After Jesus was resurrected he met with his disciples and said the following:
Mark 16:14-17
14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen
Again, Jesus speaks directly in this scripture and confirms we must be born of water and of the Spirit.
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Notice how Jesus very clearly couples together "of water and of the Spirit" because WE need BOTH. If it was only ONE of these required, Jesus could have simply said: example: Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
I believe this is very simple scripture directing Christians to be baptized in water and of the Spirit if they wish to enter into the kingdom of God.
In regard to the weight that I put on various scripture, I will always put more weight on Jesus/God's words. Example: If any of the apostles words are interpreted by others to contradict what Jesus has previously taught, explained, instructed, then I will choose Jesus over everyone else, including the apostles.
A good example today, many people take apostle Pauls words - to create whatever interpretation that they wish to profess, even if it is in direct conflict with what Jesus/God instructs. So then, this leads directly to the Faith/Grace ONLY doctrine, resulting in no need to change their behavior, they can continue in their worldly ways, while sinning, and all along believing they are saved anyway.
This scripture tells us that few will make it to heaven:
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT! Do you believe what Jesus says here? I DO, and I believe every word that Jesus says. I am humble enough to say "I fear God". I fear that he will kill my body and soul in HELL!
I will continue to point out this scripture to all that have eyes to see, and ears to hear!
I enjoy sharing thoughts and scripture with you brother.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply - 2 years ago
Precious Dan:
" Mark 16:14-17 So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen"
God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:
(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!
The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:
(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:
Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------
Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.
So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!
Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?
Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"
Thanks for your response and thoughts, as well as all of your related scripture, I read all of your scripture, and the scripture is all very good, but it does not convince me that water baptism is no longer a requirement for a Christian.
When I read scripture I place the most weight when Jesus speaks (because he is speaking from God). Here is Jesus speaking about water baptism:
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Jesus said there must be 2 actions (TWO ACTIONS ARE REQUIRED) We must be born of Water and of the Spirit! Done. If you argue with this, then you are really arguing directly with Jesus, in my opinion.
Here is additional scripture showing 2 ACTIONS are required:
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
He that believeth - We must believe - 1st ACTION
and is Baptized - WE must be baptized - 2nd ACTION
The scripture doesn't just say we must just believe, we must do BOTH!
Last, but not least, my question would really be, why wouldn't a Christian want to be baptized in water and the spirit, as Jesus states: to enter the kingdom of Heaven?
ChrisE (Grace Ambassador) - In Reply - 2 years ago
Precious Dan, Thanks So Much for this Great Discussion. You said: "If you follow Jesus you will listen to what He says in scripture" Now, Concerning this and the 'One' Baptism, I say:
So, we know The Scriptures about baptisms, but simply disagree on 'the weight' of Jesus' Words?
Q: As opposed to what 'other' words are there? ie:
(1) The 4 gospels Jesus' words of 'prophecy' to the twelve, {heavily weighted?}, or:
(2) Christ's Word's of The Revelation Of The Mystery {lesser weighted?}, to Paul, Under Grace, for us, today? ie:
...the commandments we gave you By The LORD JESUS ( 1 Thessalonians 4:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words, Even The Words Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST... ( 1 Timothy 6:3)
Hold fast the form of Sound Words, Which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS ( 2 Timothy 1:13)
methinks, instead of 'weighing' Them, it should be more like "Which Words 'Are Directly To' us," From CHRIST, Teaching us The 'One' Baptism we "need to enter the kingdom"...
So, Dan, "Which Words" do we obey, Today, Under GRACE?
I believe This Rightly Divided Discussion may help: see 2 Timothy 2
Precious Dan, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply - 2 years ago
Precious Dan, Thanks So Much for this Great Discussion. You said: "If you follow Jesus you will listen to what He says in scripture" Now, Concerning this and the 'One' Baptism, I say:
So, we know The Scriptures about baptisms, but simply disagree on 'the weight' of Jesus' Words?
