Bible Discussion Thread

what dose sancticationed mean

Why say "If a man love me ... my Father will love him" ( John 14:23a) if the Father loves everybody? Proverbs 8:17 says, "I love them that love Me." Psalm 5:5 says, "Thou hatest all workers of iniquity" Notice it doesn't say works of iniquity; it says workers. This verse alone is a flat out repudiation of the teaching that, God hates sin but loves the sinner. Scripture says that "God is angry with the wicked every day." ( Psalm 7:11) John 3:36 says, "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him" Can God "love" the one on whom His "wrath" abides? Finally, Romans 9:13 says, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Paul asks rhetorically, "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:14-15.

As for the verses you cite to suggest that I am violating God's "love" command, those verses are directed to the community of believers in Christ. What applies to believers does not apply to those who believe and promote a false gospel and serve the god of this world. That's why I said before that you are not my brother. Jesus told the Pharisees, "ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep." The tares and the wheat look alike until they produce fruit and are ready for harvest. The tares turn black and their fruit is poison; the wheat turns golden brown and its fruit is life sustaining. You and most people who identify as Christians are tares sown by Satan. Most people can't see the difference between the the wheat and tares because they look so much alike. It's been my experience that the tares hate the truth and openly resist it and they attack those who hold the truth in God's written word. This is how I know that you and your like-minded fellows on this site are tares full of hatred for the truth of Scripture and those who promote the gospel of grace.

Paul,

The word sanctification means set apart. It comes from the Greek word HAGIOS. The words sanctify, sanctification, Holy, and Saint all come from the same word, HAGIOS.

A saint is someone who has been set apart, sanctified (HAGIOS) for God's purposes. The term Holy Spirit describes what kind of Spirit He is. He is a Spirit that has been set apart from all other spirits.

If you want the truth in Scripture, Paul, don't waste your time looking up the Greek and Hebrew words for the meaning of Bible verses and the definition of English words. The KJV translators were superior scholars and were fluent in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. God promised that He would preserve His written word, and He used those 47 KJV translators to do just that. When you read or study Scripture, use a search engine and pull up Webster's 1828 dictionary to look up the definition of a word used in the KJV. Consulting Greek and Hebrew words only leads to conflict and confusion, and God is not the author of confusion. People who consult the Greek or Hebrew for the meaning of verses or the definitions of words are not Greek or Hebrew scholars and do not possess the knowledge to accurately translate the Greek and Hebrew words into English. The KJV translators already did that job more accurately than any of the wannabe translators ever could. Wisdom is justified of all her children Luke 7:35. Peace.

IMKane What is the definition of Wisdom?

Wisdom is the truth, knowledge, and fear of God found only in the written word of God.

IMKane This is an example of different meaning from concordance A .understanding B. to make wise C skill D reason or discretion E Heart F Craftiness subtilty G to become intelligent H meaning these all apply to different context and your telling me what difference does it make. We understand each other God bless

IMKane I won't deny that the kjv translators did a decent job in translation, that being said to make the statement that the knowledge of the original languages is nonsense is a little over the top considering the bible was originally written in greek hebrew and aramaic. Just looking at a concordance for greater understanding in the mind of what was meant helps me understand a lot of principles better. An example of research work is YESTERDAY WAS THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST SEPT 11th 3bc. Now some one can go outrageous I don't believe that get out of here, or look into it yourself with scripture and astronomy remember the star! which is the true science of the solar system then make up your own mind. But to sit back and say that can't be so isn't honest, biblically were supposed 1 Thessalonians 5 :21 Prove all things hold fast to that which is true. The Word of God is true so we prove or try all things against Gods word. In his Service

Why don't you do some research into the KJV translators? If you're fair minded, and your research is thorough, you'll walk back the statement, "the kjv translators did a decent job in translation." God used those 47 men to preserve His written word. Superlatives can't really describe the job that those men did. Preservation and inspiration are inextricably linked. Without preservation the Bible is little more than pseudepigrapha, apocrypha, or other sacred writings. "The writing of the Word of God by inspiration is no greater miracle than the miracle of its preservation." Jasper James Ray

Read my response/s to Jesse when they appear on this thread. Direct your questions or comments to that response/s first. Thank you.

