Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Uno Hoo - 2 years ago
    All of the discussion turned away from the subject: I am a wretch ! Paul said he was (still?) chief of all sinners. I know that God SAVED a wretch like me, but I'm still a wretch..."Oh wretched man that I am."

    God isn't finished with me. Why HE tolerates me I don"t know, but HE does. And I'm on my way... jes goin home!
  • Gigi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Uh No,

    I am not trying to lecture anyone. Just sharing my thoughts and explaining my ideas. Some people like to post and read things that are short and sweet. Others like to post and read more lengthy posts.

    I hope you will be blessed by what people share.

    God's blessing to you always.
  • Gigi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thank you David, for your good response.

    I too, do not go around each day ready for a fight or worrying about my sins. The Scripture says that the Holy Spirit contends against the sinful flesh ( Galatians 5:17). The battle is the Spirits, not ours. But there are times when the Spirit reveals to use a sinful tendency or habitual action and it grieves us, as it did Paul, because we do not want any area of our lives to be controlled by sin. I do believe that believers do sin, but the Spirit will not allow us to be happy in sinning, and will prompt us to repent and ask for forgiveness. I pray and ask God to replace this sin with a godly action next time I am in a situation where I may be tempted. I know people who are believers who do participating in ongoing sin. For example, people who continue to lie, gossip, cuss, or have sex with their boyfriends or girlfriend. Some sinful patterns are hard to break when someone wants to, and some believers don't admit that wat they continue to do is sinful, and so, do not repent. I think this may be the case for more believers than not. We all have to grow in godliness in this life. The Spirit helps us.
  • Uno Hoo - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I said my piece, and (respectfully) I don't want to be lectured to. I'm military and I try to keep it simple (KISS). So again, I think the conversation has gotten too complicated, and off subject. On the other hand, it's good to think and research God's Word. God bless you.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Uno Hoo,

    Good Morning,

    I apologize for getting your name wrong on my reply to me.
  • We are not under Condemnation - In Reply - 2 years ago
    ROMANS 7 (the "I" chapter).count how many times Paul said "I". He was really stressing about the flesh

    "23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    ROMANS 8:1 [ THE GOOD NEWS]

    1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    When Paul arrived at Romans 8:1 he discovered victory in and through, Jesus; by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Happiness through reverence is wonderful.

    Mishael
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi, Mishael,

    I think that Romans 7 is referring to Paul's struggles as a believer. When we come to Christ and are remade in Christ we do become more acutely aware of our sinfulness and the impact of our sinful nature on us daily. Paul, before conversion thought of himself as righteous according to the law. His conscience did not bother him too much. But now, as a Christian believer, his conscience, being made aright by the Spirit, is bringing to light what Jesus meant when he elevated the commandments (if you are angry with your brother, you commit murder, etc..) Paul was being sifted by the Holy Spirit, showing him areas were unknown sin is manifested in his life. As one who really loved what is good and right, it was very grievous for Paul to face these sins (habits of the mind, attitudes, sins of omission) that didn't bother him before conversion. God was calling him to a higher righteousness than that of the Pharisees (which he was as a Jew) Wanting to be victorious over all sin in his life, he realized e could not and then turns his attention and hope to Jesus, proclaiming that Jesus alone can rescue him from sin and death. Praise God! This is true for us, too.
  • BECOMING MORE LIKE CHRIST__LOVE LIKE CHRIST - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Paul was saved wondrously for sure. What a testimony right?

    He had given orders for Christians to be executed. He was like a poster child for sin. Except all sin is bad.

    He was being boxed in by the Savior, until Paul realizes he can't fix this. HE is going to have to rely on Jesus and the Holy Spirit to keep him saved, sanctified, led by the Holy Spirit every single day.

    God has to work that 'Reactive' impulse out of us. This happens and we react; that clobbers us and we have to react as our Savior would.

    The Lord took me to this experience also. Until I was sitting in the dirt on the side of a road, just like Job. And then a Miracle Happens! We stop defending and striving; and this glorious acceptance from God envelopes us. Carries us through the problems on to the victory over them.

    Our reliance on Jesus and the Holy Spirit is burned into our being. But Sometimes we'll fall into that trap of thinking we are hot stuff. Got all the answers and March onuntil we get set on the curbside, in the dirt again, to think, remember it was Jesus who got us where we are. He is constantly leading us; and follow Him we must do.

    Our lives are Hid in Jesus. And people need to see Jesus, follow Jesus. Fall deeply in love with Jesus. Be smitten with love for the Holy Spirit.

    Gods Love should fall on all people we run into.

    Our hearts and what we know and have experienced, in Jesus; is the testimony we carry to others who don't yet have that. Follow Peace with all men (humans). They should see Jesus when we walk in the room.

    Jesus is the WELL we draw from for the Living Water. If you feel like a voice crying in the wilderness, all alone; go to the WELL. Be filled anew. Splash that joy on the people.

    Bread laying on the ground is eaten by crows. Jesus is the Bread of life. Feed those starving, with THAT bread. Come and Taste the Goodness of the Lord. Tell that Jesus to the seekers.

    Mishael
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mishael

    Totally agree and wonderfully stated. Thanks!
  • David - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mishael That's what I'm talking about let the old man Go and walk in the new Creation in you with Christ, we are

    perfect physically we are perfect spiritually in Gods Eyes. We are now on Gods Team!
  • GiGi again - In Reply - 2 years ago
    David,

    yes, that is what Paul was describing. We battle the sinful nature all of our lives until we are finally free of it in heaven. But, daily, we can put it to death by the power of the Holy Spirit who is stronger than our sins and our old nature. It is the Spirit's work to show us our outward and inward sin wit His s, and it is His work to sanctify us with His Presence and His Word.

    So glad for that!
  • David - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Gigi The word tells me what my fight is and understanding of the old man nature the spirit lets me know always the correct action to take in my believing walk in Christ, I don't wake up with the mind set of a fight with the sin I gotta

    focus on whats my next move God, I've learned when I sin thank God of course genuinely for forgiveness and move on absolutely no dwelling, learn from it yes but no dwelling.

    In Gods eyes the word says we are saints which means separated one by the gospel I am no longer a sinner in a constant state the one I was born In I'm born again Gods Child

    now I will commit sin or break fellowship but that does not make me a sinner. You can't be both. Now I'm sharing with you my heart and understanding and I'd rather believe this positive than walk around being fearful of making a mistake

    which I know a lot of believers that constantly think there doing something wrong all the time. That condemnation is a trick of the devil. We are more than conquerors through Him that loved us and gave Himself for us. One other point if I feel unworthy how can I do or believe Hebrews 4:16. Let us come boldly to the throne of grace[we didn't earn it we just believe it] that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. None of us are good Enough to have what we have been given, its all grace. God Bless



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