Q: As opposed to what 'other' words are there? ie:
(1) The 4 gospels Jesus' words of 'prophecy' to the twelve, {heavily weighted?}, or:
(2) Christ's Word's of The Revelation Of The Mystery {lesser weighted?}, to Paul, Under Grace, for us, today? ie:
...the commandments we gave you By The LORD JESUS ( 1 Thessalonians 4:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words, Even The Words Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST... ( 1 Timothy 6:3)
Hold fast the form of Sound Words, Which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS ( 2 Timothy 1:13)
methinks, instead of 'weighing' Them, it should be more like "Which Words 'Are Directly To' us," From CHRIST, Teaching us The 'One' Baptism we "need to enter the kingdom"...
So, Dan, "Which Words" do we obey, Today, Under GRACE?
I believe This Rightly Divided Discussion may help:
"Again, Jesus speaks directly in this scripture and confirms we must be born of water and of the Spirit.
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Notice how Jesus very clearly couples together "of water and of the Spirit" because WE need BOTH. If it was only ONE of these required, Jesus could have simply said: example: Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
I believe this is very simple scripture directing Christians to be baptized in water and of the Spirit if they wish to enter into the kingdom of God.
In regard to the weight that I put on various scripture, I will always put more weight on Jesus/God's words. Example: If any of the apostles words are interpreted by others to contradict what Jesus has previously taught, explained, instructed, then I will choose Jesus over everyone else, including the apostles.
A good example today, many people take apostle Pauls words - to create whatever interpretation that they wish to profess, even if it is in direct conflict with what Jesus/God instructs. So then, this leads directly to the Faith/Grace ONLY doctrine, resulting in no need to change their behavior, they can continue in their worldly ways, while sinning, and all along believing they are saved anyway.
This scripture tells us that few will make it to heaven:
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT! Do you believe what Jesus says here? I DO, and I believe every word that Jesus says. I am humble enough to say "I fear God". I fear that he will kill my body and soul in HELL!
I will continue to point out this scripture to all that have eyes to see, and ears to hear!
I enjoy sharing thoughts and scripture with you brother.
Mark 16:14-17
14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen
God Bless and Happy Sabbath Day!
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Notice how Jesus very clearly couples together "of water and of the Spirit" because WE need BOTH. If it was only ONE of these required, Jesus could have simply said: example: Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
I believe this is very simple scripture directing Christians to be baptized in water and of the Spirit if they wish to enter into the kingdom of God.
In regard to the weight that I put on various scripture, I will always put more weight on Jesus/God's words. Example: If any of the apostles words are interpreted by others to contradict what Jesus has previously taught, explained, instructed, then I will choose Jesus over everyone else, including the apostles.
A good example today, many people take apostle Pauls words - to create whatever interpretation that they wish to profess, even if it is in direct conflict with what Jesus/God instructs. So then, this leads directly to the Faith/Grace ONLY doctrine, resulting in no need to change their behavior, they can continue in their worldly ways, while sinning, and all along believing they are saved anyway.
This scripture tells us that few will make it to heaven:
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT! Do you believe what Jesus says here? I DO, and I believe every word that Jesus says. I am humble enough to say "I fear God". I fear that he will kill my body and soul in HELL!
I will continue to point out this scripture to all that have eyes to see, and ears to hear!
I enjoy sharing thoughts and scripture with you brother.
God Bless.
" Mark 16:14-17 So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen"
God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:
(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!
The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)
Prophecy/Law
Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:
(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:
Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------
Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.
So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!
Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?
Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)
Thanks for your response and thoughts, as well as all of your related scripture, I read all of your scripture, and the scripture is all very good, but it does not convince me that water baptism is no longer a requirement for a Christian.
When I read scripture I place the most weight when Jesus speaks (because he is speaking from God). Here is Jesus speaking about water baptism:
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Jesus said there must be 2 actions (TWO ACTIONS ARE REQUIRED) We must be born of Water and of the Spirit! Done. If you argue with this, then you are really arguing directly with Jesus, in my opinion.
