John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
I know how many perceive these verses and this is not to debate that, it is to show my understanding if someone wants to study it.
We see in ( John 13:1) this is right before the last Passover Jesus would attend before he would be crucified, and Jesus just then knew His hour had come. We see this by what He told them in ( Luke 22:14-16). We must keep in mind the things coming, Jesus being arrested, crucified, and His resurrection was hidden from the apostles until after His resurrection and He appeared to them.
When Adam sinned, sin filled the dwelling-place that God could no longer dwell in man and man could not dwell in God. The word mansions are the same word, Strong's 3438 mon meaning lodging, dwelling-place, room, abode, mansion. Jesus told them He was going to prepare a place for you. We know where He was going, the cross.
Jesus did prepare a place He gave is life, body, and blood and that dwelling place that Adam filled with sin, Jesus paid the price and now God through Jesus by the Holy Spirit, God can now dwell in man and man can dwell in God.
Jesus will return, His second coming and when all is new, we will forever be with Him.
The gathering, the second coming of Jesus, ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13) ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1) (Corinthians 15:51-54) we also see in ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13: 24:27). The Rapture as taught, Christ comes and takes the Church to heaven before the great tribulation.
Simple question, where is the destination after we meet Jesus in the air? Does the scriptures say He takes us to heaven? Is there at least one clear scripture without philosophical interpretation saying we are taken or we go to heaven?
I have comforted me with this word and belive it. John 14. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of one. However, you will not find the word "Rapture" used. The phrase you will see is "caught up." The Greek word used for the phrase caught up is the word HARPADZO. The Latin word is RAPTUS, which is where the English word rapture comes from.
Hi Rudy L Cole The term rapture does not exist in the bible the event is in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 followed by 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 Better known as the Resurrection of the Body of Christ the Church of god. Last 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. In His Service
NOPE ,.. as a matter of fact,.. it's mentioned as God " HATES" those who teach their children to fly to save there souls ,.. Ezekiel, chapter 13 ,.. verses 18 - 21 ,.. the first part of chapter 13 , is God explaining about false teaching,..
I'm glad to see your understanding is consistent with scripture. If you notice there is an information gap between the first and second resurrections. For instance, ( Revelation 11:12) describes the one hundred forty four thousand being called up to heaven. You would think that this is the only resurrection because the saints appear alone on Mount Olives with Jesus at the seventh trumpet. The thousand year reign on earth cannot house the many billions that make up the the dead in Christ. The second resurrection comprises the "whole house of Israel" as depicted in ( Ezekiel 37:1-14). This doesn't count the 108 billion soles that have ever lived. This is why the new heavens and earth come about, to accommodate everyone.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 marks the first resurrection, but its presentation is incomplete and confusing. Are there elements of both resurrections here? There's no doubt that at the final trumpet everyone is changed. Paul is saying that all believers rise, but is he talking about the saints/ 24 elders being resurrected; when he says "we", is he talking about his set? If this is the dead in Christ resurrection, where do all the risen go to manifest themselves in the afterlife. There is never any mention of the dead in heaven, other than the saints. Are these believers being held in a unique place, other than joining the saints and elders? Are details being withheld till a later time when we're able to process it. Anything written past the seventh trumpet has been made confusing, details are withheld. It's as if the two resurrections have something in common with the sealed up seven thunders.
It is clear that there are gaps in the resurrection time-line, and the story is presented in a manner that merges the two resurrections together. Ideally, the first resurrection is for the saints/elders, and the second is for everyone else. However, I couldn't wholeheartedly sign off on a theory for the mentioned reasons.
That's a fair analysis of the resurrections. If you dissect each resurrection you will find that the firstfruits, saints, do not stand in front of the great white throne. The saints are thrust through in the twinkling of an eye to heaven. It's as though they are fast tracked into service.
The participants of the second resurrection, namely all of us who are left, will stand in front of the great white throne for judgment, post millennium.
