Bible Discussion Thread

People are celebrating the Sabbath on a Sunday,because they don't know any better. I'm not sure why Pastors, Preachers, Reverends preach on Sunday.They of all people should know better. No where in the Bible, does it say"Sunday is the Sabbath. Catholic priests will tell you that they are the reason, Saturday just wasn't convenient for them. They changed it. Apparently, present teachers today feel the same way, the real Sabbath just isn't convenient. God's word says,"the real Sabbath is a sign between Him and us,and. When He comes,He will know who kept it. I'm not understanding the Pastors. Do they not read the History? I'm amazed at the ones who celebrate the pagan holidays, but not the real celebrations we should be holding. Thank you.

I wanted to find the verse, where Jesus was telling the disciples that the widow's

mite was all she had and the others gave from the overflow.

Luke 21:1-3

God bless Carol Mark 12: 40-44 The point was sha gave what she had from the Heart in private as,

in contrast to putting on a self righteous show or look at what I'm giving. Totally different heart!

Interesting conversation here concerning keeping the Sabbath. I think it is important to have a time to rest from work. In our society today, we do have time to do this more than any other time in history. When people had to work all of the time, morning to night, to provide for their families, they did not have much "free" time. We have oodles of it, hence we have so many "leisure" activities (sports, hobbies, clubs, etc.) to engage in today. I do not read in the Genesis account exactly what we are to do on a Sabbath day except to rest from work.

Hebrews speak of a rest that is in God. Perhaps that is what God is speaking about when He commanded the keeping of the Sabbath as "holy" (set apart for God). I think that living as one set apart by God through conversion is keeping the rest of God.

Hi Corine I believe the idea from the time of Adam and Eve was to worship or love God twenty four seven

the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath also everyday for believers is the Lords Day. The

original sabbath was saturday which is als other day Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

Hi Corine That's what happens when the traditions of men turns into false doctrine that's taught as true.

I know some one with the initials J.C. who dealt with it all the time and condemned it.

Bro Rick,

You are incorrect. Jesus didn't condemn the Sabbath. He condemned the Pharisees for the overly strict interpretation of the Laws, including the Sabbath. Let's get it right! Jesus and the apostles always kept the Sabbath Day as did the church in the 1st century.

Jesus or JC as you call him, observed the Sabbath, and he showed us by example that we could help others on the Sabbath. So, Jesus always leads by example.

Jesus said: Luke 6:5

"And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Why would Jesus want to be Lord of something that is bad?

You seem to insinuate that the Sabbath is a bad thing. It is a gift that God gave to man. He created us, and he knows that we need rest from working. God also tells us specifically 'To Remember to keep holy the Sabbath".

It's called being obedient to God, something mankind does not like to do.

God Bless

Bro Dan By the way if I didn't quite communicate correctly that's the first mistake I made today, and

if you believe that they put screen doors in submarines. LOL

Hi Bro Dan He condemned the way the religious leaders at the time used the sabbath to there advantage

making the commandments of God of no effect by there traditions which was false doctrine that overtime they

made their traditions. Mathew 15:1-9. These same guys broke there law and had a trial at night behind

closed doors against Jesus Christ and the same evil hypocrites made sure our passover was down from the

cross so they could be CLEAN to celebrate the passover. So blind they didn't know they sacrificed the

passover of eternity our Lord and Saviour.

They constantly went against love joy peace meekness mercy instead do it our way or else

that's the epitome of man made religion. It's better known as Self Righteousness. They hated Jesus Christ

because he hit them right where they lived!

Hi Bro Dan I will rephrase he condemned the what the religious leaders were using Gods commandment to

to accomplish self righteousness don't do any work on the sabbath which means don't heal anybody

That's what I'm talking about, in our day and time some people say the sabbath is saturday some say sunday

the idea is our rest is in the believing of what was accomplished by Jesus Christ spiritually which fulfills the

law. The law was our schoolmaster until Christ Galatians 3:21-29 if someone declares that if I by occupation

or choose to go to a fellowship in a house and not a building with a steeple and cross does that make me

a sinner? My bible says the church are the people eklesia which is a gathering of people who come together

for one common purpose ours is to worship and love God. We who walk by the spirit fulfill the law.

Hi Bro Rick,

Thanks for all of your feedback, and you make some good valid points.

I understand and agree that we should walk in Christ 24/7. But, I also believe we should take God's commandments to heart. If we actually have the Spirit we really should be. It is helpful, to also keep God's commandments front and center in our minds and in our hearts, so that as we walk with the Spirit we can confirm that we are really following what we think we are, and have not fooled ourselves, or slipped away.