IMKane I read your response very educational, which tells me that men like E.W. bullinger wasted their time and all the translators of the king james bible wasted there time when they added punctuation chapters and verses to the original text also the bible is an eastern book so knowing customs and language doesn't help in understanding a statement like a camel going through the eye of a needle, or what is a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes mean in the east. So if none of that helps someone understand scripture better we understand each other. In His Service

IMKane Isn't freedom of will and the privilege to believe what you want great, and not to judge.

IMKane,

You say that "People who consult the Greek or Hebrew for the meaning of verses or the definitions of words are not Greek or Hebrew scholars and do not possess the knowledge to accurately translate the Greek and Hebrew words into English." That is not true. There are many Greek and Hebrew scholars today who possess that knowledge.



How does consulting in the Greek and Hebrew lead to confusion? I have learned to read Greek, not just look up words, but I actually read Greek the same as I would pick up an English bible and read from it. It causes me no confusion. In fact, I find that it helps me tremendously in my understanding of what the English text is saying. For me, reading from the Textus Receptus is far greater than using search engines and dictionaries to get understanding. I find that most of the time I use a search engine to look up a verse, there are several pages that come up, and they don't all agree with each other. I would say that causes confusion!



If using search engines and a dictionary helps you understand scripture, then that's great for you. But others should have a right to learn the original languages if they so choose. The Greek has helped me. It is an exact language, unlike English and Hebrew, which are very general languages. When you have a very general language such as English, that's where the confusion comes in, and that's why we cannot agree with what the English text is saying, because English words can have multiple meanings. But not so with the Greek! It is an exact language, and I think the Lord knew what He was doing when He chose that language for the doctrinal section of the New Testament.

Personally, I think that that if it was required for every person going into the ministry to master the original languages, we wouldn't have so many denominational churches. So many churches are split today because they cannot agree with what the English bible is saying, and many of them do use the KJV. Go figure!

(cont) in the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible. Agape is a higher form of unconditional, Godly love and philia is a lesser form used for friendship or brotherly love. The ignorant criticize the KJV translators for translating "agape" simply as love. The truth is the Greek words agapao/agape and phileo/philia overlap in the manuscripts, and there's no discernible difference between the two in the Scripture. For example, 2 Samuel 13:15 says, "Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone." The problem is that both agapao and the cognate agape can refer to Amnon's incestuous rape of his half sister Tamar. Also, backslidden Demas who loves the world with agape love. "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica;" 2 Timothy 4:10. There's John 3:35 that says, "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand,"; later John 5:20 says, "For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth." The Father's love for the Son, which is without question the greatest love, is described as "agape love" in one instance and "phileo love" in the other, and by the same author, John. Houston, we have a problem. The point is there isn't a way to know what kind of love each of these Greek words is referring to in Scripture. Context is key. Bottom line, the Bible's been translated into English, and the 47 translators of the King James Bible did an inerrant, infallible job. You and today's scholars and translators, not so much. Knowing Greek is fine for reading and understanding Greek myths and literature, but not for reading and understanding Scripture, which is God's written word. One thing more, I don't care that you consult the Greek to study your Bible, but I do care when you imply or suggest that it's better to defer to the Greek to know the truth of Scripture.

IMKane I'm reading you contest your own argument interesting.

IMkane The love you gave as an example in 2 Samuel in regards to Amnon and tamar was human love which uncontrolled can go into lust which has nothing to do with agape or agapeo which is the Love of God. First usage is in the Gospels then you have phileo which means to be a friend, so if you want to twist this to suit your idea enjoy. Loving some one in the mind and human heart is human love i.e. phileo, friend, marriage. Loving with the love of God Agapeo is spiritual cannot be done unless born again. In His Service

You either didn't read what I wrote, or you need to work on comprehending what you read.

