided between his obligation to his family and is obligation to is calling.
Each of us walk as Christ calls us to walk. We are individuals, and God is able to work individually in the billions of people in existence on earth today.
2Corinthians:4:6-7
"For it is God who commanded light to shine out of darkness,, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us."
May we let His light shine out of each of us so those in darkness can see the desirableness of Christ in us.
This has for sure been an interesting thread on marriage and divorce. I do agree with you that Paul being single allowed him to completely focus on what the Lord would have him to do without distraction. He mentions that all would be like him, single ( 1 Corinthians 7:7). But I believe that Paul was at one time married before his conversion and then divorced at the time he wrote 1 Corinthians. There is evidence that causes me to believe he was married at one time. Have you ever heard this before?
a child. Got to look onto that one again, by the way Hi.
So, indeed, Paul did "count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ" ( Philippians 3:8). Obviously, he was referring to the wealth of knowledge & interpretation of the Scriptures that had to be cast aside so that Christ might be fully apprehended, but I wonder whether he included, in his 'new' single state, that this had to be his lot for the furtherance of this newly acquired powerful Gospel that he had received & which filled him?
I've read that Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin when persecution broke out against the early church, and one of the requirements for being in the Sanhedrin is that the person be married. GiGi, I also believe that either Paul's wife had either passed away or she divorced him because of his conversion. Whatever the case may be, we don't know. But he says I'm single, and I wished, not commanding, but I wished that everybody was as I myself.
Brothers Chris and David, you make some excellent points. Paul spoke about how a married man or married woman might be distracted because their focus would be on how they might please one another instead of on Christ. It seems as though this would be a natural thing for one who's married. So Paul may have experienced this both ways, being married, and then later on being single.
Paul says in Acts 26:10 "Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison." He goes on to say that many of the saints that believed in Jesus of Nazareth, I shut them up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests;
And then it's interesting where he says that when they were put to death, "I gave my voice against them." This means that Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin. He voted for the death penalty against Christians. Only the Sanhedrin could cast a vote for the death penalty.
We know back in Acts Chapter 7, especially with Stephen, that Paul was there to oversee it. And what the witnesses would do, the witnesses had to do the stoning, but they would take their overcoats off and lay them at the feet of the man that is in charge of overseeing the execution, and so they laid them at the feet of a man named Saul.
And here he's telling them "I was active in shutting them up in prison having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I was voting, I gave my voice against them.
best and that is why Jesus Christ hand picked Him so to speak because He knew his heart was right just
he just needed a Holy Adjustment figuratively speaking.
That is interesting information.
the gospel, I.E. giving His credentials according to the flesh under the law Philippians 3:1-15 and in Galatians
all of Chapter one because of how many believers were walking away from what he taught.
"He (Paul) mentions that (He wished) all would be like him, single!"
I'm losing my marbles!
Now here's the reason I don't believe in Divorce.
I believe a Marriage should model Christ relationship to the Church.
Inseparable.
God bless.
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