Chris, you brought a biblical deep matter, it is not easy for us to speak about "Satan as an angel"in the mysterious times in the Garden of Eden and with the presence of Adam and Eve or the man and the woman,by the way, there was an Eternity in Eden before this current gap of 7 thousand years or 7 millenniums of this current world of Devil, in part already fulfilled,whose world the crafty Satan,or artful Devil,offered to JESUS in the temptation- Luke 4:v.5 to 8.Check it.
What you said is very very interesting, mainly about "war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?". When JESUS was tempted, the Devil knew that JESUS was the heir of GOD, Satan knew that HIS CURRENT DEVIL'S WORLD would be conquer by JESUS and His army or His people- Revelation 11:v.15 to 18 and chapter 12. In fact, Satan tryed to anticipate and deliver his kingdom to JESUS under his satanic condition, but JESUS rejected the Devil's offer, because JESUS had a strategy in His War against Satan. What did JESUS do?
He called the Devil to be near Him as one of the 12 apostles through the person of Jude Scariots. JESUS needed a betrayer among the 12 apostles. JESUS was and is Omniscient, JESUS knew that Judas was a devil, a demon- John 6:v.70- and JESUS ordened to give the bag of money to Jude-the demon-, he was a thief and did steal the money that was in the bag.
From this point ahead, all know what happened in the life of JESUS having Satan at his side, and to defeat him on the cross. God has his ways in this War against Satan, now remains the battle against the three unclean spirits like frogs that come out of the MOUTH of a satanic trinity in this current time, even from now on: Revelation 16:v.13 to 16.
Be careful and get ready because there will be a great spiritual battle day after day, from now on or in days to come.
""Was Satan a angel in the beginning and fought for God our fathers throne.
And thus there was a war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?""
You disrespectfully disregarded his question!! And used the opportunity to promote your beliefs. You've had your chance and will continue to have it, Let him have his, This question may mean something to him.
I believe the scripture actually says I will be ( LIKE ) the most high. here's scripture:
Isaiah 14:12-14. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."
Ezekiel 28:15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
We often quote it as Satan wanted to be God or dethrone God. But there is a significant difference here that may be applicable for us today.
You see God shares his glory with NO creative being.
"" Isaiah 42:8. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.""
"" Jeremiah 9:23. Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:""
2 Corinthians 10:17. But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Considering Satans fall -
Here I believe we also should examine ourselves to see what's behind our Motives.
Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.
Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.
Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).
From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).
Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....
Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.
Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).
Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.
Brother S Spencer, I have not found anywhere in scripture that describes the cherub as being anything other than flaming swords (the word of God) of fire and the glory of God.
Hi Earl , just going from memory without checking ,I thought those awesome creatures at the begining of Ezekiel were cherubim ? I haven't checked so I realise I may be mistaken .
Sister Sacha, they are cherubim. But are cherubim literal, or do they represent something. Are the four creatures before the throne in Revelation literal, or do they represent something. Are the twenty four elders in Revelation literal, or do the represent something. Is the lamb in Revelation literal, or does it represent something. Is the tree in Revelation literal or does it represent something. When Jesus was taken to the top of the mountain and shown all the kingdoms of the world, was it literal (is there literally a mountain on earth tall enough to see everything on earth, no, it represents something.
The kingdom of God is like a HIDDEN treasure, it's SPIRIT. HIDDEN
We are searching out the HIDDEN
You are BORN AGAIN BY THE WORD OF GOD
This searching and digging is what leads us to TRUTH; one spoonful at a time, like a baby being fed.
Hi Earl , I don't know why I think this , I've thought it for a long time and never told anyone before , I have always , from my first reading of it ,thought or felt I'm not sure , that the four awesome creatures at the begining of Ezekiel represented the four Gospels ,Matthew Mark Luke and John , it sounds a bit foolish now I say it out loud , I guess I mean that they represent the Word of God , the Gospel of the Kingdom . Also , I've always thought that when the devil showed Christ all the kingdoms of the world and their glory that Christ saw a vision of all the future kingdoms , the technological advances , the promiscuity , the materialism etc , a lot of the things that many people in this world call "fun" . I'm not saying I'm right about any of these things , they are just my musings ! Hope you didn't laugh too hard !
I agree, I don't think Lucifer was created perfect as far as "immune from Iniquity."
I believe his perfection is better described in verses 12 through 14.
He is described as if he's #1 in rank, or Complete for what he was created for.
