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  • IMKane
    In Galatians 2:7, Paul writes, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;"

    Paul seems to be saying there were two gospels. What's the difference between the gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision? Why were the two gospels separated, and why was Paul commissioned to preach the gospel of the uncircumcision and Peter commissioned to preach the gospel of the circumcision?
  • Alex - in Reply
    Hiya IMKane thank you for that interesting Question but there were not 2 gospels but 2 manner of ppl that same Gospel was sent to . It was just 1 gospel simply b/c it was 1 Spirit. By 1 Spirit are we ALL baptised into the body of Christ weather we be JEW or GENTILE BOND OR FREE ETC. 1 ST COR. 12:13 .It didnt matter to God if they were jew or gentile ,they both needed to be bornagain of that incorruptible seed etc. simply b/c Jew or Gentile they both carried that stain and spot of Adam. And the only remedy was the blood of that 1 lamb Christ Jesus. Neither circumcision nor uncirumcision but a new creature which is the H.G. THAT Child of Promise That is gona be born in us sinners. I.E not Jew or Gentile but a new creature which is the H.G. Our new heart and new spirit etc. Thats y there is no more jew or gentile we be new creatures in Christ Jesus. There was just 1 lamb for the whole world. Thus 1 gospel k
  • IMKane - in Reply
    It's Scripturally correct to say that there's only one gospel for this dispensation of grace. However, when Jesus walked the earth 2000 years ago, He was under the Law of Moses, and He preached and taught a kingdom gospel to the Jews, and so did His apostles. He did not teach the Samaritans or Gentiles, and neither did His apostles.

    Paul writes in Galatians 1:6-7, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ."

    Later in Galatians 2:7-9, Paul adds, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

    Clearly there was one gospel for the circumcision and another for the uncircumcision. What happened in the Galatian church is the members had mixed the two gospels because Messianic Jews from the church at Jerusalem had taught them the kingdom gospel and insisted that be circumcised and obey the Law of Moses to be saved. It was agreed upon by those in authority, i.e., Peter, James, and John, that Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, and that Peter was the apostle to the Jews.

    Scripture clearly teaches that there were two gospels. Scripture must be studied, not just read, and it must be rightly divided to understand the truth of God's written word. Paul says the Scripture is given for reproof and correction. What I find most troublesome these days is that far too many self-identified Christians refuse to accept correction once they have been corrected.
  • IMKane - in Reply
    To Mishael: According to Galatians, it was agreed that Peter was commissioned to minister to the Jews, i.e., the circumcision, and Paul was commissioned to minister to the Gentiles, the uncircumcision, right? Please cite the Scripture/s where the 12 apostles were anointed to minister to both Jews and Gentiles? Also, please cites the Scriptures stating that Paul had the background to understand all cultures he would encounter in his ministry, and that Jesus's original disciples traveled with Paul at times.
  • Rick - in Reply
    IMKane It was God who called Paul to the gentiles Acts 9:15 Long Before the Church at Jerusalem agreed.
  • IMKane - in Reply
    Paul was called to minister to the Gentiles in Acts 9, but he didn't go to them right away. He preached that Jesus was Lord and Christ to the Jews. After he regained his sight, Acts 9:20 says, "And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God." Later in Galatians 1:15-18, Paul writes, "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days." Got it?
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on Galatians 2:7 - in Reply
    Part II (Previous) Gospel of the kingdom

    Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Gospel Of The GRACE Of God =

    Gospel of the Uncircumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Galatians 6:15; Romans 4:9-11)

    Preached first by Paul, then his companions ( Acts 13:38-39; Acts 20:24; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:24)

    The Mystery Program for The Gentiles ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Colossians 1:25-27; Romans 16:25)

    The preaching of The Cross as Good News ( 1 Corinthians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4)

    Gospel to be believed = Christ's Work ( Romans 5:6 Romans 5:8 Romans 5:10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

    Salvation By GRACE Through faith plus nothing ( Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5; Titus 3:5)

    Justification by faith without works emphasized ( Romans 3:28; Romans 4:5,16; Galatians 2:16)

    Repentance as a synonym for faith ( Acts 17:30; Acts 20:21; Acts 26:20; Romans 2:4)

    Involves reconciliation to God and man ( Romans 5:10-11; Romans 11:15; 2 Corinthians 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:21)

    Covers Paul's letters Romans - Philemon (Also Acts 9-28)

    Not under the law ( Romans 5:20-21; Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:6)

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    IMKane, hope this was helpful answering your Great questions.