Whenever I feel like I know more than others, I will meditate on this verse:

Romans 1:22

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

God Bless.

When Christians with renewed minds study the Scripture and rightly divide it, they will learn things. And the more things they learn, the more they know. The problem I've encountered with most self-identified Christians on this site is they may read the Scripture, but they do not study it, and the few who do study it, don't rightly divide it. The Scripture is for reproof and correction in righteousness. As I see it, the self-identified Christian commenters on this site reject reproof and refuse correction. Scripture says a wise man accepts correction and is grateful when he receives it because he cares about truth. Maybe the reason you think that you don't know more than others is that you really don't know more than others. You know a fool can appear wise if he keeps his mouth shut. The problem for fools is they don't know that, so they open their mouths and remove all doubt. I began commenting on this site because I am compelled to share the truths that the Lord Jesus Christ has taught in the Scripture over the past 50 years. Although these truths are for everybody, they are not to everybody. They are to God's elect. "For many are called, but few are chosen." Matthew 22:14 KJV

A true witness of the grace of the Lord Jesus, will speak from their heart. It is what comes out of a man that defiles him. Not unlike a great scientist, his proof, is in his studies and experiments. If we strive to read and understand the eternal word of God, we will be blessed! The experiment comes when we become a witness of those things of God. When the soul the spirit has led you too, will be ready to hear what the spirit has to say! Not our will be done, but His! Even after our confrontation and proclamation, that soul may be saved along with others .

The things of God are past finding out! Even so ,we should try and know Him as He is! Growing in the Lord is a constant place for a true Christian. A Place that is the narrow way, once in that way, you may be surprised how He fast tracks those who love Him! This is the place Paul speaks of when He says now leaving the doctrines of Christ. "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God," Little places like these are the steps that are in the way. Watch and pray. Our redemption draws nigh! Repent and be baptized in the name of the Father ,the Son, the Holy spirit!

If you intended to write something spiritually enlightening and edifying, let me assure you that you didn't. When I need a guru, I'll join an ashram. Although you have a different gospel from the apostle Paul, you are right that our redemption draws nigh. If you ever do rightly divide the word of truth, you will come to understand that repentance and baptism were Kingdom Gospel requirements for the Jews, and that they are not requirements for Gentiles whose salvation is by grace through faith, plus NOTHING else. The problem that's pervasive among self-identified Christians is that most of them won't study God's written word, and of the few who actually do, they fail to rightly divide it.

I find what you said offensive and demeaning. You should memorize The Fruits of the Holy Spirit; brotherly love and Christian kindness.

Guess where I learned that? From this comment Room! Esteem others, better than yourself.

I have love and kindness for Christians, but for deceivers and charlatans or false accusers of the brethren, not so much. I understand that you're offended by the truth because the truth is often offensive to those who are offended by the truth. You wrote, "Esteem others, better than yourself." I'll be happy to comply with that when you explain to me how Jesus had esteemed the Pharisees and Scribes better than Himself when he called them hypocrites, serpents, and children of the Devil. While you're at it, please explain how Paul had esteemed Hymenaeus and Alexander better than himself when he handed them over to Satan so that they may learn not to blaspheme.

The strange doctrines we hear from others is nothing more than 'tripe of grandeur' that's been handed down from other reprobates. Still, I'm amused to death.

Your question should be directed at Jesus. He's the Word. Every Disciple was different; but the message was the Samein spirit.

The same applies to all of Jesus's believers; and those in this room every day.

Romans 13: 8-11

Hi MIshael Some people play loud instruments but aren't heard because its not in symphony with the rest of the orchestra.

You're right. In the company choir, they always put me between tenors, and alto's; because I sing harmony. I call myself the frog lol. It works, but I don't understand it. I just love Christmas songs.