""Thou sealest up the sum""
He also was ( THE ANOINTED CHERUB )
Ezekiel 28:12-13. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; THOU SEALEST UP THE SUM, full of wisdom, and PERFECT IN BEAUTY.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; EVERY PRECIOUS STONE WAS THY COVERING, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: THE WORKMANSHIP OF THY TABRETS AND OF THY PIPES WAS PREPARED IN THEE IN THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED.
THOU ART THE ANOINTED CHERUB THAT COVERED; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
THOU WAST PERFECT IN THY WAYS FROM THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee.
Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US, grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.
Job 26:13 By His SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, His hand hath FORMED the crooked serpent.
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God FORMED man of the dust of the ground....
Both the crooked serpent and man were FORMED, not created. You are not created in God's image until you are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh).
Psalms 104:39 Thou sendest forth thy spirit and they are created: and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.
You said: He is described AS IF (future tense)
I BELIEVE you are right.
I BELIEVE this is a PROPHESY of what we have been CREATED for; but until we depart this flesh iniquity is still found in us.
You are 100% correct when you say: "You (we, say I) are not created in God's image until you(we) are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh). EARL, what you said is PERFECT, YEAH, PERFECT. The ONLY ONE who was/is not born from Satan and in his image, THIS IS JESUS.
"The crooked serpent" (snake), in the expression or conception of the language it is a product of the earth: Genesis 1:v.24 - Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and CREEPING thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. The MYSTERY is how the Power worked in the process of production of this kind of living creatures. On the other hand, in the spiritual conceptions it is more easy to understand how they are produced among us.
You said: "and man were FORMED, not created". Yes, acccording Genesis 2:v.7 combined with Job 33:v.6. Gen.2:v.7 - 7 And the Lord God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. That said, it seems be more easy to understand why GOD said to Satan (not to a snake): thou art CURSED above all cattle, and above every beast of the field (the field is the world); upon thy belly (womb) shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: This DUST of the earth-I mean the men- has been the serpent's food until today through the procreation in all generations, and the World of the Devil has gotten until the current time.
JESUS said: John 3:v.5-6: 5 ... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 1:v.13 - 3 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Amen
Meditate in this: 1 Corinthians 15:v.47 - The first man is of the earth, earthy;...
And in this: 2Peter 2:v.12 - 12 But these, as natural BRUTE BEASTS, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And John the Baptist preached: ... He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all. John 3:v.31
Oseas consider this John 4:24, Gen 1: 26+27, lost spiritual connection after Gen.3:1-6, they did not physically die they spiritually lost connection to God. Before that time Adam had all dominion and power, gave it to Luke 4:5+6. Bought back by Jesus Christ Jn. 10:9+10. Adversary the thief, steel kill and destroy. Some things to consider by scripture in context to subject matter.
There are two kinds of man that were created by GOD: One is earthy, animal, even bestial or brut beast. Another is spiritual man, yeah, only this is really the man created in the image of GOD. Detail: Scriptures do not say GOD created "a man" as if was one, but many. Let us make man in OUR image ... many men. This work was reserved to realize in the sixth Day. Detail: One day with the Lord is as a thousand years- 2Peter 5:v.8.
You referred to John 10:v.9-10, and you said: "Adversary the thief, steal kill and destroy." Yes, All were destroyed and were lost. JESUS said He was sent specificaly to the lost sheep of Israel-Mt.15:24, but in John 10:v.16 He left clear the salvation was for the humankind. v.16 - And other sheep I have,which are not of this fold(the Gentiles): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
In my prior post for you I wrote: Two thousand years ago, the Word was made flesh-JESUS- and He came to create a new creature in GOD, the Father, through the new birth and saving what had been lost through Satan's usurpation of the God's creation; In fact, without JESUS, was not any thing made that was made. John the apostle said: Now are we the sons of God,and doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,when He shalld it appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is- 1John 3:2
If you see the Chronology and duration of biblical times, you will see or conclude that we are living in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh Day, that is the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ. Only now, in a moment very similar when GOD went to speak with Adam in Eden in the turn of Day, I mean, only now in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh, the man (men) will be made in the image of GOD. How will it be? JESUS explains in Luke 20:35-36.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
Oseas I respectfully disagree with your timelines and other views, you come across as angry when someone, disagrees with your point of view. So for me onto more profitable things. God Bless
Yes Chris better known as Lucifer and very high position of power and authority also He walked in the Garden of God Eden. Something else to keep in mind he was not this hideous beast, also the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it. look at Ezekiel 28:12-17 very descriptive of satan, king of tyrus is figure of speech, noticed perfect until iniquity was found in thee.
