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  • Cynthia on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    The bible states that drunkenness is sin, but it does not really say that a glass of white wine occasionally is sin.; so my question is why do so many pastor want to preach that it is sin.

    Just a few scriptures here about drinking wine. 1 Timothy 5:23; Ephesians 5:18, and Ecclesiastes 9:7; I am saved, but months into the pandemic I started drinking a glass of wine;

    I used to not even go in a restaurant that served alcohol, but since the pandemic I have had white wine to drink.

    Please clarify this for me.

    Thank you
  • GiGi - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Cynthia, you are correct. The Bible does not condemn consuming alcohol as long as it is done in moderation. One can have one's choice of alcoholic beverage occasionally or even often and not sin. It is when it becomes a compulsion or someone gets drunk on purpose, where it becomes a sin because it affects your mind and body in a way that can lead to further sin through poor judgment and it dulls one to the move and work of the Spirit within us.

    I, myself, rarely have a drink with alcohol in it. I do use it in some dishes I prepare. My husband's family is full of people exhibiting alcoholic behaviors. So, I made the decision to not drink with them when we were first married 42 years ago, as I wanted to be clear minded and always ready to be a positive witness for Jesus.
  • David - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Cynthia Like what's been shared everything in balance knowing what you can handle and still be a witness

    if you like a glass of wine a day big deal but if you can't live without it different situation again balance. We

    control things they don't control us.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Cynthia,

    In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul is telling Timothy "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."

    The water in those days was very polluted and people were becoming diseased from it. And people in those days took a small amount of wine and mixed it with water. In those days, it was 9 parts water and 1 part wine. (Nothing like our wine today). Back then, it did not have the alcohol content, the fermentation as our alcoholic beverages do today. It took quite a while for you to drink, and that's why the wedding feast would last an entire week. It took a long while to get drunk! Today, a person can actually get drunk pretty quick on wine. But they took a little wine for their stomachs sake. It was for medicinal purposes because of how bad the water was.

    And it's kind of interesting that if you notice how it's worded, it's a command, because Timothy doesn't want to go near this stuff. In fact, back in 1 Timothy 3:3, one of the characteristics of the overseer is that they're not given to wine. So Timothy is saying "I'm staying clear of that stuff." And so Paul has to command him, take a little wine for your stomachs sake, and for your often infirmities.

    Obviously Timothy was a sick person, not in good health. And he was told to take a little wine for his stomachs sake. Paul just got through telling him to keep yourself pure, and so he has to mention this to him because Timothy is wrestling with this issue about keeping himself pure.

    As far as if it's okay to have a glass of wine or not, something we need to take into consideration is Romans 14:23 where it says that which is not of faith is sin. Understanding that the word faith literally means persuasion, one must ask before indulging in a glass of wine if it is the Lord persuading them to do so? I'm not trying to be judgmental, but this is something we need to consider in all things. Whatever we are doing, is it under the Lord's persuasion?
  • Adam - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 2 years ago
    Hello... I believe things God made are not sinful to use in moderation. Jesus's first miracle was turning water into alcoholic wine. If it any use was sinful He would not have done this. So, it's ok in moderation. It's also like playing with fire for those with who struggle with limits and self control- they should not have any wine whatsoever. If something causes you to sin cut it off completely than risk a very bad outcome: Matthew 5:30.

    Nearly everything can be abused. Almost any food or herb or vitamin when taken in excess will become toxic. Sugar or caffeine for example. Overeating is very bad on the body. Too much medicine is harmful and addictive, like painkillers. Our bodies are a holy temple and one could say are not even ours (on loan from God) so we are to respect it as such. People in this life struggle with temptations and hugely abuse their bodies, even church leaders and pastors. Similar to 1 Timothy 3:5 one might question if they can't take care of their God-given bodies how they can take care of others in the church.

    God bless...



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