Brother Mishael, Amen!!!

King David said the Lord was forever on his right hand! I hope He is forever on yours! If He is not , how could you be a king? Is this not what you are determined to be . A king? There are many who come and go . Hopefully when you leave, you will have learned something! We walk by faith, not by sight!

The promises to the body of Christ are heavenly, the promises to the bride of Christ, i.e., lost sheep of the house of Israel are earthly. To be a nation of kings and priests is promised is to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. You're right that we walk by faith and not by sight.

Bang on..

Dear Brother IMKane,

You stated: " The problem I've encountered with most self-identified Christians on this site is they may read the Scripture, but they do not study it, and the few who do study it, don't rightly divide it."

Aren't you making a broad brush stroke of judgment on some people here that you really don't even know? You don't know who studies, how they study, and how long they have studied the Bible etc. etc.

A very important scripture:

Matthew 7:1

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

You seem to me, to fancy yourself as a biblical Expert and Teacher. If so, I will share a few additional scripture that may help you along the way. Jesus and Moses were two of the greatest people who ever lived. Both were chosen by God to be distributors/teachers of His law.

Surely we should seek to be like these men.

Numbers 12:3

"(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)"

Matthew 11:29

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."

Lastly, I've only been on this site for a short time, but as far as I know, this is a Bible discussion site available to all people wishing to discuss Bible topics and to communicate and pray along with fellow Christians. There will be many disagreements regarding Bible interpretation, but most people here, including myself hope to increase our knowledge, and grow closer to God.

I pray that the scripture that I've shared with you will be helpful in some way to you.

God Bless.

Do you realize that when you accuse a person of judging others that you have become guilty of judging because you are judging the person whom you are accusing of judging others? I don't judge people's motives, but I do judge between right and wrong doctrine. "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. ... Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." Matthew 16:6,12 Many self-identified Christians misinterpret what Jesus said about judging and tell others that they should never judge. However when you read the verses in context, it's clear that Jesus meant hypocritical judging, which is why He said the person judging needs to clean up his own life before he is fit to judge others. In John 7:24, Jesus said to stop judging by appearances, and to make righteous judgments regarding God's laws instead. If we don't use Scripture to make judgments in matters of biblical doctrine and righteous living, then we will do whatever we think is right in our own eyes, which will lead to a reprobate mind.

One thing more, I am not your brother. If I were, you would have accepted the teachings and the truths I've shared in the Spirit that they were offered.

Dear brother IMKANE,

We are all sinners.God loves all of us! We are all brothers and sisters in Christ!

1 John 4:20

"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

Romans 12:10

"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;"

I love you, and I will pray for you my brother.

God Bless

IMKane My bible says in 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for DOCTRINE for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness. In His Service

Jesse, The crux of my argument is that the translating of the Scripture has been done by the 47 translators of the King James Bible. God's written word is preserved in the KJV. I also contend that today's Greek and Hebrew scholars do not possess the knowledge that the 47 KJV translators possessed when they translated the Greek and Hebrew words into English. Your "scholarship" in the Greek doesn't measure up to the scholarship possessed by any one of the 47 translators. In their time they were the best of the best. I seriously doubt that you would be considered among the best of the best, even by today's standards, in our time. You ask how looking up words in the Greek and Hebrews causes confusion when you have an example right in front of your face. We both gave definitions for sanctification; mine came from looking at the Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language and the English definition; yours came from looking at the Greek word HAGIOS and its definition in Greek. The definition I gave for the sanctification, you're not going to find in the Greek. But your definition, set apart, was the second definition in Webster's. I chose because because Scripture teaches that God does the sanctifying in believers. Another better example of the confusion created by consulting the Greek is the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 in the KJV. The ignorant argue that it's a mistranslation of the Greek word "pascha" and should it be translated as "passover." The Greek word "pascha" is used for both passover and Easter, so consulting the Greek offers no solution to question: Was Herod was referring to Easter in Acts 12:4 ort the Jewish passover? The answer is revealed in the Scripture. BTW, the KJV translators were right to translate pascha as Easter, and not as passover. Another problem for the smarter-by-half Greek geeks is the word love. The most common words for love in Greek are agape, eros, philia and storge, and philia and agape are the words that appear (cont)