You made a wise comment about Lucifer in the Garden of Eden ( Isaiah 14:v.12-15) and according Ez.28:12 to 17.
Yes, you are right, the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. I agree. You are correct.
Yes, Eve and Adam, or the Man and the Woman, both were in the garden of Eden. Surely, as you said, "Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it." In fact was a Man, a Cherub, by analogy, a Man like the two angels which GOD sent to Sodoma and Gomorrah, never, but never, like a snake.
Oseas Man Garden of Eden 3 Part Being, First part Spirit Gen. 1:26+27 Look at Gospel of John 4:24. Second dust of the ground Gen. 2:7 3 Soul life man took first breath became living soul breathed into nostrils. Gen. 3 Fall of man spiritually lost connection with God no spirit still had body and soul. Now throughout old testament Spirit given to certain men i.e. moses, David, Noah, shown how to build ark, abraham Isaac Jacob and so on. Day of pentecost given to all who confess Romans 10:9+10 called in hebrews incorruptable seed also known as Holy Spirit Gods Gift, Displayed in full power by Only Begotten son Our saviour. This is what I gather from scripture.
Osseas you say it was a man in the garden I say I don't know because the bible doesn't say and I'm not going to guess. In 2 Peter 1:20 or 21 Gods word says the bible is of no private interpretation and the word private is ones own from the word idios, all other subject matters I,ll spitball on but when it comes to Gods word no. L know however Satan presented Himself was convincing enough to hold a conversation and break the only commandment God Gave her and adam.
All of us here are spinning like satellites around the Bible, which is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. The most important thing is to search for the GOD's Truth, many times it is hidden.
Two thousand years ago, the Word was made flesh-JESUS- and He came to create a new creature in GOD, the Father, through the new birth and saving what had been lost through Satan's usurpation of God's creation; In fact, without JESUS, was not any thing made that was made. John the apostle said: Now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is- 1John 3:v.2
What can we learn from the prophets,and from JESUS and His apostles?
JESUS in John 8:v.39-44: Dialogue between JESUS and the Jews:
39 -The Jews said unto JESUS,Abraham is our FATHER.Jesus saith unto them,If ye were Abraham's children(IF???),ye would do the works of Abraham.40 But now ye seek to kill me, ...(For JESUS the Jews were not Abraham's children)
41-The Jews said to JESUS:We be not born of fornication;we have one FATHER even GOD.
42 -Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER(IF?),ye would love me:
43 -Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 -Ye are of your FATHER the Devil, ...
45 -And because I tell you the truth,ye believe me not.
John the Apostle said:This is the message that ye HEARD from the beginning(yeah,we have heard from JESUS, the beginning),that we should love one another.Not as Cain,who was of that Wicked One (the Devil,Satan),and slew his brother. (Cain was the FIRST son of the woman-Eve.He belonged to Devil. But the woman-Eve-said; Genesis 4:v1- I have gotten a man from the Lord.
The woman-Eve-had been deceived by the Devil;She spoke lie when she said that had Cain from the Lord,instead to say from the Devil.
That said, John REALLY said Truth, the woman-Eve-not.
Well, the ONLY ONE who was not born of the Devil was/is JESUS.
Oseas Its your right to believe what you believe I know we were born dead in trespasses and sins but that does not mean all mankind except for Jesus Christ was born of the Devil, I will gracefully end this discussion here thank you.
And thus there was a war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?
Greetings in Christ JESUS,
Chris, you brought a biblical deep matter, it is not easy for us to speak about "Satan as an angel"in the mysterious times in the Garden of Eden and with the presence of Adam and Eve or the man and the woman,by the way, there was an Eternity in Eden before this current gap of 7 thousand years or 7 millenniums of this current world of Devil, in part already fulfilled,whose world the crafty Satan,or artful Devil,offered to JESUS in the temptation- Luke 4:v.5 to 8.Check it.
What you said is very very interesting, mainly about "war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?". When JESUS was tempted, the Devil knew that JESUS was the heir of GOD, Satan knew that HIS CURRENT DEVIL'S WORLD would be conquer by JESUS and His army or His people- Revelation 11:v.15 to 18 and chapter 12. In fact, Satan tryed to anticipate and deliver his kingdom to JESUS under his satanic condition, but JESUS rejected the Devil's offer, because JESUS had a strategy in His War against Satan. What did JESUS do?
