When I read and consider what the Bible says about it in 1 Corinthians 12:10 and 1 Cor 14:19, 1 Cor 14:5, I believe what Paul said. He already said it's not as important as prophesy, that not everyone has such a spiritual gift and that's ok, that it's only helpful if there's an interpreter, and that it's better to speak 5 intelligible words than ten thousand in a tongue.
I don't have the gift of tongues and if I attempted to do it, it would not be genuine. I have been in the presence of others who have done this and I knew them and unfortunately I felt they felt peer pressured into doing it and wasn't genuine. It was just gibberish and I thought it did more harm than good. Plus, there was no interpreter, so it was not done in according to scripture. No one understood it and it sounded fake. Based on what Paul wrote, I believe him and interpret this as a low priority that I shouldn't worry about. I also won't cast judgment on anyone else doing this who believes they are genuine. But in the cases I've seen this used it did not edify the church. God bless.
Adam Just to make one point the apostle paul made the statement I Corinthians 14:18, I will not deny how many times I've watched the confusion with this area of christianity, but when things are done in proper order it does Glorify God. That is all that's on my heart to say. God Bless. There's a great statement I learned a long time ago experience is no guarantee when it comes to truth especially when it comes to spiritual matters and I realise that statement can go both ways.
Yes, people can get confused about such topics. People can be deceived into believing and doing all kinds of things not supported by God's word. The Bible is clear and you asked a question and received an answer. God bless.
Why do you ask such a question dear sister? 1 Corintians 14.14
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What we see in churches today can not be the same! And on pentecost when the Holy Ghost was spilled over men. All languages was too hear in Jerusalem. Becouse Jesus died, and stand up from dead. And go thru the hevens, the earth, the under earth and now these dayes. He is the Only One King forever.
2 Corintians 5.17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
But is it a good thing too speak in tongues, and it is secrets with God.
1 Chorintians 14.2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
So in churches today when ppl who shouts out word that no one understand. Its more like that ppl who dont see Jesus jet. Get fear instead of peace, unfortunately and do a lot of harm in the society. Thats why we need order. We are free too do anything but not everything fits.
1 Chorintians 6.12. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
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1 Chorintians 14.17
Ill thank Jesus Christ too have this humbly understanding and give Him all the glory. Never forget that we all are body of Christ. And He is the Head. God bless you and yours.
Free I understand and respect your input, that being said why would the apostle Paul say in 1 Corinthians 14:8 to the entire Corinthian church that he thanked God he spoke in tongues more than ye all and why would God take the Time in His Word to the Church from Chapter 12 to the end of 14 what to do and not to do but that things are done decent and in order. Keep something in mind this guy was given direct orders by Jesus Christ to preach and instruct the Church Jews and Gentiles. I am not saying I have always witnessed these things being done correct far from. Example I went to an assembly invited by a friend and the preacher walked up to the pulpit picked up a phone and literally told the congregation he was getting His Message from God on what to say. My friend said what do you think I said not buying it God doesn't need a phone to talk to anybody. So again peacefully I say God Bless and I'm done with this.
Free P.S. I have personally eyewitnessed everything your talking about, that doesn't mean that everybody else who does it decent and in order are wrong. I am again ending this discussion prayerfully peacefully.
I'm with you Kenneth , maybe you have some English blood in you , we are mostly very private people , in person I am painfully shy and reserved , the only reason I can talk so freely on here is because if the anonymity , in my congregation women have their heads covered and their mouths closed , we have a weekly Bible class and for many decades women were not permitted to speak a word during it , we got a new presiding brother who decide to allow women to speak at our Bible class so I stopped going . The reason is because , on more than one occasion I have heard brethren say things that I believe we're wrong , in the past when this happened I couldn't say anything about it and this was very frustrating to me , however when we were aloud to speak I realised I just couldn't do it , even if a brother says something I think is wrong there is no way I'm going to embarrass him or myself by correcting him in front of our entire congregation , then I realised that one day I might do just that and that would be terrible for everyone . So I stopped going , basically because I don't trust myself and would never forgive myself for offending any of my congregation with my big stupid mouth . We don't have any one that speaks in tongues or shouts out during our services , we English are reserved to say the least and English Christians are the most reserved .
Kenneth There is really no reason for the anger displayed here it was just a question, so in keeping peace in the body I'm not discussing the subject area anymore. God Bless
I really wish I had known that you spoke in tongues before I responded to your request. If I had known before hand, I probably would not have responded. Right now I am feeling as though I took the bait.
Nevertheless, I responded to what you asked for, my understanding of scripture on speaking in tongues. I did not share my full understanding, and now I'm glad I didn't.
You've responded 4 times to my post and there are some things you said that spark my interest, and yet I'm not sure how to respond without you feeling as though I'm trying to argue, so it's probably best that I stay away from this one.
But just so you know, I think no differently of you because you speak in tongues. You are always respectful and I value our relationship in Christ.
