Bible Discussion Thread

  • Toxic on Luke 21
    7/29/2021 I'm just curious- When Jesus talked about all those scary things happening in the end days, was He talking about those things happening nowadays (20th/21st Century) or was He talking about those things happening sometime closer to after He was crucified/resurrected/ascended???

    I always thought that Luke 21 was for future readers (us) but some of those things already happened years ago.

    The world as we know it, is sliding down on a greased pole into hell.

    How much of Luke 21 is directed towards the believers that lived thousands of years ago and how much of it is directed towards us living in the here and now?????
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Luke 21

    Many believe in the seven years at the end times. Those seven years are taken from the seventy-week prophecy given to Daniel. My advice is to study.


    Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    Seven weeks + threescore and two weeks = 69 weeks this is when Messiah (Jesus) first comes, when He is baptized. The next verse tells us the Messiah is cut off (crucified) after 62 weeks, this was when the restoration and repairing of the walls, streets, and gates of the city of Jerusalem by Ezra and Nehemiah ( Nehemiah 2:8-17; 4:17). Troublous times when their enemies tried to stop the building ( Nehemiah 4:7) the first 7 weeks. We know Jesus' ministry was 3.5 years.

    This is 3.5 years past 69 weeks so that puts Jesus' crucifixion in the middle of the seventieth week.

    I posted a 3-part post on this a few weeks past may you can pull it up and may it help you study this. Not all of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, what Jesus is saying is about end times.

    Jesus did cover part about end times but some was telling His Apostles which we see in Mark there were only four, what they were going to have to face before the destruction of the temple. What Jesus said at first before they ask Him, not one stone would be left on top of another.

    There was much of what Jesus said happened before the temple was destroyed, Wars, earthquakes, famines, false prophets, check out Simon in Acts 8, and there were more. The apostles were put in prison, beaten, and killed.

    The main fact, if sixty-nine and one-half weeks is shown in scripture that has already past, you cannot put a full week at end times.

  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 21

    Number one and number three in my previous post should both say three and one-half years. This has happened to me before where I've typed in the correct number but when I hit the submit button, it changes what I typed. But anyway, this seven year period is divided into two three and a half year periods. The entire seven years is known as the tribulation period. The last three and a half years are known as the Great Tribulation.
  • Jesse - in Reply

    In order to better understand the end times, you need to know that all prophecies concerning the last days are based upon Daniel 9:24-27, which presents the 70th week of Daniel. We have not reached the 70th week yet. 69 weeks have passed, but right now we are living in what is called "The time of the Gentiles" which began on April 6th, 32 A.D., the time of Christ's death on the cross. But once the church is removed from the earth, the 70th week (7 year period) will begin.

    The 70th Week of Daniel is divided into four sections:

    1)Pains of birth: first 3 years of the Tribulation. ( Matthew 24:4-14)

    2)Pivotal point: the mid-point of the Tribulation. ( Matthew 24:15)

    3)Perils of tribulation: the last 3 years of the Great Tribulation. ( Matthew 24:16-28)

    4)Promise of his coming: the Second Coming of Christ. ( Matthew 24:29-31)

    All end time prophecies are centered on the Jewish people. Matthew took his outline of the 70th week of Daniel from Mark chapter13 and they both recorded the Olivet discourse. The misunderstanding of the prophecies of the last days is based upon combining Luke's account with Matthew's and Mark's account as if they are the same message. They are not the same. So what happens is we read Matthew and Mark's account of the end time and they match with each other. But then we read Luke and that's where the confusion comes in, because they are not the same!

    Luke's version includes some of the same information only given at a different time, and covers different stages of the 70th Week of Daniel. For instance, In Luke 21:5-6, Jesus was still in the Temple area. And Luke 21:7 records different questions. When will these things be? What sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? Luke covers the first part of the pains of birth in Luke 21:8-11.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Luke 21
    HI Toxic.

    I personally keep my eyes on Israel as a time peace. and the Apostasy going on and decay spiritually world wide. I don't associate none of these viruses with anything in Revelation. But I see a condition of peoples heart looking similar to the heart of those during the times of Noah. During these troubling times it has no effect on the Lost. I'M NOT SAYING WE ENTERED THOSE DAYS TO COME. Let me make that clear! But what I am saying their hearts is already in this condition.

    Mathews 24:38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark.

    Noah preached 120 years while building the ark and all he could get saved out of that world was 8 souls. they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, Going on about everyday life like it is nothing happening' You would think this virus would bring fear upon people and make them consider their ways and turn to God. However a lot has been manifested during this pandemic. you sort of see a sifting going on.

    And that's in the Church!! The world is carrying on the way the world does, We commit fornication by bringing the world into the the Church and leave off worshipping in truth and in Spirit and start worshipping the work of our own hands! Our self created views and join to anyone that believe on them as well. Noah never left off building neither shall we, Can you imagine the mockery he endured?!!

    And that is why you see we're under so much attack when getting the Gospel out.

  • Gail Tate - in Reply on Luke 21
    Amen..and God said "Trust no man"
  • Dianne - in Reply on Luke 21
    S Spencer Something interesting about noahs time, can you imagine how many people were mocking him and thought he was nuts for telling them its going to rain and flood they must have thought he was crazy. The reason is because before that time it never rained on the face of the earth. Just things I think about also the word of God Says God closed the Ark and I'll bet when Crap hit the fan nobody could open it, I think the people were so wicked that if they would have gotten on the ark Noahs family would have been history.
  • Toxic - in Reply on Luke 21
    He was giving an overall understanding of how the world did work at that time and how it will get worse.

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