He called the Devil to be near Him as one of the 12 apostles through the person of Jude Scariots. JESUS needed a betrayer among the 12 apostles. JESUS was and is Omniscient, JESUS knew that Judas was a devil, a demon- John 6:v.70- and JESUS ordened to give the bag of money to Jude-the demon-, he was a thief and did steal the money that was in the bag.
From this point ahead, all know what happened in the life of JESUS having Satan at his side, and to defeat him on the cross. God has his ways in this War against Satan, now remains the battle against the three unclean spirits like frogs that come out of the MOUTH of a satanic trinity in this current time, even from now on: Revelation 16:v.13 to 16.
Be careful and get ready because there will be a great spiritual battle day after day, from now on or in days to come.
Please answer the question Chris asked.
""Was Satan a angel in the beginning and fought for God our fathers throne.
And thus there was a war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?""
You disrespectfully disregarded his question!! And used the opportunity to promote your beliefs. You've had your chance and will continue to have it, Let him have his, This question may mean something to him.
God bless.
I believe the scripture actually says I will be ( LIKE ) the most high. here's scripture:
Isaiah 14:12-14. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; "I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH."
Ezekiel 28:15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
We often quote it as Satan wanted to be God or dethrone God. But there is a significant difference here that may be applicable for us today.
You see God shares his glory with NO creative being.
"" Isaiah 42:8. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.""
"" Jeremiah 9:23. Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:""
2 Corinthians 10:17. But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Considering Satans fall -
Here I believe we also should examine ourselves to see what's behind our Motives.
God bless.
Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.
Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).
From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).
Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....
Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.
Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).
Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.
Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.
I did it again!! maybe I should spell it.
The perfection is described in verses twelve through fourteen.
Gb.
Correction. I meant to say His perfection is described in verses 12 through 14.
God bless, and goodnight.
I will reach out to you with a response later. It's going to be a long work day today.
God bless.
The kingdom of God is like a HIDDEN treasure, it's SPIRIT. HIDDEN
We are searching out the HIDDEN
You are BORN AGAIN BY THE WORD OF GOD
This searching and digging is what leads us to TRUTH; one spoonful at a time, like a baby being fed.
I agree, I don't think Lucifer was created perfect as far as "immune from Iniquity."
I believe his perfection is better described in verses 12 through 14.
He is described as if he's #1 in rank, or Complete for what he was created for.
""Thou sealest up the sum""
He also was ( THE ANOINTED CHERUB )
Ezekiel 28:12-13. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; THOU SEALEST UP THE SUM, full of wisdom, and PERFECT IN BEAUTY.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; EVERY PRECIOUS STONE WAS THY COVERING, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: THE WORKMANSHIP OF THY TABRETS AND OF THY PIPES WAS PREPARED IN THEE IN THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED.
THOU ART THE ANOINTED CHERUB THAT COVERED; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
THOU WAST PERFECT IN THY WAYS FROM THE DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee.
God bless.
Job 26:13 By His SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, His hand hath FORMED the crooked serpent.
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God FORMED man of the dust of the ground....
Both the crooked serpent and man were FORMED, not created. You are not created in God's image until you are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh).
Psalms 104:39 Thou sendest forth thy spirit and they are created: and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.
You said: He is described AS IF (future tense)
I BELIEVE you are right.
I BELIEVE this is a PROPHESY of what we have been CREATED for; but until we depart this flesh iniquity is still found in us.
Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.
You are 100% correct when you say: "You (we, say I) are not created in God's image until you(we) are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh). EARL, what you said is PERFECT, YEAH, PERFECT. The ONLY ONE who was/is not born from Satan and in his image, THIS IS JESUS.
"The crooked serpent" (snake), in the expression or conception of the language it is a product of the earth: Genesis 1:v.24 - Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and CREEPING thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. The MYSTERY is how the Power worked in the process of production of this kind of living creatures. On the other hand, in the spiritual conceptions it is more easy to understand how they are produced among us.
You said: "and man were FORMED, not created". Yes, acccording Genesis 2:v.7 combined with Job 33:v.6. Gen.2:v.7 - 7 And the Lord God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. That said, it seems be more easy to understand why GOD said to Satan (not to a snake): thou art CURSED above all cattle, and above every beast of the field (the field is the world); upon thy belly (womb) shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: This DUST of the earth-I mean the men- has been the serpent's food until today through the procreation in all generations, and the World of the Devil has gotten until the current time.