All of God's commandments are good, and so talking about them and stressing them, focusing on them is helpful. To just throw them aside and say "Hey I'm walking in the Spirit, and everything I'm doing is just great, and God approves of me" can become problematic.

Lastly, I truly believe that God commandments/Law keeps us grounded and focused on the prize!

God Bless

Bro Dan You cannot walk by the spirit and throw the commandments aside because the walk by the spirit

includes the greatest commandment. Walk in Love The rest your speaking of is stated in Hebrews 4 whole chapter, our rest

is in the completed work of Jesus Christ and following that work in our walk. The example used is the children

of Israel in the wilderness who copped out everyday i.e. quit believing or were dishonest in their hearts. Daily

is the choice believe the Word or the World. Paul said to imitate Him as he imitates Christ, It Is Written!

Dear rick and Bro Dan.

I agree that Jesus honored the Sabbath commandment in a perfect way, not like the religious leaders did. These leaders were more concerned about outwards actions to be strictly done by rote observance but not from the heart. It is like giving God "lip service" when we pray.

I also agree, that the Sabbath is good. But how do we know exactly what day is the true Sabbath established that day in Genesis in the year (what)? We really do not know this because we do not know the exact date of the first Sabbath. It could have been our Wednesday in our calendar or any other day. But , traditionally, it has been Saturday according to the calendar that was put into effect many centuries ago after Jesus lived on earth. How do we know that our calendar is correct? We do not. But in our time, Saturday is the 7th day. For many, this can be a Sabbath Day for them. Since the Scripture does not say we have to attend worship services on the Sabbath, (or any day), services on Sunday or Wednesday or any other day do not violate the Sabbath commandment. Those who wish to keep Saturday as a Sabbath and attend services on Sunday are being obedient to Scripture. Those who view Sunday as a Sabbath day and attend services are being obedient to the Scripture, and those who treat every day as a Sabbath are being obedient to Scripture. Each person is to prayerfully follow the lead of the Holy Spirit on this. It is one of those areas where, I believe, there can be differences.

As others have stated, living for God 24/7 as much as we are able to do is our attempts to keep the Sabbath holy, as has been pointed out by some. But we will never keep the Sabbath perfectly in this life as Jesus did. He always did the will of the Father. That is why we rest in the finished work of Jesus.

Hi Sister GiGi,

You make some very valid points and I basically agree with the flexible aspects that you presented. God will look at our hearts, and will weigh our sincerity directed at His 4th commandment.

I think the main thing that we need to remember is the Sabbath Day is for mankind to rest. Many people today don't know how to rest. There are a multitude of blessings that God's gives us for following this particular commandment.

I know that you agree that it is good, and my main focus was to emphasize that the Sabbath is not bad - but good!

God Bless

You're right Corine, Sabbath was never on a Sunday. And you know what, the Sabbath is still not Sunday, even today. The seventh day has always been what we now refer to as Saturday. The Sabbath was instituted by God that His people, Israel, might set aside a day of rest, even as He rested (or, ceased from all His creative Work) on the seventh day & God sanctified it. So, if you or anyone want to keep Saturday as your rest day, no one should stop you.

Believers who worship on a Sunday (what we term as the Lord's Day - the Day of His Resurrection) ought not to regard Sunday as a Sabbath; it's a day set aside to come together & worship the Lord. They might also choose to rest, not work, or minister to others on that day, but we can't change the Sabbath to a Sunday. A Jew or any person who wants to observe Saturday as Sabbath & feels that disobeying that command puts him/her/others in a precarious position before God, also needs to observe the other commandments, statutes, precepts & laws to the letter. As James reminded us & wrote, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend (or, fail to do) in one point, he is guilty of all." ( James 2:10). And brother Earl has also explained this very well.

Corine:

Exodus 35:3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

Do you turn off all the heat Friday evening at sundown, that's when the sabbath starts, until Saturday evening at sundown when the sabbath ends. Surely you don't turn your stove on to cook or make coffee or toast bread.

Leviticus 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and you shall AFFLICT YOUR SOULS, by a statute forever,

Do you keep the sabbath to the LETTER, there is several hundred statues included in the sabbath.

Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you a Holy day, a sabbath or rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put TO DEATH.

Do you really want to live under the LETTER OF THE LAW, or the LAW OF GRACE.

CHRIST IS OUR SABBATH, IN HIM we REST (are put to death) from OUR WORKS.

Psalms 92:4-6