Easter ,.. a pagan holiday of fertility,.. the word Easter in Acts , should actually be Passover , for in that time , they went by the solar calendar,.. on that first day of the spring equinox, they would count 15 days , then the 3 following days were the passova, then counted 7 sets of 50 days to make a calendar year , the first 50 after Passover was for Pentecost, then of course the next was September 29 th for the feast of tabernacles,.. they met 3 times a year,.. they didn't have Bibles , they would read from the scrolls,.. funny ? How now we go by moons ? So sorry, we as children of God , cannot even keep the sacred days right, an of course, there are many new versions of the KJB , an most , have been altered by certain people, to confuse people,.. hmmmm , wonder who's behind that. ?

Acts 12:1-4 says that King Herod killed James and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he had Peter arrested. Acts 12:3 says that Herod took Peter DURING the DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD intending to bring him forth to the people AFTER Easter.

According to the Old Testament, the DAY OF PASSOVER started the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD. "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread." ( Leviticus 23:5,6) The Day Of Passover began in the evening on the 14th day of the first month, and the Feast Of Unleavened Bread began on the 15th day of the same month.

Scripture is clear: the days of unleavened bread follow the Passover. "And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten." Numbers 28:16-17

Acts 12:3 says that Peter was arrested and imprisoned DURING the "days of unleavened bread", which means that the day of Passover had ALREADY occurred.

"Easter" could not have been Passover, because Passover always occurs BEFORE the days of unleavened bread. The Scripture says that the Passover had come and gone. Acts 12:4 says that Herod was "intending after Easter to bring him [Peter] forth to the people." According to Acts 12:1-4, Passover had occurred, but Easter had not yet occurred. Herod was waiting until after Easter had occurred to bring Peter forth to people.

Acts 12:1-4 clearly says that Herod had arrested and killed James during the Feast Of Unleavened Bread, which meant that the Passover had occurred. We know that James was taken and killed by Herod during the days of unleavened bread, and that Herod was planning to kill Peter after Easter, which had not come yet. Bottom line: the KJV translators got it right. Easter's correct, Passover's a mistranslation in ALL modern Bible versions.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Scholars , biblical and otherwise are sinners and will find the truth only in and th

Are you called by God?

Understanding it, when it happens can be difficult! When it happens, you will know it! Being at the right place at the right time is impossible to know! You see, it is the will of God, only He knows! Many call it being woke today! Only woke is not a calling from God. Woke is an idea, that you somehow can tell God what is right and needful for humanity! Living under the law! dictating His will for man. A very false calling and doctrine of failure! Without faith it is impossible to please Him. The laws of the universe, the promises of God through faith in Christ, is what it means to be woke! The new woke without the will of God, will bring only death and darkness!

Repent and be baptized

Hi Fred I disagree with the statement its impossible to know where to be and what to do, if you walk by the spirit, God can tell you where to Go what to do and how to do it, if your meek and humble enough, then you see deliverance His way. Psalms 103:7 He made his ways known unto Moses his acts known unto the children of Israel. A friend of mine backed my car up one day and hit a mint condition old cadillac with my car you could hear the crunch we were both sitting in my car.

He went back and saw the damage. At that time I wasn't well off financially so I told Him get in the car. he got in I sat there and thanked god for there to be no damage to the vehicles I heard its o.k. told the guy we're leaving he said what are we going to do about he damage I said it was fixed he called me a liar. He got out of the car went back to see came back and ask what just happened I told Him I prayed and God took care of it.

Dropped him off he thought he lost His mind I assured him he didn't if you believe God according to His Word He Works. He didn't believe nothing new In His Service