Here is additional scripture showing 2 ACTIONS are required:
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
He that believeth - We must believe - 1st ACTION
and is Baptized - WE must be baptized - 2nd ACTION
The scripture doesn't just say we must just believe, we must do BOTH!
Last, but not least, my question would really be, why wouldn't a Christian want to be baptized in water and the spirit, as Jesus states: to enter the kingdom of Heaven?
God Bless.
So, we know The Scriptures about baptisms, but simply disagree on 'the weight' of Jesus' Words?
Q: As opposed to what 'other' words are there? ie:
(1) The 4 gospels Jesus' words of 'prophecy' to the twelve, {heavily weighted?}, or:
(2) Christ's Word's of The Revelation Of The Mystery {lesser weighted?}, to Paul, Under Grace, for us, today? ie:
...the commandments we gave you By The LORD JESUS ( 1 Thessalonians 4:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words, Even The Words Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST... ( 1 Timothy 6:3)
Hold fast the form of Sound Words, Which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS ( 2 Timothy 1:13)
methinks, instead of 'weighing' Them, it should be more like "Which Words 'Are Directly To' us," From CHRIST, Teaching us The 'One' Baptism we "need to enter the kingdom"...
So, Dan, "Which Words" do we obey, Today, Under GRACE?
I believe This Rightly Divided Discussion may help: see 2 Timothy 2
Precious Dan, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship today?)
So, we know The Scriptures about baptisms, but simply disagree on 'the weight' of Jesus' Words?
Q: As opposed to what 'other' words are there? ie:
(1) The 4 gospels Jesus' words of 'prophecy' to the twelve, {heavily weighted?}, or:
(2) Christ's Word's of The Revelation Of The Mystery {lesser weighted?}, to Paul, Under Grace, for us, today? ie:
...the commandments we gave you By The LORD JESUS ( 1 Thessalonians 4:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words, Even The Words Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST... ( 1 Timothy 6:3)
Hold fast the form of Sound Words, Which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in CHRIST JESUS ( 2 Timothy 1:13)
methinks, instead of 'weighing' Them, it should be more like "Which Words 'Are Directly To' us," From CHRIST, Teaching us The 'One' Baptism we "need to enter the kingdom"...
So, Dan, "Which Words" do we obey, Today, Under GRACE?
I believe This Rightly Divided Discussion may help:
Link
Precious Dan, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship today?)
"Again, Jesus speaks directly in this scripture and confirms we must be born of water and of the Spirit.
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Notice how Jesus very clearly couples together "of water and of the Spirit" because WE need BOTH. If it was only ONE of these required, Jesus could have simply said: example: Except a man be born of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
I believe this is very simple scripture directing Christians to be baptized in water and of the Spirit if they wish to enter into the kingdom of God.
In regard to the weight that I put on various scripture, I will always put more weight on Jesus/God's words. Example: If any of the apostles words are interpreted by others to contradict what Jesus has previously taught, explained, instructed, then I will choose Jesus over everyone else, including the apostles.
A good example today, many people take apostle Pauls words - to create whatever interpretation that they wish to profess, even if it is in direct conflict with what Jesus/God instructs. So then, this leads directly to the Faith/Grace ONLY doctrine, resulting in no need to change their behavior, they can continue in their worldly ways, while sinning, and all along believing they are saved anyway.
This scripture tells us that few will make it to heaven:
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT! Do you believe what Jesus says here? I DO, and I believe every word that Jesus says. I am humble enough to say "I fear God". I fear that he will kill my body and soul in HELL!
I will continue to point out this scripture to all that have eyes to see, and ears to hear!
I enjoy sharing thoughts and scripture with you brother.
God Bless."
This comment thread is locked. Please enter a new comment below to start a new comment thread.
Note: Comment threads older than 2 months are automatically locked.
Do you have a Bible comment or question?
Please Sign In or Register to post comments...
Report Comment
Which best represents the problem with the comment?