JESUS said: John 3:v.5-6: 5 ... Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 1:v.13 - 3 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Amen
Genesis 1:27
James 3.:9
We are made in the image of God.
We are formed in the image.
Meditate in this: 1 Corinthians 15:v.47 - The first man is of the earth, earthy;...
And in this: 2Peter 2:v.12 - 12 But these, as natural BRUTE BEASTS, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And John the Baptist preached: ... He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from above is above all. John 3:v.31
Greetings
In fact the matter is profound.
There are two kinds of man that were created by GOD: One is earthy, animal, even bestial or brut beast. Another is spiritual man, yeah, only this is really the man created in the image of GOD. Detail: Scriptures do not say GOD created "a man" as if was one, but many. Let us make man in OUR image ... many men. This work was reserved to realize in the sixth Day. Detail: One day with the Lord is as a thousand years- 2Peter 5:v.8.
You referred to John 10:v.9-10, and you said: "Adversary the thief, steal kill and destroy." Yes, All were destroyed and were lost. JESUS said He was sent specificaly to the lost sheep of Israel-Mt.15:24, but in John 10:v.16 He left clear the salvation was for the humankind. v.16 - And other sheep I have,which are not of this fold(the Gentiles): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
In my prior post for you I wrote: Two thousand years ago, the Word was made flesh-JESUS- and He came to create a new creature in GOD, the Father, through the new birth and saving what had been lost through Satan's usurpation of the God's creation; In fact, without JESUS, was not any thing made that was made. John the apostle said: Now are we the sons of God,and doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,when He shalld it appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is- 1John 3:2
If you see the Chronology and duration of biblical times, you will see or conclude that we are living in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh Day, that is the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ. Only now, in a moment very similar when GOD went to speak with Adam in Eden in the turn of Day, I mean, only now in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh, the man (men) will be made in the image of GOD. How will it be? JESUS explains in Luke 20:35-36.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
You made a wise comment about Lucifer in the Garden of Eden ( Isaiah 14:v.12-15) and according Ez.28:12 to 17.
Yes, you are right, the serpent description is a figure of speech for how sly he operates. I agree. You are correct.
Yes, Eve and Adam, or the Man and the Woman, both were in the garden of Eden. Surely, as you said, "Would Eve be so stupid to converse with a hideous beast or snake, not buying it." In fact was a Man, a Cherub, by analogy, a Man like the two angels which GOD sent to Sodoma and Gomorrah, never, but never, like a snake.
God bless
I'm going to take your answer to the cherubim to another thread, Hopefully I will see you there, Because Chris who have started this thread asked:
"Was Satan a angel in the beginning and fought for God our fathers throne.
And thus there was a war between Jesus and Satan for the glory?"
We've walked all over him, It's amazing the question went unanswered for about 8 hours while you guys was pitching your views on another thread.
Greetings
All of us here are spinning like satellites around the Bible, which is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. The most important thing is to search for the GOD's Truth, many times it is hidden.
Two thousand years ago, the Word was made flesh-JESUS- and He came to create a new creature in GOD, the Father, through the new birth and saving what had been lost through Satan's usurpation of God's creation; In fact, without JESUS, was not any thing made that was made. John the apostle said: Now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is- 1John 3:v.2
What can we learn from the prophets,and from JESUS and His apostles?
JESUS in John 8:v.39-44: Dialogue between JESUS and the Jews:
39 -The Jews said unto JESUS,Abraham is our FATHER.Jesus saith unto them,If ye were Abraham's children(IF???),ye would do the works of Abraham.40 But now ye seek to kill me, ...(For JESUS the Jews were not Abraham's children)
41-The Jews said to JESUS:We be not born of fornication;we have one FATHER even GOD.
42 -Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER(IF?),ye would love me:
43 -Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 -Ye are of your FATHER the Devil, ...
45 -And because I tell you the truth,ye believe me not.
John the Apostle said:This is the message that ye HEARD from the beginning(yeah,we have heard from JESUS, the beginning),that we should love one another.Not as Cain,who was of that Wicked One (the Devil,Satan),and slew his brother. (Cain was the FIRST son of the woman-Eve.He belonged to Devil. But the woman-Eve-said; Genesis 4:v1- I have gotten a man from the Lord.
The woman-Eve-had been deceived by the Devil;She spoke lie when she said that had Cain from the Lord,instead to say from the Devil.
That said, John REALLY said Truth, the woman-Eve-not.
Well, the ONLY ONE who was not born of the Devil was/is JESUS.
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