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!
  • IMKane - in Reply
    I appreciate your response. I'm still looking up and reading the verses you provided. Thank you for supplying the headings and compiling the verses.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on Galatians 2:7 - in Reply
    Precious friend, IMKane: "Paul seems to be saying there were TWO gospels." Yes, Biblically Correct! Note the following 'Dispensational' Differences Between God's TWO Gospels:

    Part I Gospel of the kingdom =

    Gospel of the circumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Acts 3:25-26; Genesis 17:9-14)

    Preached by John, Jesus, and the 12 ( Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35; Matthew 10:5-8)

    The Prophecy Program for the Jews ( Luke 1:32-33; Luke 3:19-26; Daniel 2:44; James 1:1)

    Preaching of The Cross as historical ( Acts 2:23,36; Acts 3:14-15; Acts 5:30)

    Gospel to be believed = Christ's Name ( Matthew 16:16; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13)

    Salvation by faith and water baptism ( Mark 1-4; Mark 16:16; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 2:38)

    Justification without works is dead ( James 2:17; James 2:20; James 2:24; James 2:26)

    Repentance emphasized along with faith ( Mark 1:15; Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19)

    Reconciliation not mentioned.

    Covers Matthew - Acts 8, then Tribulation ( Acts 3:19-21; Acts 8:12; Matthew 24:14)

    Under The Law ( Matthew 5:17; Matthew 8:4; Matthew 23:2-3)

    Good works will follow salvation ( Matthew 7:15-20; 1 John 2:3-5; 1 John 2:29; 1 John 3:7,10)

    Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Gospel Of GRACE

    to be continued...
  • Rick - in Reply
    IMKane The circumcision was under Judean law, children of Israel descendents of Abraham, the uncircumcision gentiles Pauls ministry.
  • Jesse - in Reply
    IMKane,

    It is the same gospel. The uncircumcision refers to the Gentiles, and the circumcision refers to the Jews. Peter was the apostle to the Jews, and Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. But they both preached the same gospel.
  • IMKane - in Reply
    What is that gospel? Please explain.
  • Rick - in Reply
    IMKane The Gospel or the good news consist of Everything God has done in his word to bring to pass the birth the ministry the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus christ so that fallen man could be redeemed and God would have the family He always wanted from the Beginning in Genesis. Jesus Christ is the main subject matter from Genesis 3:15 to Revelation 22:21. In His Service
  • IMKane - in Reply
    I'm having trouble finding a specific gospel in your response. Paul and Peter taught gospels to the Gentiles and Jews, respectively, right? So what exactly was that gospel message that Paul taught to the Gentiles; and what exactly was the gospel message that Peter taught to the Jews?
  • Rick - in Reply
    IMKane Everything that God accomplished by Jesus Christ is the gospel or good news, Peter the apostle was called of God to preach the Good news of what Jesus Christ accomplished to the Judeans or Israel Headquartered in Jerusalem. Paul was called by Jesus Christ to go preach and evangelize the gentiles the gospel or Good news.

    In galatians He was explaining Himself to the galatians because they were being talked out of there deliverance in Christ. When Paul went to Jerusalem he had to go up against Judeans who were born again but still walking under the old legalism of Judean law.

    They could not understand that Christ made them free from all the laws of the old testament and to walk by the spirit where the law is Love. Everyplace Paul taught the legalism boys followed right behind to talk people out of the freedom in Christ Jesus by faith. Thank God Paul got called because He listened and received the Revelation of the Mystery of the one Body of Jews and Gentiles the Church of God. To this day most believers don't understand there freedom in Christ Jesus by faith. In His Service
  • IMKane - in Reply
    What is Paul's gospel? Is it different from Peter's gospel? If so, what is the difference?
  • WHO GOD SENDS HIS DISCIPLES TO - in Reply
    Jesus was sent to the Jews first. As he said to the woman who said: even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from the table.

    The 12 Disciples followed Jesus.

    After Jesus ascended to Heaven, the Disciples went to the upper room to wait for the Day of Pentecost.

    After they received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they were now anointed to minister to Jews and Gentiles.

    Paul was sent, to the Gentiles. He had the background to understand all cultures he would encounter in his ministry. At times some of Jesus's original disciples traveled with Paul. Jews, Romans and Gentiles etc were being born again.

    No matter how modern organized religion attempts to separate and confine Jesus's Church; the Church will survive and thrive. There are missionaries all over this globe. Pray for them.

