I know that God orders our steps. My problem is my daughter and I get into a discussion every now and then about about peoples time to go. She says you are not going to die until it's your time, and I tell her that a person can hasten their death by doing stupid stuff like drugs, driving recklessly or sleeping on a train track, etc. She said well it's their time to go or they wouldn't die. I tell her no that it God will that we live our full number of days and some people choose to die early by their lifestyle. God gave us a free will and how we choose to live our life is up to us, we can live it well with Him Lord of our life or we can live for the world and pay the consequences.. The bottom line I told her she needs to search the Word for answers. I'm not sure which scripture to have her read not to confuse her. I'm just not sure, if I'm wrong, please help me to see where I fall short. I just want to please my Heavenly Father and lead my daughter in all truths not my truth. Your help is much appreciated.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply - 2 years ago
Precious Glenda, yes, very good point, as taught By our GRACE apostle, Paul:
"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest LIVE LONG on the earth." ( Ephesians 6:1-3) However, choosing 'our own' way:
"Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. FOR THIS CAUSE many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep {HAVE DIED!}." ( 1 Co 11:27-30)
Thus, it is a Biblical Fact, and we all really 'should' Heed WHAT GOD SAYS:
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap" Galatians 6:7)
And, then, of course, there is Also "reward OR LOSS thereof" at our Judgment ( 1 Co 3:6-15 cp 1 Co 5:1-5)
Hope this helps...
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
Sister Glenda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom AND HIS understanding.
God is SOVEREIGN. That implies that NOTHING is done apart from HIM DOING IT; his WILL being done (good and bad). Since GOD'S WILL is always being done (even though man DOES NOT BELIEVE IT), man DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL (man does't believe that he DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL).
These scriptures below say man does not have free will; but that God is sovereign and does HIS WILL:
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (his SPIRIT) which WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL (he CAUSES his will to be your will) and TO DO (good or bad) his good pleasure.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the CLAY (his creation) of the same lump to make one vessel (man) to HONOUR, and another (man) to DISHONOUR.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in CHRIST) we also have obtained an INHERITANCE (from the Father, to become a SON OF GOD, like our brother Jesus Christ), being PREDESTINATED according to THE PURPOSE of him (the Father) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my Spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
God has a PLAN for ALL mankind. We can not fully understand why God does things the way he does; but he has PROMISED that HIS PLAN will end in PERFECTION.
When the Spirit causes you to BELIEVE the above verses you will REST in the SECURITY of his will, instead of the UNSECURITY of you SUPPOSED free will.
Those 3 verses posted don't say man doesn't have freewill. God absolutely gave man freewill and it was God's will to give it to man. Who is anyone to say that God can't give man freewill if He chooses. Does he doubt the power of God?
Man often makes bad choices, makes mistakes, and chooses evil. Are you saying God then is fallible and sometimes chooses evil? That's a bold statement to make. I certainly don't believe that.
Also, just because God chose to give man freewill doesn't in any way diminish God's power or will, either. God can do whatever He wants, and He decided to give man freewill to choose good or evil in this short life. He gave us freewill to follow Jesus or not. If we had no freewill, what is the point of life? What would be the point of sharing the gospel? If no one has any freewill. Did you not have freewill to post a comment in this Bible forum. Were you forced to beyond your will? Have you never made a decision in your whole life?
Here's some verses that are relevent about out freewill if you have the freewill or desire to click on it:
That's the one! Thank you for replying. I pray that over my son (Cliff) for years, concerning people he loved dearly that died from terrible accidents. Everyone in his life are all Christians! I know he still blames God.
There's nothing harder than praying for people you love. All I can say is, "Lord I know you got this."
Brother Bowman, are you telling me that the scriptures says I have no choice what so ever in my life. Don't I have to make the choice to live for God according to the scriptures in Roman: 10: 9 &10, or a choice not to accept His free gift of enteral life? Doesn't the Word say in John 3:16; that whoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life, that sounds like a choice to me. I think I might be confused on what you were trying to say to me, if I am I apologize to you.