The distinction between resurrections is subtle but clear. The saints are a separate class of elite Christian's as opposed to the general, second resurrection population.
Thanks for your explanation, God bless the dividing of truth as we inch closer to home.
I know how many perceive these verses and this is not to debate that, it is to show my understanding if someone wants to study it.
We see in ( John 13:1) this is right before the last Passover Jesus would attend before he would be crucified, and Jesus just then knew His hour had come. We see this by what He told them in ( Luke 22:14-16). We must keep in mind the things coming, Jesus being arrested, crucified, and His resurrection was hidden from the apostles until after His resurrection and He appeared to them.
When Adam sinned, sin filled the dwelling-place that God could no longer dwell in man and man could not dwell in God. The word mansions are the same word, Strong's 3438 mon meaning lodging, dwelling-place, room, abode, mansion. Jesus told them He was going to prepare a place for you. We know where He was going, the cross.
Jesus did prepare a place He gave is life, body, and blood and that dwelling place that Adam filled with sin, Jesus paid the price and now God through Jesus by the Holy Spirit, God can now dwell in man and man can dwell in God.
Jesus will return, His second coming and when all is new, we will forever be with Him.
God bless us, and our ears open.
RLW
The gathering, the second coming of Jesus, ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13) ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1) (Corinthians 15:51-54) we also see in ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13: 24:27). The Rapture as taught, Christ comes and takes the Church to heaven before the great tribulation.
Simple question, where is the destination after we meet Jesus in the air? Does the scriptures say He takes us to heaven? Is there at least one clear scripture without philosophical interpretation saying we are taken or we go to heaven?
God bless,
RLW
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
God bless u in Jesus name.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of one. However, you will not find the word "Rapture" used. The phrase you will see is "caught up." The Greek word used for the phrase caught up is the word HARPADZO. The Latin word is RAPTUS, which is where the English word rapture comes from.
I'm glad to see your understanding is consistent with scripture. If you notice there is an information gap between the first and second resurrections. For instance, ( Revelation 11:12) describes the one hundred forty four thousand being called up to heaven. You would think that this is the only resurrection because the saints appear alone on Mount Olives with Jesus at the seventh trumpet. The thousand year reign on earth cannot house the many billions that make up the the dead in Christ. The second resurrection comprises the "whole house of Israel" as depicted in ( Ezekiel 37:1-14). This doesn't count the 108 billion soles that have ever lived. This is why the new heavens and earth come about, to accommodate everyone.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 marks the first resurrection, but its presentation is incomplete and confusing. Are there elements of both resurrections here? There's no doubt that at the final trumpet everyone is changed. Paul is saying that all believers rise, but is he talking about the saints/ 24 elders being resurrected; when he says "we", is he talking about his set? If this is the dead in Christ resurrection, where do all the risen go to manifest themselves in the afterlife. There is never any mention of the dead in heaven, other than the saints. Are these believers being held in a unique place, other than joining the saints and elders? Are details being withheld till a later time when we're able to process it. Anything written past the seventh trumpet has been made confusing, details are withheld. It's as if the two resurrections have something in common with the sealed up seven thunders.
It is clear that there are gaps in the resurrection time-line, and the story is presented in a manner that merges the two resurrections together. Ideally, the first resurrection is for the saints/elders, and the second is for everyone else. However, I couldn't wholeheartedly sign off on a theory for the mentioned reasons.
That's a fair analysis of the resurrections. If you dissect each resurrection you will find that the firstfruits, saints, do not stand in front of the great white throne. The saints are thrust through in the twinkling of an eye to heaven. It's as though they are fast tracked into service.
The participants of the second resurrection, namely all of us who are left, will stand in front of the great white throne for judgment, post millennium.
The distinction between resurrections is subtle but clear. The saints are a separate class of elite Christian's as opposed to the general, second resurrection population.
Thanks for your explanation, God bless the dividing of truth as we inch closer to home.
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