    Satellite TV is even used to spread the anointed gospel to every place on earth. God will not be confined to mankind's dictates on what He can and cannot do. If we wanted to help buy a receiver for a poor village, that would surely be blessed.

    This comment room exists to equip and grow up believers sent to the highways and byways (remote places). God does the anointing. He's using this format.

    If we become ICABOD due to excessive arguing and mixed up interpretations and attaching our own spin on scriptures:

    That's why we check our stuff against Commentaries. The Holy Spirit will peel off the flesh. As in, the Bema Seat which will burn up all the wood, hay and stubble.

    Teachers are held to a greater accountability. That's why we must keep the Holy Spirits presence in our prayer life and ministry.

    May the Lord bless and keep us close to His vest. May we be ready to be sent. Pray, Pray, Pray.

    When Elisha picked up Elijahs coat off the ground, what did he do with it?

    Hang it in a closet?

    Donate it to a museum?

    He picked it up, smote the water and walked over to the other side. He knew it was The Anointing of God. Do we know that?

    Mishael
  • IMKane - in Reply
    According to Galatians, it was agreed that Peter was commissioned to minister to the Jews, i.e., the circumcision, and Paul was commissioned to minister to the Gentiles, the uncircumcision, right? Please cite the Scripture/s where the 12 apostles were anointed to minister to both Jews and Gentiles? Also, please cites the Scriptures stating that Paul had the background to understand all cultures he would encounter in his ministry, and that Jesus's original disciples traveled with Paul at times. One thing more, did Jesus or any of His apostles ever teach that unity was more important than doctrine. The whole point of Paul's letter to the Galatians involved doctrine. Paul was angry because Jews who believed in Jesus Christ were teaching another gospel to the Galatians that was different from the gospel Paul had taught them.
  • Mishael - in Reply
    I've got a lot of things going on this week, but I'll try to write back soon. For me 9/11 is a day to remember. So was Yom Kippur, the day I met Jesus; 36 years ago.

    I study weird. I try to get a panoramic view sometimes, and will fast and read through many books to trace movements. I'm trying to organize notebooks too. They're everywhere.

    One of my favorite studies are the wars of Israel: thru Samuel, Kings and Chronicles. There's a harmony in ways.

    I think the 2nd longest study was on Esau: his history and ancestors; where they settled.

    When you study it, you understand better why the Mideast is always at war. Israel is such a tiny country. People could jog the width ever day if it was flat. There such ancestral hatred. The place of Armageddon. Amazing.

    I'm rambling.
  • IMKane - in Reply
    Yes, you are rambling. Try to stay focused, please. It's easier to communicate effectively when the discourse is focused.
  • WHO GOD SENDS HIS DISCIPLES TO - in Reply
    Jesus was sent to the Jews first. As he said to the woman who said: even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from the table.

    The 12 Disciples followed Jesus.

    After Jesus ascended to Heaven, the Disciples went to the upper room to wait for the Day of Pentecost.

    After they received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they were now anointed to minister to Jews and Gentiles.

    Paul was sent, to the Gentiles. He had the background to understand all cultures he would encounter in his ministry. At times some of Jesus's original disciples traveled with Paul. Jews, Romans and Gentiles etc were being born again.

    No matter how modern organized religion attempts to separate and confine Jesus's Church; the Church will survive and thrive. There are missionaries all over this globe. Pray for them.

    Satellite TV is even used to spread the anointed gospel to every place on earth. God will not be confined to mankind's dictates on what He can and cannot do. If we wanted to help buy a receiver for a poor village, that would surely be blessed.

    This comment room exists to equip and grow up believers sent to the highways and byways (remote places). God does the anointing. He's using this format.

    If we become ICABOD due to excessive arguing and mixed up interpretations and attaching our own spin on scriptures:

    That's why we check our stuff against Commentaries. The Holy Spirit will peel off the flesh. As in, the Bema Seat which will burn up all the wood, hay and stubble.

    Teachers are held to a greater accountability. That's why we must keep the Holy Spirits presence in our prayer life and ministry.

    May the Lord bless and keep us close to His vest. May we be ready to be sent. Pray, Pray, Pray.

    When Elisha picked up Elijahs coat off the ground, what did he do with it?

    Hang it in a closet?

    Donate it to a museum?

    He picked it up, smote the water and walked over to the other side. He knew it was The Anointing of God. Do we know that?

    Mishael



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