All I want to do is live my life for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and grow in the knowledge and wisdom of His Word and teachings. I have been on this earth 73 years and I'm just trying to help my daughter understand the Word, but it would seem that I am the one that needs to understanding.
You are blessed. It takes very great faith to leave the results in Gods capable hands.
Your prayers are powerful.
Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, BUT HAVING SEEN THEM FROM AFAR, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Ephesians 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and HAVING DONE ALL, TO STAND.
This is what we do for our unsaved loved ones. We pray and keep them lifted up, before Gods throne. We ask that laborers in the Harvest, to be sent to them, in their every day lives. We WAR against Satan from blinding and stopping up their ears to hear.
Then just open your arms to freely love this person and bless with kindness.
Save these comments in your Notes Folder on your phone or pc. Encourage yourself as needed.
Dear "Glenda Faircloth" In Jesus Name, the free will is free if u already are a christian. If a person dont belive in Jesus Christ yet, the person dont have the understanding to live or die. And are bound to the darkness, pain, sickness and the cold word of white and black. A person is not free under the darkness, only a slave is she or he.
See it like a rebelion youth. Key word, patient, loving, caring. mm.
All ppl are only free in God.
In my life i try too be as free as posible, in Jesus.
And if someone give me the opportunity to preach the Gospel am free in the Lord Jesus. What the Holy Spirit lead me to do, pray, read. That is all who matters. We have different gifts.
My heart tell me what am free too do.
I Corintians 9. 19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. Or in Galatians 5.1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Amen
First i ask ppl i meet if they belive in Jesus? Becouse no-one can Speak Jesus name if they dont. Evan the darknes know about Jesus, and they belive in Him.
Philippian's 2. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Acts 16. 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
easy
What can ppl wich for, when the God have spoken and will do what ever He want? I can say, what He already have decide.
In Jesus Name will all be saved who belives in Him, in the time when and God have decide. That is not up too us. I'll hope am getting my wrightning understanding. God bless u all in Jesus Holy Name.
But best of all i said if ppl do deliver them self too God straight, and right Now. But i cant do anything about that. We can do two things, pray and fast. in Lord Jesus Christ name.
Sister Glenda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Age is in YOUR favour; because, you can look back at more experiences of LIFE, than your daughter.
The SPIRIT has CAUSED you (through the CHOICES he CAUSED you to make) to have those experiences of LIFE (good and evil) because it is necessary to become like God. ( Genesis 3:22)
God KNOWS how to USE EVIL for GOOD.
God CAUSED Joseph to have a silly little dream and to tell his brothers about that dream.
God CAUSED his brothers to be envious and hate Joseph.
God CAUSED his brothers to rise up and do EVIL against their brother Joseph.
But look what THE WORD SAYS:
Genesis 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not, for I am in the place of God (where God purposed him to be).
Genesis 50:20 But as FOR YOU, you thought EVIL against me, but God meant (caused) it (evil) unto GOOD, to bring to pass, as it is this day, TO SAVE MUCH PEOPLE ALIVE.
God is STILL DOING this TODAY; Man just does't BELIEVE IT.
Did Judas have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO.( Zechariah 11:12)
Did Peter have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO (deny Jesus and flee)( Zechariah 13:7).
Did Pharaoh have a Choice outside of what God had purposed Him TO DO ( Romans 9:17).
Did David have a Choice outside of what God purposed him TO DO.
2 Samuel 24:1 And AGAIN the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he MOVED (CAUSED) David against them, to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
God PURPOSED that you are going to become the IMAGE of HIM ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49), Do you think you have a CHOICE outside of what he has purpose you TO DO.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statues (good or evil), and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
Sister glenda, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.
god (spirit) is sovereign; god leaves no part of his children being brought to perfection (image of god), to mans supposed free will.
we all make choices thousands of times a day; but there is always a cause that made you make that choice.
philippians 2:13 for it is god (spirit) that worketh in you both to will and to do his good pleasure.
ephesians 1:11 in whom (in christ) we also have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated (god's will and work) according to his purpose (bring sons and daughters in the glory of the father)(not left to chance and choice of man) of him who worketh all things (even you choices) after the council of his own will:
god does not even leave your believing to chance:
philippians 1:29 for it is given to you on the behalf of christ, not only to believe (the word) on him, but to suffer (in the flesh) for his (name) sake.
