Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Rick Colombe on Matthew 26
    "The abomination of desolation sitting in the holy place". Could I ask for interpretation on this?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Hi Rick.

    I hold the view that this is a future event,

    Mid way through the tribulation period.



    Here's a Googled Discriptural outline.

    Abomination of desolation"[Notes 1] is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BCE Greek king Antiochus IV replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made.[1] In the 1st century CE it was taken up by the authors of the gospels in the context of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in the year 70,[2] with Mark giving Jesus a speech concerning the Second Coming,[3] Matthew 24:15-16 adding a reference to Daniel,[4] and Luke Luke 21:20-21 giving a description of the Roman armies ("But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies"); in all three it is likely that the authors had in mind a future eschatological (i.e., end-time) event, and the activities of the anti-Christ.

    ( Mid week tribulation. )

    Daniel 9:27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    This will be "LIKE" what happened by Greek king Antiochus IV. in 2nd century BCE.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    I know you believe I spiritalize every thing to much, but I believe that's were the real truth lies.

    Daniel 12:11 And from the TIME the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).

    I agree with you about the FIRST abomination in the temple (all physical).

    I BELIEVE, the SECOND time will be in the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE (within us).

    The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection.

    Isaiah 65:4 (This verse isn't LITERAL; like the first abomination, but a shadow of the second). Which remain among the graves (dead in trespasses), and lodge in monuments (we want to be a god in our flesh), which eat swine's flesh (instead of Christ flesh) (symbolic). and broth of abominable things IS IN their vessels (WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, we are the bowls (pots or vessels) on the alter).

    At the end of your comments you said the second abomination that makes desolate would be "LIKE" the first. I don't know whether you were saying the second would also be in a physical temple, or was

    like the first, being a shadow.

    1 Corinthians 15:46 First the natural, then the spiritual.

    Food for thought; the SPIRIT reveals.
  • English sacha - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Hi Earl , I have always thought that the abomination that maketh desolate is the thing that now stands on the site of the temple in Israel . I don't have any evidence for this , it's just the thing that came straight to my mind when I first read about it in Daniel .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Hi Earl.

    Abomination that maketh desolate.

    Your claim:

    ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP (both at the same time), there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days (42 months, the period of Christ ministry in the flesh, first coming).

    Your claim.

    The daily sacrifice was taken away (at the same time) and the abomination that maketh desolate (sinful flesh is enmity to Spirit) set up (at the SAME TIME); at Christ death and resurrection. "YOU SAY THAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION "

    Well Earl " ENTERTAINING" YOUR LOGIC, The flesh was crucified at the death of Christ. And the Spirit brought life at the resurrection. ( 3 days later )THAT'S NOT THE SAME TIME.

    and THAT WHAT MAKETH DESOLATE ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC WOULD BE THE SPIRIT. Since it entered the temple/our bodies after the flesh was crucified. This is your interpretation of Daniel 12:11. You claim it's all spiritual.

    Here's further proof why I can't accept your view on this. How do you fit these scriptures into your logic.

    Daniel 9:27. And "HE" SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR "ONE WEEK:" and in the midst of the week "HE" shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    And Jesus here:

    Matthew 24:15. When ye therefore shall "SEE" the abomination of desolation, SPOKEN of BY DANIEL THE PROPHET, "STAND" in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    How could this be speaking of Christ death and resurrection when Jesus lays out events, warnings and a promise of his coming immediately following in

    Mathew 24:16-51.

    This is why I say spiritualizing "ALL" the text you can "Attempt to make it say anything.
  • John - in Reply on Matthew 26
    John I've seen a lot of your comments that don't make any sense the spirit reveals That God is not the author of Confusion.
  • Rick Colombe - in Reply on Matthew 26
    correction: The abomination of desolation "standing" in the holy place spoken of by Daniel the prophet ". Thank you.
  • Glenn - in Reply on Matthew 26
    Lucifer, ( anti-Christ) in Jerusalem claiming to be Jesus



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