Jesse In reply to what you said this is a commentary and it was only an open ended question, that being said does not change my agapeo for the brethren, and it certainly wasn't meant to be any kind of mind game. God Bless
This one's going to cause some strife I'm sure. But here is what I understand the bible to be teaching on tongues. First of all, the only verse in the bible that pinpoints the instruction on tongues is 1 Corinthians 14:22, and the only proper example of its use that is not in violation of 1 Corinthians 14:22 is found in Acts chapter 2 verses 1 through 13.
When the Holy Spirit fell on those in Acts chapter 2, they began to speak in tongues. Was that proof or evidence that they had the Holy Spirit, as some today teach? No, it was for a sign. It was a sign to those who heard it that the things they heard spoken were had to be from God because those that heard them speak in tongues (Known languages) knew that they had no way of knowing their native languages and dialect.
Acts chapter 2 is a perfect example of the proper use of tongues and it fits perfectly with 1 Corinthians 14:22. There are three facts to keep in mind about speaking in tongues. Number one, it is a known language. Number two, it is a sign. And number three, it is to unbelievers, not believers.
The "tongues" that are being taught today in our churches are not the tongues of the bible. What is happening in many charismatic churches today does not even come close to what took place when the Holy Spirit fell on the believers in Acts chapter 2, when they spoke in tongues.
Jesse Because I like you do not want any strife I'll I agree with most but not all of what you shared and i have heard equally intelligent teachers, say yea and nay. Thanks for the input.
Brother My intention as is yours is not for any kind of strife, I've known pastors who didn't then they got talking to other pastors who did then they did. so anybody responding please discuss don't argue. God Bless
Jesse I understood where it might go when I ask, the amusing part to me in my private prayer life I've been speaking tongues over 40 years and never do it out of order and know many other believers who also SIT. but I've seen this done by individuals that really raised an eyebrow so to speak. I look at it this way it's a manifestation or outward display of Holy Spirit, also first thing the apostles did Birthday of the church. Now I've seen these things done confusing and out of order but that's not Gods fault.
I don't have the gift of tongues and if I attempted to do it, it would not be genuine. I have been in the presence of others who have done this and I knew them and unfortunately I felt they felt peer pressured into doing it and wasn't genuine. It was just gibberish and I thought it did more harm than good. Plus, there was no interpreter, so it was not done in according to scripture. No one understood it and it sounded fake. Based on what Paul wrote, I believe him and interpret this as a low priority that I shouldn't worry about. I also won't cast judgment on anyone else doing this who believes they are genuine. But in the cases I've seen this used it did not edify the church. God bless.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What we see in churches today can not be the same! And on pentecost when the Holy Ghost was spilled over men. All languages was too hear in Jerusalem. Becouse Jesus died, and stand up from dead. And go thru the hevens, the earth, the under earth and now these dayes. He is the Only One King forever.
2 Corintians 5.17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
But is it a good thing too speak in tongues, and it is secrets with God.
1 Chorintians 14.2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
So in churches today when ppl who shouts out word that no one understand. Its more like that ppl who dont see Jesus jet. Get fear instead of peace, unfortunately and do a lot of harm in the society. Thats why we need order. We are free too do anything but not everything fits.
1 Chorintians 6.12. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
More} 1 Chorintians 14 4
1 Chorintians 14.12
1 Chorintians 14.17
Ill thank Jesus Christ too have this humbly understanding and give Him all the glory. Never forget that we all are body of Christ. And He is the Head. God bless you and yours.
I really wish I had known that you spoke in tongues before I responded to your request. If I had known before hand, I probably would not have responded. Right now I am feeling as though I took the bait.
Nevertheless, I responded to what you asked for, my understanding of scripture on speaking in tongues. I did not share my full understanding, and now I'm glad I didn't.
You've responded 4 times to my post and there are some things you said that spark my interest, and yet I'm not sure how to respond without you feeling as though I'm trying to argue, so it's probably best that I stay away from this one.
But just so you know, I think no differently of you because you speak in tongues. You are always respectful and I value our relationship in Christ.
This one's going to cause some strife I'm sure. But here is what I understand the bible to be teaching on tongues. First of all, the only verse in the bible that pinpoints the instruction on tongues is 1 Corinthians 14:22, and the only proper example of its use that is not in violation of 1 Corinthians 14:22 is found in Acts chapter 2 verses 1 through 13.
When the Holy Spirit fell on those in Acts chapter 2, they began to speak in tongues. Was that proof or evidence that they had the Holy Spirit, as some today teach? No, it was for a sign. It was a sign to those who heard it that the things they heard spoken were had to be from God because those that heard them speak in tongues (Known languages) knew that they had no way of knowing their native languages and dialect.
Acts chapter 2 is a perfect example of the proper use of tongues and it fits perfectly with 1 Corinthians 14:22. There are three facts to keep in mind about speaking in tongues. Number one, it is a known language. Number two, it is a sign. And number three, it is to unbelievers, not believers.
The "tongues" that are being taught today in our churches are not the tongues of the bible. What is happening in many charismatic churches today does not even come close to what took place when the Holy Spirit fell on the believers in Acts chapter 2, when they spoke in tongues.
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