I know that God orders our steps. My problem is my daughter and I get into a discussion every now and then about about peoples time to go. She says you are not going to die until it's your time, and I tell her that a person can hasten their death by doing stupid stuff like drugs, driving recklessly or sleeping on a train track, etc. She said well it's their time to go or they wouldn't die. I tell her no that it God will that we live our full number of days and some people choose to die early by their lifestyle. God gave us a free will and how we choose to live our life is up to us, we can live it well with Him Lord of our life or we can live for the world and pay the consequences.. The bottom line I told her she needs to search the Word for answers. I'm not sure which scripture to have her read not to confuse her. I'm just not sure, if I'm wrong, please help me to see where I fall short. I just want to please my Heavenly Father and lead my daughter in all truths not my truth. Your help is much appreciated.
Regarding your question about Death? Some Reasons
1. Genesis 3; 2 Samuel 11; 2 Timothy 3:1-7
2. Ecclesiastes 9:1-12 (Chance OR accidents)
3. Matthew 24:6-12 etc.
Hope:
John 5:28,29
John 3:16,17
Revelation 21:3-5
"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest LIVE LONG on the earth." ( Ephesians 6:1-3) However, choosing 'our own' way:
"Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. FOR THIS CAUSE many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep {HAVE DIED!}." ( 1 Co 11:27-30)
Thus, it is a Biblical Fact, and we all really 'should' Heed WHAT GOD SAYS:
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap" Galatians 6:7)
And, then, of course, there is Also "reward OR LOSS thereof" at our Judgment ( 1 Co 3:6-15 cp 1 Co 5:1-5)
Hope this helps...
Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9=Grace/Mystery
fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)
God is SOVEREIGN. That implies that NOTHING is done apart from HIM DOING IT; his WILL being done (good and bad). Since GOD'S WILL is always being done (even though man DOES NOT BELIEVE IT), man DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL (man does't believe that he DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL).
These scriptures below say man does not have free will; but that God is sovereign and does HIS WILL:
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (his SPIRIT) which WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL (he CAUSES his will to be your will) and TO DO (good or bad) his good pleasure.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter POWER over the CLAY (his creation) of the same lump to make one vessel (man) to HONOUR, and another (man) to DISHONOUR.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom (in CHRIST) we also have obtained an INHERITANCE (from the Father, to become a SON OF GOD, like our brother Jesus Christ), being PREDESTINATED according to THE PURPOSE of him (the Father) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my Spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
God has a PLAN for ALL mankind. We can not fully understand why God does things the way he does; but he has PROMISED that HIS PLAN will end in PERFECTION.
When the Spirit causes you to BELIEVE the above verses you will REST in the SECURITY of his will, instead of the UNSECURITY of you SUPPOSED free will.
Man often makes bad choices, makes mistakes, and chooses evil. Are you saying God then is fallible and sometimes chooses evil? That's a bold statement to make. I certainly don't believe that.
Also, just because God chose to give man freewill doesn't in any way diminish God's power or will, either. God can do whatever He wants, and He decided to give man freewill to choose good or evil in this short life. He gave us freewill to follow Jesus or not. If we had no freewill, what is the point of life? What would be the point of sharing the gospel? If no one has any freewill. Did you not have freewill to post a comment in this Bible forum. Were you forced to beyond your will? Have you never made a decision in your whole life?
Here's some verses that are relevent about out freewill if you have the freewill or desire to click on it:
Link
You're Welcome.
God bless.
Maybe this?
Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
God bless.
There's nothing harder than praying for people you love. All I can say is, "Lord I know you got this."
All I want to do is live my life for my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and grow in the knowledge and wisdom of His Word and teachings. I have been on this earth 73 years and I'm just trying to help my daughter understand the Word, but it would seem that I am the one that needs to understanding.
Your prayers are powerful.
Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, BUT HAVING SEEN THEM FROM AFAR, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Ephesians 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and HAVING DONE ALL, TO STAND.
This is what we do for our unsaved loved ones. We pray and keep them lifted up, before Gods throne. We ask that laborers in the Harvest, to be sent to them, in their every day lives. We WAR against Satan from blinding and stopping up their ears to hear.
Then just open your arms to freely love this person and bless with kindness.
Save these comments in your Notes Folder on your phone or pc. Encourage yourself as needed.
I think he is correct too !
See it like a rebelion youth. Key word, patient, loving, caring. mm.
All ppl are only free in God.
In my life i try too be as free as posible, in Jesus.
And if someone give me the opportunity to preach the Gospel am free in the Lord Jesus. What the Holy Spirit lead me to do, pray, read. That is all who matters. We have different gifts.
My heart tell me what am free too do.
I Corintians 9. 19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. Or in Galatians 5.1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Amen
First i ask ppl i meet if they belive in Jesus? Becouse no-one can Speak Jesus name if they dont. Evan the darknes know about Jesus, and they belive in Him.
Philippian's 2. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Acts 16. 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
easy
What can ppl wich for, when the God have spoken and will do what ever He want? I can say, what He already have decide.
In Jesus Name will all be saved who belives in Him, in the time when and God have decide. That is not up too us. I'll hope am getting my wrightning understanding. God bless u all in Jesus Holy Name.
But best of all i said if ppl do deliver them self too God straight, and right Now. But i cant do anything about that. We can do two things, pray and fast. in Lord Jesus Christ name.
Age is in YOUR favour; because, you can look back at more experiences of LIFE, than your daughter.
The SPIRIT has CAUSED you (through the CHOICES he CAUSED you to make) to have those experiences of LIFE (good and evil) because it is necessary to become like God. ( Genesis 3:22)
God KNOWS how to USE EVIL for GOOD.
God CAUSED Joseph to have a silly little dream and to tell his brothers about that dream.
God CAUSED his brothers to be envious and hate Joseph.
God CAUSED his brothers to rise up and do EVIL against their brother Joseph.
But look what THE WORD SAYS:
Genesis 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not, for I am in the place of God (where God purposed him to be).
Genesis 50:20 But as FOR YOU, you thought EVIL against me, but God meant (caused) it (evil) unto GOOD, to bring to pass, as it is this day, TO SAVE MUCH PEOPLE ALIVE.
God is STILL DOING this TODAY; Man just does't BELIEVE IT.
Did Judas have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO.( Zechariah 11:12)
Did Peter have a Choice outside of what God had purposed him TO DO (deny Jesus and flee)( Zechariah 13:7).
Did Pharaoh have a Choice outside of what God had purposed Him TO DO ( Romans 9:17).
Did David have a Choice outside of what God purposed him TO DO.
2 Samuel 24:1 And AGAIN the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he MOVED (CAUSED) David against them, to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
God PURPOSED that you are going to become the IMAGE of HIM ( Romans 8:29)( 1 Corinthians 15:49), Do you think you have a CHOICE outside of what he has purpose you TO DO.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statues (good or evil), and you shall keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
God's WAY is not man's WAY.
god (spirit) is sovereign; god leaves no part of his children being brought to perfection (image of god), to mans supposed free will.
we all make choices thousands of times a day; but there is always a cause that made you make that choice.
philippians 2:13 for it is god (spirit) that worketh in you both to will and to do his good pleasure.
ephesians 1:11 in whom (in christ) we also have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated (god's will and work) according to his purpose (bring sons and daughters in the glory of the father)(not left to chance and choice of man) of him who worketh all things (even you choices) after the council of his own will:
god does not even leave your believing to chance:
philippians 1:29 for it is given to you on the behalf of christ, not only to believe (the word) on him, but to suffer (in the flesh) for his (name) sake.
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